How can this level of rhetoric be winning over millions of people?

this, Trump is clearly channelling his inner Homer.
>rape accusation at the height of his presidential campaign
hmm...

I think the accusation itself surfaced before the campaign.

>"If I don't call these people 'dumbfuck racist/sexist dinosaur rednecks' 24/7, they could actually be really useful in winning an election."
What makes me flabbergasted is that this counts as genius by American standards.

Clearly this 'left' thing musn't be the Party of Reason™, as they think bullying people will get them to vote for them, for some reason.

He was rumored for a long time, women came forward since he was with this fellow named Epstein Bill Clinton hung out with. Turns out to be a massive pedophile who gave minors to rich men, and people have rightly shat all over Bill for hanging with this degenerate.

However, interestingly enough.

Trump hung out with him more than Bill, and came to his parties. And he was in Epstein's black book of emergency contacts.

The thing is outside of America people dont understand how this isnt the reverse. Why isnt Hillary the last resort, it makes no sense.

I just want this election to be over. I don't care who I call my president at this juncture.

I think it's more like the left is trying to shame these people or guilt trip them into voting for the smart, correct candidate or not voting at all. Either that, or they really are stupid enough to think that calling a group of people "retarded rednecks" won't somehow backfire.

Because we'd rather have a guy who's not a good public speaker than someone who's achieved peak levels of corruption.

This honestly should have been Clinton's ideal situation. A female presidential candidate facing off against Donald Trump. It's almost incredible how she managed to fuck it up by being so deceitful and corrupt.

But that's kind of what they are since they voted Ronald Reagan in twice, Nixon in once, and George W. Bush and his son in.

Same. This shit is ridiculous. Maybe a better candidate will have a chance next time. Hopefully, it isn't Gary Johnson.

...

I mean, yeah, they are fucking retarded, but I don't think they should publicly be shamed by an actual pesidential candidate. That was retarded on Clinton's part. She just guaranteed some undecided voters for Trump.

(With her "basket of deplorables" comment.)

This election is fucking stupid

Well if I'm going to have to choose between kiddy fiddler A and kiddy fiddler B I will choose the one that will MAGA(TM)

nice litarature thread

No doubt, man. No doubt. I'd feel eorse about it if the president had much real power beyond being a figurehead.

>*worse

Because Clinton = 'The Establishment' / the status quo. Trump's presented himself as the anti-establishment / change candidate, and given that significant parts of the US population think their lives are in decline that's bound to be a good move.

>Trump's presented himself as the anti-establishment / change candidate
He was a real estate mogul in New York and a reality TV star

Those are literally the only two things faker than a politician

>this much reductionism
it's not that simple user.

It is

How did we go from this

What's your take on it, then?

This is still an insightful text, recommended reading:
morecrows.wordpress.com/2016/05/10/unnecessariat/

It's a bit about trump but more about the rise of a whole slice of society that doesn't have a future and knows this - this explains part of the European rise of the right, too

To this

If you dismiss the concerns of the middle class in favor of social ideology for years, you shouldn't be surprised when they start voting for candidates that at the very least claim to care about them.

Keep insulting the intelligence of those who vote differently than you though. It sure worked out for Remain voters.

Now this is charisma.

>If you dismiss the concerns of the middle class in favor of social ideology for years, you shouldn't be surprised when they start voting for candidates that at the very least claim to care about them.

Except Trump doesn't give a fuck about these people and has shown such his whole entire life.

He cares less than Romney

>Keep insulting the intelligence of those who vote differently than you though
Lots of them are legitimately very stupid, though. And it's totally fine for individuals to call them absolute knuckleheaded idiots on an internet forum. It's just a really bad idea for politicians and the media to do it.

Most conversations in real life are similarly "dumb". Lots of pauses and repetition. It's what happens when you talk off the cuff and don't have a scripted speech. Trump's scripted speeches are at a bit higher level than your image.

But people like Trump because he has a genuine quality to his speech, it's that un-scripted quality that lures people in.

>But people like Trump because he has a genuine quality to his speech, it's that un-scripted quality that lures people in.

He is the sketchiest mother fucking alive competing with the sketchiest mother fucker alive but I like him more because he talks like he has cerebral palsy

Pure cult of personality plus repeating their pre-existing fears and fantasies back to them. The quality of the rhetoric doesn't matter- in fact, it probably helps that it's unpolished and basically shit, because that's how uneducated people speak.

This type of behavior is common for young college students and liberals. If you dismiss the things that the middle class care about as unimportant, then the natural conclusion is to believe that their stupid for having those cares.

Not only is it damaging to the culture as a whole, it's damaging to yourself as an individual. There's nothing beneficial about misanthropy.

they're*

>If you dismiss the things that the middle class care about as unimportant, then the natural conclusion is to believe that their stupid for having those cares.

What does the middle class care about that Trump will give them. He is going to make it worse. He's no better than Clinton. The only thing I can say that makes him worse is he wants to get rid of the fucking EPA and leave the Paris Climate Agreement.

This. After getting "cucked" their whole life by the establishment, they cling to anything that makes them feel "strong". Can't get outdone too hard by Your Guy, because then the you appear weak again.

Are you saying there aren't lots of very stupid people voting for Trump?

Because he nominally supports things many Americans agree with, namely, a reduction in foreign wars, protectionism for working-class jobs, and an end to third-world immigration. Most Americans know that the government ignores their vote and serves ruling-class interests, so when someone comes along and appears to even nominally care about them, they vote for him. The media and ruling class basically circling the wagons around Hillary only gives them more evidence that they are doing the right thing by voting for Trump, because if the establishment is scared, Trump must be doing something right.

There is also the racial angle, where a lot of white Americans think they are oppressed by minorities and want Trump to put them in their place.

>Because he nominally supports things many Americans agree with, namely, a reduction in foreign wars, protectionism for working-class jobs, and an end to third-world immigration

He basically won't do any of this if elected. He's in there for the long term financial connections and future lobbying power on an international level.

Murrican use of 'middle class' confuses the hell out of me. In the UK 'middle class' refers to the middle of society, i.e. richer than the working class, not the aristocracy. This group would include a large majority of 'young college students and liberals'.

That's not very relevant to whether or not he convinces people.

And whether or not he convinces people is even more irrelevant.

I'm saying that you should become more self-aware and stop thinking of others as being stupid or intelligent. Human beings are complex and it betrays a delusion to believe you can divide humanity into a few easy categories. It's intellectually lazy as well.

Nobody really knows what either candidate will do. People know not to ever take a candidates promises seriously. Saying he's no better than Clinton is irrelevant because he's definitely no worse either.

I'm using it vaguely and half-incorrectly. It's more or less the same over here but we typically don't separate white collar and blue collar workers quite as much.

I know, but Americans reason that even someone who nominally supports those things is better than Hillary, who is outright in favor of more "free trade", more foreign wars, and more third-world immigration. Historically, Presidents tend to actually carry out at least some of their platform.

I think what should actually be of concern is what happens when Trump inevitably turns out to be an opportunist and doesn't live up to the expectations that Americans have for him. They will learn that they need to keep voting for farther-and-farther right parties until someone stops the immigration.

>2016
>voting
America has been a judeofreemasonic nation since the beginning. Look up the jewish involvement in revolutionary war. Your nation is a tool to spread jewish economics, wars, and ideologies to the world. The anglos and the germans, since the protestant reformation, have been dumb and gullible enough, but they weren't strong enough due to the lack of natural resource. So when a bunch of these two dumb cuck races immigrated to this land, the jews came along and made them their minions.

America is the end goal of the euro-satanic age of enlightenment. If the age of enlightenment and america didn't happen, world wars, communism, and third world overpopulation wouldn't happen. Don't expect a great leader that would fix this shithole, only a few dozens of thermonuclear warheads can clean this mess of a nation.

>Nobody really knows what either candidate will do. People know not to ever take a candidates promises seriously. Saying he's no better than Clinton is irrelevant because he's definitely no worse either.

Except it is transparently obvious what he's doing because he hasn't kept consistent since the beginning of his campaign on what he wants to do in his ear bleeding speeches

"I want to leave Iraq! Never should have been there!"

"We need to bomb the shit out of ISIS! Saddam was so good, we need to go back and finish the job"

>America is the end goal of the euro-satanic age of enlightenment

wew

>Except Trump doesn't give a fuck about these people and has shown such his whole entire life

And yet he's now managed to convince them that he does, which is what counts. If you spend years giving people the impression you don't give a shit about them, and then completely turn that around, your powers of persuasion are undoubtedly praiseworthy.

Well, quite. That's the point.

>But people like Trump because he has a genuine quality to his speech

Or that he gives the impression. Both roads lead to Rome, or at least the White House.

What is this, a /pol/ tripfag on Veeky Forums?

Cult of personality and the retardation of following people like Alex Jones.

>And yet he's now managed to convince them that he does, which is what counts.

It doesn't fucking count at all. I keep seeing this argument.

It doesn't matter who he convinces. He's a fucking idiot and his business record is atrocious, given the power of decision making in this god forsaken corrupt world we live in, actual economic power.

The middle class is going to suffer.

You can convince anyone desperate to commit suicide. The convincing doesn't stop the suicide itself from being more relevant.

This is a decision worse than electing George W. Bush's son

Trump has popular and common sense opinions that hit on the very basic emotions of the American populace.

His speeches are basic, structured, and passionate. The way he speaks and acts shows how he is not a typical politician, perhaps a veteran (economic) commander. A politician would avoid gaffs and ramp up verbose convoluted speeches, instead he talks conversationally often unscripted giving him a genuine air.

He will win by a landslide in November. Stay mad kids.

>It doesn't matter who he convinces.

Electorally speaking, it does.

By definition, he's convincing voters.

>Trump has popular and common sense opinions

If he had an opinion you agreed with, he's changed it five times already.

As a Canadian I envy an option like trump.

How can someone look at the garbage happening all over Europe and say yes please.
At least Canada is only half foot in with the refugee shit so far.

But the future looks dark.

there are millions of stupid people voting Hillary too
a good 90% of the population is brain dead

When he changes position it is always for the better.

Really makes you think huh?

Does Trudeau actually want to import refugees?

I can say Canadian politics is one of those things that I pay zero attention to.

/pol/cucks are as gullible as anglocucks and germcucks. I think Hitler is one of the most overrated faggot ever lived. There's literally zero difference between Marx and Nietzsche, two pretentious poshlost piece of shits. Judaism is the grandmother of nationalism socialism.

Trump is a member of the bourgeois that shits on a gold toilet and proclaims to be for the proletariat.

Every election is stupid and farcical, and people eat it up and want more.

That's what I'm saying. The fact that he convinces voters isn't relevant. His policy is.

As far as I'm aware, he hasn't kept consistent on a single god damn policy position he's proposed, and the idea he's planning to expand his real estate business by getting global connections through the white house looks more likely by the day.

He didn't expect to win. He's rolling with it and spouting bullshit people might agree with.

This is troubling because he wants to cut our already poorly funded education, probably buckle and cut social security and medicare, somehow even increase our defense budget and go so far to commit more war crimes and torture detainees

For fucks sake's he said he wants to get rid of the Environmental Protection Agency

This is suicide

>When he changes position it is always for the better.

No it's usually for whatever is convenient to win back support temporarily enough to say something more ridiculous to distract from the previous ridiculous shit he said and then double back or double down on that rinse repeat

Until America has another Republican president it later looks at and wonders why the fuck we did that,

See, Nixon and water gate
George W Bush and the Gulf War
George W Bush Jr and being George W Bush Jr

>There's literally zero difference between Marx and Nietzsche

Good fucking god. Can we have a tripfag holocaust?

>The fact that he convinces voters isn't relevant. His policy is.

Er, it's both.

You can have the best damn policies out there, but if you aren't convincing then they're worth jack shit. If you can't sell them to people/voters, what's the point?

>He didn't expect to win.

Stupidest line I keep hearing.

the future exists for the right to seize
whether they'll actually do it or not I'm not certain but the leftist project and metanarrative is in collapse
2017 will be a huge year

Canada hand picks families to import, therefore you can look humanitarian and capitalize upon it politically while avoiding the real issues of the crises

theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/23/canada-syrian-refugee-resettlement-plan-no-single-men

>whether they'll actually do it or not I'm not certain but the leftist project and metanarrative is in collapse

You sound like someone who found underground intellectuals to back up why they voted for Ron Paul again in 2012

Well at least they acknowledge the risk instead of ignoring it like some leaders.

Trudeau is just a shit stain who will say absolutely anything as long as it's >51% popular.

Right now he is drinking all sorts of feminist/Muslim coolade, but the only silver lining is he talks about it 99%of the time and does almost nothing. But from the sound of Him he wants to suck Merkel's cock for tips.

My only hope is he's only in one term and not much happens.

Canadian politics is the most boring shit in earth and it's always emotional in the worst kind of way.

I believe it.
Everything is up for grabs because everything is on fire.

>marx: fuck the rich wheres muh, err..., OUR shekels?
>nietzsche: muh personal will, fuck god and afterlife
Both were extremely selfish.

How is Clinton deceitful and corrupt? Serious question, all we hear about here is Trump. Literally all I know about Hillary is that her emails got leaked, but I don't even know what was in them.

>You can have the best damn policies out there, but if you aren't convincing then they're worth jack shit. If you can't sell them to people/voters, what's the point?

The policy.

We can discuss how stupid American red states can be in their electoral choices and how they've damaged this country to hell in back since Reagan opening the flood gates to corruption, but it would be redundant.

This is not the primary, this is the general.

Trump's policy matters more than his convincing of unfortunate gullible people he's their savior.

>Stupidest line I keep hearing.

I'll find the source, but someone in the campaign already confirmed he basically believed he would lose and was more worried the American right would see him as just a shallow grasp at politics to expand his brand, and Republicans would capitalize on it.

It turns out Americans are fucking idiots.

>the leftist project and metanarrative is in collapse

That has been the case since 1991 and the collapse of actually existing socialism. There has been a continuous right-ward shift going on since the 80s.

This is so far our saving grace.

God you people are stupid

easy, americans aren't people

First of all, she is a compulsive liar. She lied repeatedly to the FBI about secure emails, and did nothing about it. She was under investigation over Whitewater for criminal land deals in Arkansas, and I am still not convinced the Vince Foster death wasnt at least encouraged by her. She constantly harps about womens rights, but has slandered and discarded the 15 or so of her husbands accusers. She voted for the Iraq war, she pushed her husband on Serbia, she was in the forefrom of Somalia. She has shown naked ambition with her New York senate run, she has just lied about her health at least 15 times before collapsing. Blumenthal was obviously encouraged by her on the birther issue. I mean, you can go on and on. She is immensely unpalatable, but hey, she lucked out going up against Trump. The latest DNC emails suggest "pay for play" ie buying govt offices, and the biggest donators to the clinton foundation are awful foreign governments like the UAE and Saudis.

Because he's obnoxious. Did you know that around half of Trump supporters don't even believe he can achieve his policy goals? Trump is going to be the very first American president who gets elected simply to piss off lefties. They became so smug, condescending and detached from the concerns of the working class that the country finally just snapped and blew the whole thing up. Next time I hope they and the Republican establishment will listen when somebody says they're worried about immigration

I feel like Trump is winning because only older people actually vote.

I'm not American
not really
the 30 year period following WW2 was an anomaly, not the norm

Basically she is Claire Underwood but with far far more power.

Another argument is that she was the guiding hand behind arming al-Nusra and ISIS originally, which seems to have been borne out.

Just YouTube "Hilary lying" or ", Hilary flip flop"

She is taking money from all the people she pretends to be against. Her emails exposed her as an incompetent secretary willing to kill on almost 0 information.
She was willing to destabilize whole countries user then as leverage. Basically created Isis and the immigrant crisis. Recent developments might even involve Obama in the whole fiasco.

She's literally stroking out semi regularly
And look into Clinton administration pay to play scandal where her group took money to get face time with her as Secretary.

She opposed gay marriage until it was politically convenient to flip.

Go watch Obama's speeches from when he was running against her, they are all in YouTube

There's literally too much

>First of all, she is a compulsive liar
Wow, so is Trump

>e lied repeatedly to the FBI about secure emails, and did nothing about it.

Do you know who else lied and took advantage of authorities to get better deals. Oh shit, dude, I totally missed it.

It's Trump.

>She was under investigation over Whitewater for criminal land deals in Arkansas, and I am still not convinced the Vince Foster death wasnt at least encouraged by her

Sketchy dealings and potential death? Woah dude, it's Trump again. Who associated with people in the mob and lawyers who defended fucking Senator McCarthy

>but has slandered and discarded the 15 or so of her husbands accusers

Marriage infeledity? Trump has this in the bag oh shit

>She has shown naked ambition with her New York senate run, she has just lied about her health at least 15 times before collapsing

Naked Ambition? Trump. Lying about your health? Trump

I could fucking go on.

They
Are
Both
Shitty
As
Hell
Candidates

Stop praising one over the other

>Just YouTube "Hilary lying" or ", Hilary flip flop"

Yeah, unfortunately

youtube.com/watch?v=kSE-XoVKaXg

He asked why Clinton was was corrupt you retard. And she is. Just because Trump is too doesnt mean giving her a pass.

Also, I am not convinced that Trump initially ran to boost ratings.

*didnt initially run

Trump is actually doing worse with 60+'s than Romney did if you look at polling and compare them (probably because they don't like his style), same thing with every other age group besides baby boomers who he's doing slightly better with

But trump clearly has better memes.
Hence, Trump>Hillary.

>He asked why Clinton was was corrupt you retard. And she is. Just because Trump is too doesnt mean giving her a pass.

Acting like one is more corrupt than the other is laughable when the level doesn't fucking matter and it's the potential corruption at hand that could go either way that should be focused on.

Learn to prioritize, for fucks sakes

>Also, I am not convinced that Trump initially ran to boost ratings.

I never said that it was to "boost ratings", and the fact is that what you think on the subject doesn't matter.

The subject at hand is we have two nightmarish candidates and its a game of playing who is better.

Neither are good. Just fuck off defending their shit.

He's just the pendulum swinging back from Obama

>Omg guys he's black arn't we so great
>K bring out the total republican stereotype boys
>Hilary: is it my turn to be the cool black guy? *Starts having a stroke*

America