What do you think of the high culture/low culture divide?

It is an old social construct used by rich people in order to maintain a mythical status to the eye of the people whose rebellion they feared.

This. It was just us them mentality but in a culture where the them could not read.

It's natural when you have a legitimate aristocracy, unnatural otherwise. I say "legitimate aristocracy", as in an upper class that is recognised as aristocratic, rather than a de facto upper class comprised of the wealthy like we have, because they don't have any commitment to civilisation like a real aristocracy has, only to wealth.

Where does Ecclesiastic art lie in terms of high / low culture? It was obviously very artistically accomplished (gregorian chant, sacred polyphony, religious painting), but it was not made for the wealthy but for the Church, and was often performed by monks and for monks.

youtube.com/watch?v=6mcxEtyEUw4

It's all about market forces, so not to be taken seriously.

And yet you announce best girl to whom is not

>an axiom which proves itself is a tautalogy
...and tautologies are facts: true statements aka theorems, etcetera. you shot yourself in the foot.

what you should have said is that if you define "fact" to mean "true statement" then axioms fall out of this definition because truth is a meta-theoretic relation between statements of the object language on one hand and model-theoretic and meta-theoretic structures on the other, AND NOT something that is applied in object language of which axioms are a part.

but yeah, the guy you're replying to is essentially wrong

Taking it as simply saying that some things are better than others, there is nothing wrong with it.

No need to generalize, user.

It's more important now than ever before.

it was art in its true form.
To elevate the souls and spirits of a man.

Who is best in your opinion, senpai?

hes saying he's struck dumb in AWE, not that right/wrong is dumb

High Culture exists no more--such is how it is with the tyranny of the middle class. There doesn't even need to be a dominating middle class, but in the tyranny of the middle class, if a poor person writes something, or a rich, it will be judged on extremely egalitarian grounds. Nobody cares who is writing anymore, they only care about the text itself--thanks postmodernism.

There is no novel written now that can not be considered "popular," because it will be bought on Amazon for the same price as your Harry Potter book, just as there is nothing that can be considered high culture, because it will be devoured by everyone all the same.

There is no divide. There is just culture, and it sucks.

sure

I think his point eluded you both.

The best way to fix this is to split the population in two, perhaps alphabetically.
Only allow those with surnames beginning in, for instance, Y, to have any commodities and to be educated.
Everyone else must work the farms and factories, no exceptions.
That would soon bring back the culture divide, and result in higher quality literature.

*Meant to type luxuries instead of commodities

That's actually and obviously not even remotely true in any way whatsoever.

>i'll spend a large part of my personal fortune as an arts patron for the enjoyment and edification of the broad masses
>florence, dresden, any european city between 1500 and now
>lol jk i'm doing it to somehow simultaneously sow and prevent class conflict and revolt from below

Free your mind and the rest will follow.
Once you know high culture, you understand there is no low culture.

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People with absolutely no critical faculties love the high/low culture divide as it allows someone else to do their thinking for them and tell them what to like.

Was thinking En Vogue but Martin Luther not the King Jr will do

It's all just pearls before swine.

I mean, I'm often surrounded by people who only play video games and watch super hero movies. That's the only entertainment medium they consume. And then there are others who are not quite so bad, but would never go and read books that are discussed on Veeky Forums for their own enjoyment.

The thing is, some people just cannot appreciate art under any circumstance. They don't have profound or 'spirtual' feelings.

I personally don't know how you can live like that unless you're a child. But that's how it has always been.

irrelevant now the populace is educated and literate

Despite what everyone ITT is saying (it's relative, contexual, historically based) I believe high low culture exists and it's based on meritocracy, and ability is determined, more or less, when the sum of your work is beyond question a work of ability, as opposed to shock/controversy, etc.

Com at me

(Further reading Collingwood's Aesthetic Theory, Heidegger's Origin of the Work of Art)

It disgusts me when people say there is none and then put South Park next to Tarkovsky.
I am sure you can appreciate both in a sense, but there needs to be a separation of entertainment and art. South Park has no value in my eyes, even though I might have enjoyed it as a kid.

>there just... is... guys, please believe me

is there a way to purge this board or get better posters or something

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coming_Apart_(book)

no, there's not. A Lil B album is the same as Beethoven's 13th string quartet ;^)

it doesn't need to exist

that's not what the question means son

sorry, i'm high

It's not a matter of belief.
Retards want to believe that their comics or video games hold value. They don't.

if they don't hold value then why do they cost money?

DUDE

The only people overly concerned with "high culture" are middle class, middlebrow types, who are the worst of all.

>hurrr let me read all these books on this list then I can think of myself as Cultured and a Real Intellectual (tm)

Spoiler alert: virtually every single American is middle class, and the ones with intellectual aspirations are almost all middle brows.

gtfo pseud

seconded
not an usaer tho

There needs to be some way of distinguishing a genuine truth seeker who happens to currently not have 'high-brow' taste, and the poser who wishes to appear cultured and is happy to bow down to whatever authority allows them to think of themselves as being that.

I don't. Only pseuds and pretentious cunts do.

all of my taste was in the great fire of heighy too, what tragedy oh

>virtually every single American is middle class

Lil B is the master of modern ironic satire. True high art.

Beethoven was mediocre; he has many popular, shallow works and very little quality in his less known creations. A hollow meme for casual music enthusiasts. The definition of low art.