Humanity will never leave this spot

>Nothing is impossible if you just believe

You people really need to get a grip.

Why leave the dot?

We will with fission fragment rockets.
No fucking magic needed.

agreed, magic will be needed

What evidence do you have humanity will never leave it?

Step 1: Make a small space probe that is powered by a laser that can reach Alpha Centauri in 20 years.
engineering.com/DesignerEdge/DesignerEdgeArticles/ArticleID/13971/Self-Healing-Chip-Could-Reach-Alpha-Centauri-in-20-Years.aspx
Step 2: Send many small probes to the closest star.
Step 3: Upload consciousness into swarm of robotic probes.
Step 4: Enjoi your stay at Alpha Centauri.

When I say magic I mean things that break "laws"
It's hard to make a fission fragment rocket but breaks no laws.

laws are but artificial constructs and constraints put in place by busybody physicists. we shall pay no attention to what rules they want us to abide in order to achieve our goals.

All laws are interconnected and must be the way they are.
You don't break light speed and expect to have a meaningful universe.
Same with energy conservation.
Same with gravitational constant.
Same with electron mass.
All comes from the underlying physical truths of reality.

i say let's break these laws, these oppressive chains that hinder us from reaching our highest goals

why can't we send automated ships with with brood chamber and human sperm and eggs?

No even that. Humans 200 years from now will be never aging cyborgs.

A thousand years journey is nothing if you're like that.

Freezing and unfreezing people might be a thing too

why not? we're 30 years away from immortality

it's likely that I will leave that spot day

It really makes you think how it is statistically impossible for there not to exist any other life forms in our galaxy.

To think that there is perhaps an intelligent race or species in that picture looking at a square around their own area, thinking the very same thing as what the picture is captioned.

Its quite beautiful

It's not that it's impossible, it's clearly possible, just totally unfeasible.

When you tell someone that they shouldn't do something, or that it doesn't make sense, then they find a way to do it to spite you.

If you say that people have no real reason to go out more than 100 light years past our point of origin, provided that we don't kill ourselves off some dude will find a way to take himself, or at least his offspring, 101 light years past our point of origin just because he didn't like your face.

yeah cause we wont be humans by that point but something else

>Just B.E.L.I.E.V.E. bro, someone will do it.

Wew lad.

1. How can we take a picture of the spot we're in, in a Galaxay, if we've never developed FTL? Isn't that technically a different spot than the one we're in?

2. How strange would it be if Earth was the center of the "singularity"?

can we just get rekt by a black hole already

It's not a real picture, it's just an approximation based on what we've learned about our galaxy.

>How strange would it be if Earth was the center of the "singularity"?
Well a lot of measurements have to take Earth as a center because it's our only semi reliable reference point, so your picture makes a certain kind of sense.

what the fuck are you talking about? the success rate of abiogenesis is like 1 in 10^200, statistically there probably aren't other lifeforms in the known universe

Is it really that low of a chance when regarding concept that the universe is infinity expanding, at infinity even that probability would seem common; would it not??

If we do that we will have an inconsistent universe where life and matter can exist.
You are too carefree man!

That's why we sent out Voyager, fuckwit

even if there's life it probably won't be eukaryote organisms

but they might use computers similar to ours

>In the third rock around the sun, they said Humanity could never survived.
They were wrong.
>In the middle of the rampageous ocean , they said America could never be reached.
They were wrong.
>In the shade of olive trees they said Italy could never be conquered.
They were wrong.
>In the land of pharaohs and kings they said Egypt could never be humbled.
They were wrong.
>In the cold quiet space, they said Moon could never be treaded.
They were wrong.

>Now they say nothing.

>Humanity will never leave this spot.
>...the photographer doesn't count

You'll still be limited to the speed of light. And even getting there will require your rocketship to be 99.99% fuel.

How do we know our galaxy looks like that, are images of our own galaxy simply artists interpretations or something?

Well it can go at 5percent the speed of light and that is awesome.
Combine with cyborgs, cryogenics and you have the universe.
The engine can also provide gigawatts of electricity even out in the interstellar space!
Imagine the adventure we could have. The world's weight discover.

Top cuck.

So you visited the whole universe and discovered many life forms to get that precise statistics, right?

Don't listen to that cuck.

Very probable, unless we will actually manage to travel through some kind of wormholes, but that's all sci-fi right now obviously. There is NO other way.

Even at a speed of light we wouldn't get anywhere interesting. And accelerating to near speed of light without killing human passangers would take hundred of years.

Say we can actually freeze and defreeze human in the next 10 years of science advancement. To get anywhere (without speed of light travel possibility), we need like 1000 years anyway. By the time the spaceship has traveled 1/10 of it's desired distance (100 years has passed), we already have technology allowing any ship to catch up with the first one. Repeat that until we are at 99.99....9% of speed of light and still shit at space travel.

There is also another concern. We would need some top of the shelf brains for the travel, who would be some real heartless motherfuckers at the same time. You would likely never come back, everyone you knew would be dead. You would have no contact with Earth forever (considering current transmission limitations). Good luck working without losing your sanity. Option B, we can travel without freezing at near the speed of light and somehow not die because of propulsion. Now, the time passes much faster from your perspective and the flight was relatively quick. Yet everyone you knew on Earth is still dead, and by the time your fat ass got to the planet we already invented wormhole travel and it's populated, and your once bright brain is stuck in the Middleages that for the people of the future XXI century is.

We have no better option than sending lots of fast probes, analysing the universe and staying on Earth as long as we can. Physical limits of such huge distance travel are a massive ceiling in this case, and we know no way around it, unless we make some MAJOR discovery, and I'm talking nothing like humanity has ever seen. There is also probability that no such thing can exist, or we will never find it.

I wouldn't mind that job. I always wanted to work at a lighthouse anyway.

Exactly which traits of the human race make you think our confinement here is a bad thing?

There are two options - sending a brainlet who wouldn't care about philosophical aspect of leaving everything known behind, which would be obviously reterded, and sending a non-brainlet top of the shelf scientist of our times. Now, since it's almost Christmas I'm going to assume you are the second option. After years it would take you to get there, frozen or not, you would be so far behind the modern science you would probably be considered borderline retarded. That's a big blow for any inteligent person.

>And accelerating to near speed of light without killing human passangers would take hundred of years.

Bullshit. Accelerating at a constant 1 G for about a year takes you within 80 - 85% of the speed of light. when you start working with those kinds of numbers, and assuming your mass ratios enough to achieve a full accelerate-brake profile to your target with no coast, a trip anywhere in the galaxy from the reference frame of the ship's crew would only take about 10 years.

The problem is finding some reaction/ propulsion method that allows you to shoot particles out you ass at that kind of speed. not even the much lauded (albeit theoretical) anti-matter or fusion radiation drives can achieve that (efficiently) with our current understanding of both processes.

>When EMDrive is mature, you guys should be sentenced to death

We'll be dead by natural causes several times over by the time we get more than 200 light years from earth.

What if we find a way to twist space so that we can just hop from one point to another traveling very little distance, but when the space "unfolds", we'll have travelled a great distance?

Where did you get those numbers? Milky Way is 100-180 kly in diameter. OP was talking about 200 ly in diameter. Travelling this far even at the speed of light takes literally that much - at best 100 years. Crew's reference frame is pretty unimportant, by the time they get there their reaserch will likely be unimportant and everyone who started their project will be dead; current speed of scientific advancement makes spaceships outdated before we can even finish building them.

Unless, obviously, we find something that has a worth of pushing humanity hundreds of years futher in developement. Sending humans would still be pretty useless in that case. We aren't sending humans to the Moon anymore because there is nothing for humans to do on the Moon.

Yes, I was talking about that in my post. But we know none of that method.

No force of nature can break humanity's will to self motivate.

One day humanity will leave that spot, then the galaxy, then the universe, and then beyond that.

Why the fuck is it a square? IT NEEDS TO BE A CIRCLE

laws of physics man.
people cant travel faster than the speed of light

You don't need to travel faster than the speed of light. You just need to have multiple generations gradually expand outward and build outposts along the way. Where did this retarded "if I can't do it within my own personal lifespan than it doesn't exist" meme come from?

It probably will be though, nucleus microbes are the building blocks of multicellular life becauase the energetic advantage a nucleus gives a cell.
Abiogenesis is 100 percent once you have water, electricity and organic minerals.

What does Veeky Forums call triple dubs?

>Invent biological immortality while genetically engineering lower intake requirements or perfect low-energy suspended animation.
>Float there.
Time is overrated.

>Invent biological immortality while genetically engineering lower intake requirements or perfect low-energy suspended animation.

space is expanding man

>Where did you get those numbers?

Basic calculation for classwork back when I took Spec. Relativity. lots of undergrads can do it.

>Milky Way is 100-180 kly in diameter. OP was talking about 200 ly in diameter. Travelling this far even at the speed of light takes literally that much - at best 100 years.

No. in the reference frame of the ship,.assuming a constant acceleration-deceleration cycle with no coasting, a trip to almost anywhere takes about 10 years. you reach .99 C within a few years of leaving, at which point the crew basically "stops experiencing " the flow of time from an external reference frame. the deceleration takes a few more years - hence, about 10 years to anywhere. I'm not gonna churn the numbers for anybody here, Spec. Relativity is algebra-level math.

>Crew's reference frame is pretty unimportant, by the time they get there their research will likely be unimportant and everyone who started their project will be dead;
>current speed of scientific advancement makes spaceships outdated before we can even finish building them.

by the time we have spaceships that can pull constant acceleration travel over multiple light years, remaining scientific advancement will be very little at best, unless we can pull FTL, and we'll probably know at least IF we can by the time we can create a constant accel spaceship.

>Unless, obviously, we find something that has a worth of pushing humanity hundreds of years further in development. Sending humans would still be pretty useless in that case.

Much of what humans have done in the name of recent tech has literally been "why the fuck not?" I imagine going to another star will be similar.

Fuck humanity. Long live awareness.

It's obvious that we're not meant into space. It's for our "children" to play with.

Other thing is - space is repetitive and boring. Hopefully not the "final frontier".

It's not expanding so fast that it's impossible for generations of humans to gradually travel outward and create outposts along the way, hundreds or even thousands of years of travel time isn't impossible, just inconvenient.

Quantum entanglement is not well understood yet, seriously if the property of something is changed instantaneously, then there is something there, and since every fucking atom in the universe must have some level of entanglement, since all the matter must have the same source, then there is at least a probability that the quantum - link corridors do exist

No point in disagreeing pal, we are just making a different point. It's obvious that with near the speed of light travel it's possible to leave our solar system and furher, but I was focusing on the question IF we will ever do that. With no MAJOR breakthrough, those ships may likely be as expensive in the future as they are now, or more. Unless we have some ultra advanced computers making all the maintance and fully automated production, any project takes thousands of people and amounts of money that are not easy to raise. That's why I'm not certain - sending humans breeds even more problems.

No shit, no one is going to keep building rockets in 50 years. Enjoy that $300 oil barrel and 20% drop in crop yields lol.

Alcubierre drive LMAO