Are physics or math majors smarter?

Are physics or math majors smarter?

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Probably math majors for 2 reasons.

1) It is a more theoretical degree.
2) It is a better economic choice as math majors make more money than physics majors in average.

>2) It is a better economic choice as math majors make more money than physics majors in average.
implying

Probably Physics because they need to know all the math, and apply it too.

>forbes.com/pictures/feki45ehdkl/17-mathematics-include/#716d0a8d541b

If forbes includes mathematics in its top 20 degrees with the highest starting salaries in 2016 and physics is nowhere to be seen then I think my point has been made.

>because they need to know all the math

They don't need to know all the math, they need to know all the calculus. Mathematics is more than calculus.

Physics is literally a 4 year calculus degree.

Well in terms of majors I'd say the physics people are smarter on average because mathematics degrees often have a lot of people who just want to become highschool teachers, some who want to work in finance.

So I think mathematics has a bigger ceiling and bottom when it comes to IQ.

True, where I live we have separate degrees for people who want to be teachers, and a lot of them are retarded. They want to teach mathematics, but they whine when they have to learn proofs and advanced math. They go into college thinking they have to learn stuff like basic arithmetic and geometry

Maybe if you go to a cuck country like US. In most of Europe countries, physicists are forced to go through 5 semesters of analysis, spanning all the way from differential calculus, lebesgue integral, differential forms, distribution theory, complex analysis, fourier series theory etc.

Seriously I don't even understand how the fuck is it allowed to become a physicist without going through all of those. You have to study like a motherfucker to understand all the proofs and work through some hardcore problems and theory, but maybe it's just our country.

Calculus is the English word for analysis

>5 semesters of analysis, spanning all the way from differential calculus, lebesgue integral, differential forms, distribution theory, complex analysis, fourier series theory

Those things, for the most part, are calculus. Which is my point. Also,

>5 semesters of analysis

You are bullshitting here. Math majors themselves don't get more than 3 semesters of analysis. Don't tell me you are counting Calc I to III and differential equations because... no. No.

> to understand all the proofs

Since when do non-mathematicians have to work through proofs

And even if you aren't lying about anything here, you are still wrong about your original statement. When you said that

> they need to know all the math, and apply it too.

This obviously does not mean that they learn all the math a math major would learn and then on top of that they need to learn to apply it.

It just means they learn a couple of topics related to physics (calculus) and then learn to apply those specific topics.

Definitely math

No, they just know enough to get the job done. They can't prove shit.

Not him, but I study computer science and in all my math classes we have to go through the proofs for all rules and lemmas. It's why calculus has a 60% failure rate for us

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This is like console wars on /v/.

I'm not the fag who talked about the application. I'm from the Czech Republic and let me tell you that the math courses we have to go through are twice as hadrcore as mathematician's. Calculus of variations is a second semester topic for us and you have to understand everything a math major does, including the proofs (from which you have to take an oral exam, which is a third part of the overall real analysis exam).

I'm not bullshitting, faggot. We literally have 5 fucking semesters of analysis every single semester, filled with shitloads of theory and everybody has to fucking learn everything, including the proofs. Math majors don't get to see calculus of variations until the fourth semester.

>Calculus is english word for Analysis

top fucking kek, retard. The only people who take calculus on our faculty are people who take financial mathematics, which is a dumbed the fuck down course that actually has what your people take in the university - calculus.

Okay, fair enough. But I don't understand why.

At my uni we have separate calculus courses and as far as I know we are the only ones who learn calculus in the traditional structure of
>definitions
>theorems
>proofs
>repeat

My friends in engineering do not even know what the definition of a limit is, and that is usually the first definition studied in a calculus course. The same goes for derivatives and integrals. They just know the theorems to compute it.

Just to show you the extension of what we have to learn:

karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~rcerny/skripta_MAF3.pdf

this is a study text that is written by our lecturer parallel to the lectures. It's still fucking missing like 50 pages on differential forms and you have to understand and know by heart every single fucking proof (důkaz in czech) you see there.

Tell me how the fuck is this your dum dum calculus

I only speak spanish and english m8. That said, the symbols do look like analysis so ok.

The main point stands though, you don't learn all the math, you learn some math. It just makes sense. You can't learn all the math and then all the physics in just 4 years unless they treated you like a slave

We fucking do, that's the shitty part. We literally have to learn 90% of what mathematicians have in their course and also physics on top of that, I shit you not. Physics is considered the hardest course in our faculty for a reason.

God you faggots never end do you?
> what's better math or physics?
> what's Bette physics or engineering?

Truth is alone non of these is superior.
> Math
Math majors have to learn much more abstract concepts and apply it but math doesn't exactly describe everything perfectly. And it doesn't help explain things.
i.e math can find a piece wise decision modeling a phenomena but no reasoning

> physics
Physics is the application of math and the use of "critical reasoning" to try to explain nature and it's "laws." But physics itself could hav not advanced without math. Nor can every theoretical discovery be made into something tangible/useful.

Any renowned physicists or mathematician has the ability and knowledge to apply both.

But I will agree.... as a physics major her in the US we aren't taught much or at all. We learn from "tutorials" approach where the professor talks for 10 minutes then we get treated like fucking children and sit in groups with a workbook. I find ktself having to yeah myself the concepts and more math to compensate.
> pic related
> school claims its the best way to learn physics, statistically
> doesn't understand why everyone hates the program

That is impossible. There is no time! And it would also be dumb.

Half of the things in a mathematics curriculum are completely useless to physicists. You wouldn't learn number theory, you wouldn't learn set theory, you wouldn't learn logic, you wouldn't learn algebra, at least not in depth, you wouldn't learn the axiomatic versions of geometry/topology.

All those things are completely useless for physicists.

This.

m8 we literally have differential geometry in the third semester as a separate subject. Complete with all the rape you've seen in the previous studying text.

I just checked all the math courses that mathematicians have here and I have to correct myself, we in fact have more math than they do. They get to differential equations in the third semester, and finish the fourth analysis with calculus of variation. The only parts of math that they take we don't have to are numerical mathematics, discrete mathematics which is a laughable course in itself. Mathematics structures specialization has separate group theory course, which we got bundled in the second semester of algebra, but that's literally fucking it.

They don't even have distribution theory for fucks sake

>There is no time
Indeed, half of people who push into the next semester pull over like 1/3 of the subjects from the previous one at the very least.

>we literally have differential geometry in the third semester

This is fishy. We have differential geometry in the 8th semester after all the analysis and topology courses, and those courses are pre-reqs for differential geometry.

So either your differential geometry course is easier or you take topology and analysis in you first two semesters and I am going to say that there is no way they would teach topology and analysis to freshmen, specially topology because then that would imply you also learnt set theory before.

And I think that is the explanation. Your math courses are not like the courses with the same name that math majors take. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense.

Why would your uni which seems to have a really strong program for physicists have such a weak program for mathematicians.

>We literally have 5 fucking semesters of analysis every single semester

your school is retarded

>Math is just a tool invented to help us physicists solve problems
that is objectively incorrect on that math was invented to keep track of shit and do business, and physicists don't solve problems.

That may be true from most angles, but the people who actually do get through are the cream of the crop tier physicists.

that's all really hard to believe. show course listings for both majors, please

math brainlets on full damage control

>math has a 130 avg iq even when having double the amount of women
would be interesting to see this broken down by gender. p sure male mathematicians have the highest IQ

It is a well known fact that women have slightly lower IQs. Therefore, having ore women decreases the average IQ.

Mathematic has 50% women and the average is still 130, this means that the men have an IQ of 200 and the women an IQ of like 100. Meanwhile in physics you barely have women lowering your score.

Learn to read graphs dummy.

the IQ difference is 4 points, not enough to "200". Do you even know what 200 IQ means? There's like 100 guys with that IQ in the world. Best case is 140 men, 120 women.

>Mathematic has 50% women and the average is still 130, this means that the men have an IQ of 200 and the women an IQ of like 100.

Gonna go ahead and ignore the joke and post:

>t. math major

Math majors choose the easy problems of new, useless fields. Physics majors are left with the hard problems math majors skipped.

>Physics majors are left with the hard problems math majors skipped.

>What is mathematical physics

That's the only field of physics where the problems are actually hard and surprise surprise, the people participating in it are Papa Cedric, PhD in mathematics.

In every other field the problem is
>Uhh, not enough evidence m8 xDDDDD

European here. Engineers get the epsilon-delta definition I think the first lecture of the first course they take. It's literally the first thing they learn.

Mind that calculus is covered (non-rigorously) in high school.

Godamn you had to use this text as well?

They only learn analysis though, and I doubt they take all those classes, at least in undergrad.

>nearly 50% women
who gives a shit about IQ i get to hit that SWEET MATH PUSSY

kek

I'm a mechanical engineer and I don't think I'm smarter than physicists or mathematicians, and we apparently make more than both of you.

I double majored in physics and math and this is definitely true. Almost everyone in physics was at least pretty smart, but in math there were tons of complete dipshits. On the other hand, the smartest students in the school were from the math department. But you have to also consider that there are a lot of math majors who can do nothing well except for math. There are physics majors who are this way as well, but in my experience, physics departments tend to have more Renaissance men.

where is accounting? That is a woman's field if there ever was one.

>physics
dude just make shit up when your results don't match your hypothesis lmao

>calculus of variations is hard
you wanna know how i know you're playing up the difficulty of your degree?

i know you posted that pdf to try and show us how difficult your classes are, but user, that's not actually that bad looking over the symbols. i covered that and more in two quarters of my honors analysis course while i was at university, though it wasn't as computationally oriented as yours seemed to be. i was also taking 3 other classes each of those quarters

tl;dr you don't understand the actual difficulty of your degree relative to others, stop playing it up and just enjoy it

how can you be a dipshit but decent enough to do well as a math major, doesnt math require a lot of reading comprehension and logic

he means they were smart but didn't care for trivial bullshit like he does

>know by heart every single fucking proof (důkaz in czech) you see there.
you really expect anybody to believe this bullshit

your exam does not consist of rewriting a 200-page book.

to do hard math exams you need to be able to produce proofs to all the material and related, new questions quickly

that said, his tale of the undergrad physics program that has more math than a masters in math is hard to believe

>you need to be able to produce proofs to all the material
no you don't. that's the point.

No exam can possibly test you on every single proof in a 200-page book. Not only is there not enough time on any final anybody writes to do that, no book is written so densely that every single page has a theorem critical enough to be tested on and difficult enough to have to learn.
If he can't tell what's core and what's tangential and thinks he needs to learn "all of it" by memory that's not his course being hard, that's him being stupid.

>math nearly 50% female

Kek, stay mad, physicuck.

Ouch.

>Physics is literally a 4 year calculus degree.

wat

>math majors

It is true though. Tell me one physics concept which cannot be explained through some kind of analysis/calculus.

That is all it is. A 4 year calculus degree where every year you learn new applications of calculus. You don' learn set theory, number theory, algebra (pure algebra, not related to some analysis concept), logic, etc. Just really advanced calculus. That is when people say that they are better that differential equations than math majors... I believe them. Of course they are, they have a degree in calculus.

>That is when people say that they are better that differential equations than math majors... I believe them. Of course they are, they have a degree in calculus.

Holy fuck. Correction:

That is why when people say that they are better at differential equations than math majors... I believe them. Of course they are, they have a degree in calculus.

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>computer science only 40% virgin

This triggers me.

Also, all the math majors I know have girlfriends.

>Health Professions
>Lower than psychology

This is /soc/ and Veeky Forums tier retardation.

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Fucking horrible experience ever user

It makes you rethink physics

Wat is that book?

virgin detected

that's because the ugly women who major in lepureabtraction with them are desperate and will take any inflatable coplimentary chromosome conduit they can get that isn't imitation

>People legitimately believe that the more "theoretical" it is, the smarter you have to be to do it.

>that's because the ugly women who major in lepureabtraction with them are desperate and will take any inflatable coplimentary chromosome conduit they can get that isn't imitation

Here we have an old saying, probably first said by a philosopher: Hueco es hueco. Y si no, eres cueco.

This translates to: A hole is a hole. And if not, then you are gay.

Also.

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I already posted mine What? Did Mr. Big man get no pussy yesterday? LOL poor bastard.

As a math graduate I would say that Physics people seem smarter to me since they need to know a decent amount of the pure stuff and are constrained within real world phenomena. Then again I could be wrong but I was just never good at Physics and Math always came much easier to me. Not being forced to account for real world physical constraints and just being constrained by logic seems much more freeing.

Did I say they did well? Obviously they didn't. Most were into economics or accounting which objectively take less math than physics.

Yeah I only lost my virginity after graduating. I was so into doing well and the content of my math courses I didn't really have dating on the mind.

There's so much linear algebra and combinatorics in undergrad physics. I'm baffled why everyone is saying it's just a calculus degree. Plus imo in physics the easy part is always the math. Obviously undergrad physics requires less math than a math major. Nobody was arguing otherwise.

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Math here.

I feel like physics people are smarter only because I have no ability to do physics whatsoever. Although, I don't think Physicists have any idea how to do math.

math major here, can confirm

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is this the reason why Veeky Forums thinks mechanical engineers are so gay because it is one of the least theoretical field?

0.9999...=1 is an old meme the new version is of that meme is 1+2+3+...=-1/12
this is the analytic continuation of the zeta function at -1, what people don't understand is that this series is not equal to -1/12 but what equals -1/12 is the ANALYTIC CONTINUATION OF IT NOT THE SERIES ITSELF

Group theory (quantum fields, general relativity)
Differential Geometry (general relativity, classical mechanics to an extent)
Linear algebra (everything rly, especially dynamical systems and quantum)
Statistics (statistical mechanics although less than you'd expect)

I could go on but I'll stop

>physics is theoretical

that's true, because brainlets will call difficult, abstract fields "theoretical" like it means anything

I doubt you touch those topics on their pure form instead of in some relation to analysis.

For example. I doubt that you study group theory for its own merit, instead of studying group theory so that you can introduce lie groups.

Also

>Differential Geometry
>Differential
>Not related to calculus

wew my main lad

Ofc calculus is used so often. And of course those topics can be related to calculus. But it depends who you want to be. A pleb who calculates numbers or someone who can appreciate the larger overriding structures? The latter certainly requires math.

>The latter certainly requires math.

But is useless for physics.

Physics starts at calculus and ends at calculus. You won't study groups in the way mathematicians study them, you will learn what groups are, define lie groups and then use them as another tool to study differentiable manifolds. In other words, another tool to do more calculus.

That's pessimistic but to an extent I suppose yea. All calculations will reduce to calculus in the end. I don't rly care about that tho so maybe I'm biased since j ignore that stuff. You certainly won't appreciate them like the mathematicians will.

Can the use of magic mushrooms alter your IQ in a negative way?

>That's pessimistic

It is not pessimistic, it is at worse a bit derogatory. Everyone associates "calculus" with trivial but we have to be real.

I am simply stating these things because and other people think that physics = math + applications when in reality physics = math - logic - theory + applications

physics wouldn't exist without mathematics.

>ITT: math majors who never took a physics course beyond physics 1&2

If Math isn't physics, but is beyond physics, is it metaphysics?

Of course it would. You don't need math to do physics. Some models aren't mathematical at all. It's a language that you can almost always express your ideas in.

If I know literally no math and I say, "Heavy objects fall faster than light objects," I've done physics. Is this model good? Not particularly, but it works pretty well for most everyday objects on the surface of the earth, it can be tested (empirical), and it uses no math.

It isn't beyond physics. It exists totally separate and really has nothing to do with physics at all.

Look into micro dosing, there is strong evidence that psychedelic drugs actually increase your cognitive abilities

LMAO
This is what physics majors truly believe is "all the math"

same fag

Physics majors are by average smarter. Math has more outliers.

I can agree to that. You don't have to care to do it or know how to prove most results rigourously. But I would say it can help a lot with cross disciplinary physics to be able to appreciate the maths on its own terms. I'm only a babby btw so this might turn out to be a pipe dream later.

Do even string theorists just do calculus?

Thanks, I've read that it can help with depression and motivation.

I'm trying to do some sports now. (Cycling)
But maybe the shrooms can help me too.

Nah I just thought it was some. Not gunna pretend even 10% of maths is used, or even slightly the same mindset

Math obviously. We physicists only apply what they have discovered.