Does Veeky Forums prefer Star Wars or Star Trek?

and why

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The "science" in Star Trek at least make attempts at sounding correct.

Star Wars.

I don't know. Star Wars just had a certain "feeling" that Star Trek lacked. All the new Star Wars movies lack it too, though. The whole thing is overall a more polished, and therefore memorable product, even if it's less cerebral than Star Trek.

Star Wars seems worthy of becoming part American mythology that might be remembered centuries from now, the same way that Greek mythology is. I can't think of other modern American "myths" that might fit this bill. Novels, literature, more serious films, sure, but not really myths or legends.

Babylon 5

It's called fantasy for a reason

Does it really count as merchandising when the games are better than the movies?

I prefer Star Wars. It basically takes everything that's cool, combines it and creates something even cooler and surprisingly coherent.
Take space battles, for example. In Star Wars they're essentially WW2 naval battles in space. In Star Trek they're more like how a modern naval battle might be. Star Trek might then actually be futuristic, but Star Wars is certainly more engaging.

Depends if you prefer movies or TV series. Star Wars only has one good movie, the first one. Star Trek only has one good TV series, the first one. Everything else is pure crap. I don't like either movies or TV series, so neither, personally.

>Star Wars has one good movie, the first one.
Yes, I can tell you're not a movie buff or anything. But just so you don't embarrass yourself like this in the future, Star Wars had two good movies, the first one and the second one. Many will argue that the second one was even better than the first one.

Star Wars.
Jedi and Sith are much "cooler" than the simple puny humans in Star Trek.
Did you see Vader in Rogue One? That kicked ass.

READ BOOKS. I read Shakespeare, Proust, Nabokov, Euclid, etc. When I watch movies it's usually foreign films like New French Wave, new experimental/art films, and recently, Godzilla 1954 (and others from Criterion). However, The Trial is better than La Strada; Chekhov's oeuvre is better than Godard's oeuvre; etc.

This is the most pretentious post I've read in a long time.

Star Trek
>they tried to respect laws of physics in a memish way
>much more insteresting and showed a probable future for mankind
Star Wars
>fuck laws of physics. Lmao the force and solid laser swords. Also sound in space.
>target for teenagers
>last movie muh ebin white supremacist empire

Congratulations, you have certifiably bad taste.

>I read Shakespeare.
>I READ plays.
>Look how cultured I am.
This made your entire post nothing but trash, well done, well done.

Do you know what makes that image sadder than normal? You can tell that's England and that odachi isn't made of metal.

desu the only thing these two pieces of media actually have in common is the word "star" in the title

I like both franchises for different reasons

I never learned how people can do the star trek sign, it seems impossible to my hands to do

I prefer losing my virginity

I prefer caring about real shit

I prefer being an adult

I prefer the shittiest anime over any american/european mainstream crap.

>I prefer the shittiest anime over any american/european mainstream crap.

you lost me. I understand not liking media whatsoever and being more concerned about reality, but exclusively consuming media from Japan is actually retarded. GTFO Weeb trash

>laws of physics
>beam me up scotty

>Depends if you prefer movies or TV series
This, it's comparing apples and oranges. They have two wildly different formats.

That being said I prefer Star Trek because I saw both without nostalgia goggles and Star Trek was better for longer.

Star wars cause i was born after 1989.

Ps: StarGate vs Star Trek would've been more logical since it's 2 tv shows.

Star Trek is very similar to live action theater. Poorly done theater, but theater. Its where most of the cast had its beginnings.

That's why I like it. The hammy over-acting and the cheap production value are a stark contrast to Star Wars which is designed to be this big screen SFX epic.

You neckbeards are far away from your mom's basement. Do you want a car lift or your fantastic socks/sandals combo w/ cargopants will help you figure your way out ?

Yes, i know, you're such special snoflakes, like totally redpilled.

>but exclusively consuming media from Japan is actually retarded. GTFO Weeb trash

I don't exclusively consume media from Japan, but I wish I did.

Some years ago I realized how empty mainstream white media is. Every single new release I would see online

>HOLY FUCK OMG THE NEW AVENGERS MOVIE 999999/10 SHEEIIITTITITITI

Then I would go see it... and it was trash. No meaning, no growth. I could barely call it art.

And the sad part is that is the case with every single movie that comes out. They are all shit. None of them have any meaning at all. They are just money making machines.

I still go to the movies because my gf is low IQ and enjoys those movies, and I like to eat the popcorn they have there... but I wish I was in Japan so we could go to the japanese movies and watch anime.

And of course, a lot of anime has no meaning, but every single season there is at least 1 show that is mind blowing. The same goes for movies. A new masterpiece, every 3 months. At least one. At best we have seen 4 masterpieces all in the same season. It is beautiful.

Anime is so advanced, so beyond traditional white media that watching white media is almost unforgivable. It is like the saying of when you go black you never back. When you go jap you never go back neither.

I think this is what is known as "taking the yellow pill"

That's why I said memish laws of physics

The Empires Strikes Back had no chill.

In Star Wars, the Force was mysterious and subtle. It only affects living creatures, never objects. It's a power of perception, influence, and self-enhancement. You could believe that people didn't think it was real, that every demonstration of its power had some other explanation. It's a cool superpower used by space warriors called "Jedi Knights". A "dark side" is mentioned once, and you're left to wonder if its side effects explain the cyborg-like condition of the man proclaiming its potency.

In the opening minutes of Empire, Luke straight-up floats an object into his hands. Then Yoda lifts an X-Wing like it's nothing, and explicitly states that the size of the object is irrelevant. And Vader slaps a blaster bolt away with his hand, and makes his own debris storm (yet can't use it to catch Luke when he jumps, starting the series on its path of narratively-convenient contradictions).

The Force is now explained like some kind of hippie version of Buddhism. The kick-ass space warriors are now supposed to be passive, peaceful. The Force is NEVER to be used for attack. This is an absurd flanderization of Obi-Wan Kenobi's mysterious self-sacrifice in the first movie, as if this were the normal way a jedi would deal with an enemy, rather than a very unusual action Vader couldn't even understand, somehow mystically connected to Luke's later success.

Even the revelation that Vader was Luke's father contradicts the first movie (go back and watch Obi-Wan talk about Anakin in Star Wars, the explanation he gives in the third movie for what he said then is totally inadequate).

ESB spoiled the franchise by overexplaining the Force, and by contradicting too much of what made the first movie work.

Kek

Agreed.
And this is Veeky Forums we're talking about here. The bar for "looking-down-one's-nose" levels is set pretty high as it is.

I prefer star shrek thank you very much

Top kek

don't ask any biomedical engineers/doctors, but this might help

>I like to eat the popcorn they have there
confirmed you're gonna die in 5 years so your opinion doesn't matter

also not all movies are supposed to be art, some movies (like avengers) exist for kids/an escape for people who work hard/study hard and want to watch something that doesn't take thinking. clearly, it takes too much thinking from you

ok what about

Star Trek vs. Star Wars vs. Stargate vs. Battlestar Galactica vs. Babylon 5

Both are popsci trash, bact to >>/tv/.

Which is why it's stupid.

reminder: star trek is science fiction, star wars is science fantasy

i personally like star wars more

Let me fix that:
>star trek is low fantasy, star wars is high fantasy
Low fantasy is set in our universe, with changes, high fantasy is set in another universe entirely.

Star Trek isn't sci-fi, it's just space multicultural socialism fantasy. It has none of the discipline of sci-fi, they just wallpaper over the magic with technobabble.

>Science fiction (often shortened to sci-fi or scifi) is a genre of speculative fiction, typically dealing with imaginative concepts such as futuristic science and technology, space travel, time travel, faster than light travel, parallel universes, and extraterrestrial life.

but by your definition, no science fiction is actual science fiction, it's just all low fantasy

ST only good TV series....
ST:TNG was fantastic as a kid, bleh as an adult

NOT ANOTHER "UNIVERSE" ANOTHER "GALAXY" GET IT RIGHT

Star Trek tries to explain stuff and somehow connect it to the real world, like warp bubble - it's a real thing and theoretically it's possible to create it, just no one really knows how to do it. But yeah it's a thing on paper.

Star Wars on the other hand uses "IT JUST WERKS" approach. Lucas never attempted to explain how anything in his universe works and essentially it's just space magic.

Although both have stupid shit like gravity on spaceships and it's just there for whatever reason.

>by your definition
I described it, I didn't fully define it. Don't play stupid word games.

This is also a description, not a definition:
>>Science fiction (often shortened to sci-fi or scifi) is a genre of speculative fiction, typically dealing with imaginative concepts such as futuristic science and technology, space travel, time travel, faster than light travel, parallel universes, and extraterrestrial life.

As I hinted at, I consider the defining characteristic of true sci-fi (as opposed to sci-fi-themed fantasy) is discipline. You decide how things work, and you explore their consequences, rather than deviating, contradicting established technical elements, and arbitrarily introducing new magic to force the story the way you want it to go.

I'm actually fine with using sci-fi to describe both Star Wars and Star Trek, as a description of style rather than substance, but if you're making a strong distinction, Star Wars and Star Trek both belong on the same side of the sci-fi vs. fantasy divide.

>NOT ANOTHER "UNIVERSE" ANOTHER "GALAXY"
The text scroll is written from the POV of a guy in the Star Wars universe, who happens to live far in the future and in a different galaxy from the events of Star Wars, not the POV of a guy on our Earth.

Disney's making a movie about the guy who writes the text scroll. Everyone in it can use the Force really easily because of the long-term reproductive advantage of psychic powers. That's also how they got to another galaxy. It should be out in 2018.

The gravity on spaceships thing is explained in Star Trek with some kind of "graviton generator" that involves the use of superconductors.

>confirmed you're gonna die in 5 years so your opinion doesn't matter

Lol. Are you Veeky Forumssplaining to me right now? Really? In 2016? Almost 2017? Lol.

>also not all movies are supposed to be art, some movies (like avengers) exist for kids

And I think that is the issue! You are content with okay, it will never go away as long as you support the poison of the industry today.

Do you know what passes for kids show in Japan?

One Piece, a show about the adventure of a bunch of retarded pirates buuuuuuuuuut it is an epic about how there is no true authority in the world and if you believe that any person or institution, even your government or family, hold any kind of supreme authority, your world view will be twisted and soon enough, your expectations crashed right into the ground.

There is the fucking MEME MAN Naruto. A show about the adventures of retarded ninjas buuuuuuuut... it is actually about how the differing political views of different generations living in the same time can create some of the biggest inner conflicts of society.

Those are kid shows in Japan. They are more in the style of the "modern" kid shows in the US like fagventure time where it is a kid show but it is supposedly "DEEP" but instead in Japan, the kids shows are actually deep and it has also been that way since like the 80s. Meanwhile the so called "cartoon revolution" in the US only started in the 2000s. As always, american and europe are decades behind Japan.

And those are the kid shows, if you saw what passed for an adult show in Japan your little brain would blow the fuck up. I bet you, being fed by american movies, have never even seen anything "deeper" than Naruto and again, it is a show about fucking ninjas and pretty entry level for anime.

Both are shit.

Yea it feels like being a fucking faggot. Star Trek tackled what were at the time complicated philosophical and humanistic ideas and presented them in a way the brainlets of the world could understand by using science fiction as a pretense to get past TV censorship. Star Wars is just LOTR is space if LOTR was shit.

Star Trek because there is so much more that can be done story wise compared to Star Wars. In case the prequels didn't prove it enough, the only story you can do in Star Wars is big evil death ray that must be exploded.

Star Trek TOS+TNG>Lucas' Star Wars>current year Star Trek>Disney's Star Wars

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This is unironically correct desu

I can only do it with my left hand. Am I a reptilian?

Star Trek > Star Wars, for the same reason that Twilight Zone > Gilligan's Island.

99% of Veeky Forums is too dumb for this so they watch star wars instead

>here is a thing in a show
>here is the name and face of some scientist who thought of something kinda related

Did you and your picture get lost on your way to reddit?

Weeb confirmed. You can bullshit the "meaning" of Naruto and One Piece all you want it doesn't change the fact that most modern mainstream media is trash regardless of country of origin. You're sick of white media? Watch old white media, not new. Watch the twilight zone, 2001: a space odyssey, Solaris (1972), and I'm just naming sci-fi since this is a sci-fi thread.

>aspie
Why am I not even slightly surprised

I can never find what anime to watch, it seems like 80% of it is just reality escape romance bullshit

>You can bullshit the "meaning" of Naruto and One Piece all you want

I am not bullshitting any meaning. I am sorry that your brain is so rotten from white media that you cannot even decipher the meaning of the most basic shows.

> Watch old white media

But I can watch new jap media instead.

Look for Digibro and watch anime he thinks is good. Don't watch anime he thinks is bad.

Sometimes he watches mediocre anime but most of the time the anime he likes is top tier.

I saw this once in /b/ and someone was actually retarded enough to try this lol, the user who did it broke his tendon then people told him to go to the doctor but he said he's going to be fine(what a retard), i'm not sure what happened to him next, he probably fucked up his hand really bad.

>star trek sign
It's actually jewish.
>The sign Spock makes for “Live long and prosper” is actually half of what is commonly done by the Cohanim Jewish priests when they bless the congregation. Both Nimoy and Shatner are from Jewish descent, and both are mentioned in Adam Sandler’s Hanukkah song.

>I prefer the shittiest anime over any american/european mainstream crap.

You could have omitted the first 3 sentences tbqh

At least Star Trek isn't being ruined by new Disney "canon"

>But I can watch new jap media instead.

Why not both Japanese and old Western media?

Who has the time?

And more than I care about art, I care about artists and the direction art is taking.

New art is exciting, there are communities all over the internet talking about it, making memes, jokes, etc. And you get to see and discuss the direction modern art is taking. I care about shows that push the medium forward. Not shows that pushed the medium forward like 50 years ago, shows that are pushing it right now. That is exciting.

Star Trek seems more optimistic about human nature and progress. In Star Wars, the galaxy has remained essentially the same for thousands of years. This can be good or bad depending on how you look at it.

>Who has the time?

One can make the time. And nothing wrong with enjoying the old and the new together.

Star Trek is far superior in my opinion. The production values are low, the acting is usually way over the top but it has substance like any great sci-fi. Star Trek explores ideas such as morality, culture, the human experience, the supernatural and superstition. Star Wars on the other hand is a film which explores nothing, good and evil is black and white and most of the characters are completely 2 dimensional. The prequels tried to have a bit more depth but with limited success.

Halo > both

I think star trek is superior, but I enjoy star wars more. Sort of like how I think Math is superior but I like Comp Sci more.

Star Trak duh

Shut the fuck up. We let you people have "literally". You can't have "unironically".

You conveniently left out the fact that Vader demonstrates the Force by choking that general, thus demystifying it in the first movie already.

>jewish
really makes you think

>he doesn't know about the deal

Star Trek is too liberal and Star Wars went to shit.

Star Wars
>Light swords
>new-age hippie mysticism
>evil fucks who are evil for no rasin
>blow up a planet, eat a star
>no sense of scale
>early WWII level of automation (guns aimed by dudes turning cranks)

Star Trek
>teleporters and matter assemblers
>blow up a star (generations)
>time travel, alternate universes
>Literal gods (Q and more)
>technobabble
>actual diplomacy and somewhat logical motivations of antagonists

Pick your poison.

gundam seed, duh

Star Wars is more fun and popcorny while Star Trek is more insightful, hopeful, and plausible. They both have their place, but I tend to prefer Star Trek.

TNG and DS9 are awesome. VOY is meh, TNG movies are meh, JJar Trek double meh.

I enjoy anime and Star Trek at the same time, and I think most other long time anime watchers also enjoy media from all over the world. Most people claiming to only ever watch anime are bandwagoner weeaboo memelords.

As odd as it sounds, the hammy acting make the characters more real and relatable to me. Overpolishing often comes off as artificial and one-dimensional to me.