Scientists tend to lean left

There is absolutely no correlation between the IQ and the way a state votes in presidential elections.

>citation needed

Funding comes mostly from the left and media narrative is also.

A vast amount of scientists have spent their entire lives with a persona of intelligence and relishing in it. Media nowadays vilifies conservative policies and politicians for appearing stupid, which of course sometimes they are, and they subconsciously see any association with conservative policies as a threat to their intelligent persona.

This might not always be the case, but often most people who aren't moderates are psychologically/emotionally polarized to even consider the other sides viewpoints/claims. There's nothing wrong with it, and it isn't limited to scientists. It's a very human limitation that we must all deal with.

Same reason gays have higher IQs. It takes intelligence to overcome your primal impulses. In this case, compassion for poor people of different tribes requires conscious reason and not evolutionary instinct.

Reminder that national socialist is left wing.

>IQ

But typically right wing on authority politics, and definitely right wing on the concerns of welfare as it pertains to people different from you. A lot of people are turned off by those two precise aspects of it.

Politics is more than a 2D plane. It's a matrix.

>Reminder that national socialist is left wing.

Oh, we know. We know this very, very well.

Heil Bernie.

>implying compassion for poor people of "other tribes" isn't encouraged by anti-racist societal pressures

>implying the real issue isn't urban vs rural cultural differences and education

>implying homosexuality is influenced by intelligence and not environmental conditioning and hormones

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>Politics is more than a 2D plane. It's a matrix.

>2D plane
An uncountable infinite collection of points

>Matrix
A finite or countably infinite at best collection of points

So politics is less than a 2D plane?

A 2D plane concerns points on only two axes. A matrix considers countably infinite axes.

I know this was supposed to be bait, but please try harder next time.

>its a "user is altering the in-context-definition of an already vague word to suit his needs" episode

Because it is bullshit, liberalism isn't liberalism anymore. What you're thinking of is the humanitarian liberalism of the 1800s and early 1900s.

Reality has a liberal bias

I anticipated someone saying this so I got citations and as almost every single site that talks about state IQs is unreputable, it took me a while to find a reputable source. Anyway, using
[I had to remove this link as Veeky Forums thought it was spam, to get to it just go to the WashPo link below and click on the link underlined in pic related]
which I found through the Washington Post which seems to be the only reputable news site to have a serious article about state intelligence right here:
washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/11/13/actually-mr-trump-iowa-is-one-of-the-smartest-states-in-the-union/?utm_term=.d59fc6795a84
In this article they talked about how Iowa was one of the smartest states because they wanted to split hairs about Trump's speech in Iowa. (This was before their primary) They used IQ (gotten from the link above) ACT scores and SAT scores. I am going to completely ignore ACT and SAT scores as they don't show a state's IQ level very well, despite on an individual level being a pretty good gauge assuming its the first time taking it.
As an example I'll use my state, New York. We are pretty average intelligence-wise as far as the entire nation is concerned, with ~100 IQ. Our SAT scores are a bit below average, but our ACT scores are some of the best in the nation. This is because most kids take the SAT, with many of the smartest kids just skipping out entirely on the SAT (I was one of these kids, I massively prefer the ACT and got pretty close to a 36/36) and almost none of the stupid kids taking the ACT. This generally the case in the entire Northeast, as the SAT is far more popular than the ACT in the Northeast. The reverse happens in the Midwest except for Indiana (where the SAT is more popular), Minnesota, Iowa, and Ohio where for some inexplicable reason they do amazing on both tests, especially Minnesota.

I am continuing this into another post.

jup, "women to the kitchen" and "race determines worth" are classic lefty ideas.

don't be fooled by the subterm "socialist" in there. it doesn't mean left, it means populist in the sense of "politics for the majority of the populus", which is partly left (in that it tries to diminish the difference between rich and poor) and partly fascist (in that it discriminates minorities - that's the "national" part of the term).

tl;dr: "national socialist" is a standing term meaning "fascist with economic ideals focusing solely on the constituency", it has not much to do with "socialist".

Are you hitting on him?

Here is pic related by the way

anyway, the average IQ for red and blue states as by the last election's results is (ignoring Maine as it was split and I don't have data for the IQ of the individual districts):
Red States: 100.06
Blue States: 100.63 (with Maine its 100.77, but again it was split)
practically no correlation whatsoever, within margin of error.

kek
this is why I come back to this place

>liberalism is leftism

gas yourself

>socially liberal, something which is an objectively correct policy to have

Oh honey, why do you hate morals so much?

Looking at what people actually voted, it's pretty mixed anyway, so you wouldn't really expect a significant difference going by state.

>social conservatism is moral

HAHAHAHAHAHA

I didn't want to make some wide claim about IQ and political leanings as I don't have the data to back that up while I have the data to back states up.

Regardless its almost assuredly not correlated anyway. Education and Church attendance are far more important, as well as job sector.

Because they're more intelligent.

...

Actually stop it, it is getting quite tiresome constantly seeing links to /pol/ just because someone said something you don't agree with. Look, if you want to go and virtue signal: Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, plenty of platforms, just not Veeky Forums Veeky Forums.

Because people that work and make a honest living dont have time to fuck around in loonaversities.

Literally nobody ever in the history of anything calls Nazism left-wing except historically illiterate American right-wing retards who want to associate socialism with Nazism.

>changing the arugment to about morality

DO YOU WANT SHITPOSTING?

That still isn't a /pol/ issue, you want to educate them, right? Send them to Veeky Forumstory, okay?

Your "honest living" is socially worthless nothing, you're just a drain on the Earth's resources.

Veeky Forums is loaded with ignorant right-wing retards who shout down actual history in favor of their ideologically loaded horse shit.

Are you serious? Why is Veeky Forums infested with meat-heads?

Because anonymity makes it hard to be held accountable, so people can spew bullshit and never have to come to terms with how wrong they are.

It's actually a pretty established idea to look at the left/right spectrum as a ring that closes at the extremes. A lot of the ideas presented in the Third Reich were progressive at the time. And before you play that card: I'm German.

Well, I'd say direct them to Stack Exchange, but I enjoy that place being somewhat worthwhile. In that case, I guess I have to admit defeat.

Veeky Forums is infested with shut-ins who've accomplished little with their lives. Being neoconservatives or fascists gives them a way to feel superior/worthy to other people, since they obviously aren't going to get that through DOING ANYTHING.

Which brings to mind, what is the attraction of Veeky Forums and why is it so successful?

That can't be true because then that would mean Southern whites have above average IQ ( never seen any evidence to support this, not even from /pol/ ) to balance out that the sizable minority of blacks have below average IQs.

it's almost as if attempting to chart people's political views on a 1-dimensional "left-right" spectrum makes no fucking sense if you think about it for more than 5 goddamn seconds.

look at the link I brought it to, most deep southern states are low. Its just that most Great Plains and Mountain states have extremely high IQs, and Great Lakes+Pennsylvania and Texas are average, so it balances out.

/pol/ has historically linked to stormfront and vice versa, and in the recent election cycle, /pol/ frequently made the news in rightwing media outlets, leading to many right wingers finding this place and leaking into the rest of the website. Theres also a large amount of people here who came here for the memes, especially after Pepe made the news cycle. Last but not least, there was the gamergate nonsense some other boards got heavily involved in.

I remember seeing data which showed that the traffic on this website nearly doubled over the past two years. Veeky Forums has literally been flooded with legitimate nutjobs and kids posting memes in a way never seen before.

The old saying used to be that we were smart people pretending to be dumb to be funny, that this was a big game of satire. Its all come tumbling down. This place was doomed ever since Chanology and the Wall Street Protests were the knife that killed us. We've just been diving into deeper levels of hell since then.

Well, financially, Veeky Forums isn't even really doing that well...

But it's so culturally influential online because of its structure. It's anonymous, it has topic boards which invite political echo-chambering, it has an extremely insular culture, and it has cultivated a large enough userbase to where it can export content to the mainstream.

It is a very attractive place for people with taboo views to come and congregate and organize.

The attraction is in the "anonymity", not having to register to post, and dank memes.

Because they know they're on the top 10% of the world and want to make everyone be in the 10% and be happy just like them despite they don't know shit about economics and just want "muh equality" shit despite not everyone can be as smart or rich as them.

Just look at the SJWs, they're mostly rich people that belive everyone should be as rich and happy as them but that's fucking impossible unless you want to kill the poor "a lo Stalin".

They're apparently "smart" but they don't know everything like they should, since if you taught the left why you cannot help the whole fucking world, they would stop leaning to the left.

t. not /pol/ bias, just from /adv/ user

Well, I seem to have missed a lot. It is an honest to God shame, that anything started with noble intention can become the antithesis of its purpose.

Doesn't that make it a potentially dangerous tool if incentivised correctly?

Dank memes are always a good call, user, that is true.

it makes it very dangerous indeed.

This. I don't even know why I come here anymore. Phone phosters are new level of cancer too.

You can make everyone "rich" by decreasing the costs of production so that every dollar goes further.

Through a method such as automated farming stacked with automated food manufacturing, food costs should go down to near insignificant costs and everyone should be able to eat like kings regardless of what we set our currency value to so long as the food is produced in house.

If you try to go the opposite direction and give everyone more money to buy the same limited amount of stuff with, then the people who are selling the stuff are just going to raise their prices.

A lot of new age liberals push this kind of innovation and they are really big on tech. A lot of old school neolibs and neocons resent this answer. Neolibs want to hand out more money because they think the working man deserves more capital, and Neocons want to limit that handout because the logic is that it convinces owners to invest if they pay lower taxes. Now we have to deal with shit like corn farmers being subsidized to grow corn from democrat govt handouts, and then burning off their surplus so they can play the market game and get more money in subsidies the next year, while claiming its under the guise of weed removal when in reality we have methods of removing weeds which dont involve destruction of product. Then they can cry that they pay too much in taxes when they make noticeable ROI when the Republicans are in office and then claim that's stopping them from being able invest in tools to get larger harvests. When its all bullshit and the problem is that we need to use technology to move forward.

Both parties are fucking blind and they are more focused on fighting each other than they are on fixing problems, and things have turned into a shitfest because of it.

Man, if we don't get out of this capitalist and even communist mindset, we're actually going to destroy ourselves over 'money'.

>dangerous tool
thats an understatement. At this point, this place could theoretically be datamined for detailed information on anonymous human communication and the echochamber boards could be easily be subverted and controlled by moderation and controlled, calculated meme forcing. This would then leak to other websites where a lot of people cross post and repost memes from here like wildfire, especially phoneposters.

It'd require one hell of a Machiavellian bastard to buy the website and get it done, but the pieces are in place for it to happen now and easier than ever, if anyone really wanted to do it.

The horseshoe theory isnt "well established", it's a goddamn meme for people who couldn't even finish 1984 tier political theory

Being anonymous helps.

>tfw 2008 Veeky Forums is gone forever
>tfw 2007 youtube is gone forever
Why

But if you dont want to go through the whole data mining nonsense, you could also just get together an analysis team and scientifically design memes with an agenda to force on boards with the intention of spreading those memes throughout the internet and into the mainstream.

I don't think it's a stretch to say that's happening in a more homegrown way now.

Are there larger "teams" using actual science, actual money, and analysis, to make these weaponized propaganda memes? Maybe. Wouldn't necessarily surprise me. I haven't seen evidence, personally, of an actual organized effort to subvert natural communication on the boards.

But people already use funny memes to force agendas. People already take a political concept they hold, boil it down into a simple setup-punchline or one-liner, stick it on some funny mspaint art, and it gets posted on /pol/ or /b/ and from there it makes it to facebook and twitter and it gets seen by the general public. And when you see enough of these fucking memes you start to identify with them and think along the lines they set.

>it's advantageous to perform poorly in high school.

>vative ideas inherently stupid, they are just simpler. Admittedly though, lately conservative politicians are specifically targeting stupid people, there's no doubt about that. But again, not really because they are themselves stupid, but because the

100% this. Conservative thoughts are incredibly simplistic and largely do not take into account the long-term and short-term effects of all actions. And right-wing tend to crazy as fuck when it comes to anything intellectual climate change deniers, world is 5,000 years old and vaccines cause autism.

This is such a retarded Conserative narrative "poor people want to be poor to collect welfare" nobody wants to be poor. Shit is actually retarded.

after many many generations of being poor you tend to not really believe that you can emerge from it and dependence just becomes a normal neutral thing. look up "learned helplessness". After being fucked for too long you stop trying to save yourself.

Love of the new and novel are common traits of the intelligent. This makes them susceptible to intellectualising ideologies such as marxism and left-liberalism, and less interested in (and thus less susceptible to) ideologies that promote traditional ideas.

The anonymity makes Veeky Forums so pliable to any sort of purpose for anyone capable of pulling its levers. I'm under the impression that astroturfing and datamining is a large part of the posts you see on larger boards.

It's already inevitable user, I'm sorry.

What the fuck do you think meme magic is, this is already happening.

Coming from an area with around 30% of the population below the poverty line, I can confirm that it's a stupid narrative, but what's worse is a lot of the people in these areas believe it. Many of them lean toward the far-right and were heavily [negatively] impacted by Reaganomics yet they still convince themselves it's the solution to their problems.

Smarter people tend to lose contact with reality.

You do realize this is generally exactly what conservatives say about liberal economics right?

>anything intellectual climate change deniers, world is 5,000 years old and vaccines cause autism.

Not all right wingers, just the americans, because burgers are inherently retarded.

Holy shit, you're right. I mean I knew people forced me me here but when you think about it the phrase "meme magic" and the concept of using repeating digits as numerical ouija pretty much works as a tool for memeforcing which bypasses many posters bullshit detectors unlike the traditional "reposting until you like it" approach. By making it into a game, other posters are more accepting when some other poster posts nonsense. Combining this with exploitable, reusable images revs up the community aspect and could probably allow you to force whatever you want, by attaching an underlying message to the design of exploitable, maybe a couple buzzwords, and some bot to predict when to best post the image you've created so that it falls on repeating digits. Complement this with some exploitable made yourself of the direction you don't want your meme to go in (an example of the opposite party using your meme), to create a meme strawman and then shit on that strawman to influence idiots into thinking the way you want them to think. Kids spread those memes to Facebook and twitter, and dear lord it's madness.

Why do people act like it would be an insult to imply that nazi's were left wing or right wing.

For one, they seemed to have done pretty damn well for themselves fighting off half of the world damn near single highhandedly.

For twosies, why do people give a shit whether or not some assholes agreed with parts of their political ideology or not? It's not like it actually means anything.

You want to know how I know they failed to properly sample minorities

How do you know?

It was probably a proper sample among voting citizens. 1/3 of black males have a criminal record, a lower amount are legally barred from voting and thus disenfranchised. That would leave the smarter ones among the minorities left to be included in the sample.

Well in that case it only goes to show that more intelligent people are more delusional if they actually think their vote counts for anything when global politics are being controlled by intergalactic minorities.

>being this tinfoil
Still doesn't explain why conservatives are under 100.

The only thing these studies show is that it is difficult to make it through college without being cucked by liberalism.

This shouldn't be a surprise since modern unis were modeled and founded largely by Marxists and socialists.

>using IQ as a measure of wisdom
There's your problem

They represent 30% of the American demographic and are 70-80% liberal, while being 80-90 IQ on average.

A smart person would know they need to learn how to be self sufficient or they will become the first person starving and dying in the street after shit hit the fan for everyone else and the gravy train ran out.

It isn't smart. It's complacent, and idiotic. And why countries largely populated by these people starve.

when you live in the academia bubble where nothing is ever really challenged, and people in power are pretty much immutable and immovable, they are in a sense eroded from the bottom up, by the students.

teachers are able to influence students. liberal teachers play to what they know children will fall for. things like more freedom, moral relativism (there's no right or wrong, things like that), and "encouragement" to do things that benefit them now, and not worry about the future because "it will all work out".

this stuff is very powerful, and is able to motivate a lot of people who have nothing to lose because they haven't yet earned enough worth defending.

they're willing to give things away for free because
A) they don't have much
B) they haven't worked to secure tangible things for themselves, in many cases, only intangibles, like reputation and status (within an ephemeral peer group)

the time is viewed as expendable, and not something that will affect their future (even though it could), so they have a higher tendency to engage in risky (read: degenerate) behavior.

the media calls anyone in academia a "scientist", and they know that most people will think of Edison or Einstein when they hear someone is a scientist, but aren't the people referred to more similar to a rowdy high schooler than a legendary person of science?

also mathematicians are pretty conservative by and large, and arguably mathematicians are in the highest standard deviation of "scientists".

>washington post
>credible

it's hilarious how they all pretend that they stopped writing fake news after they accused all the others of writing fake news

>whew, i sure am glad all that fake news stuff is behind us, right guys?

For your first point, scientists are idealists, products and reliants of the university academic system (which is liberal and dependent on a larger government), as well as specialized to a fault. They will focus entirely on their field of work and garble and ingest the New York Times on the side giving them a wholly liberal view of the world around them (that they fail to experience)

Your second question is bullshit and there is no source for that graph. I would put good money down on it either being totally false or obviously biased in its sampling. High and middle earners are conservative, I don't think stupid people wander into money and income (as we all know) is correlated with intelligence.

Science is pretty liberal and changes a lot, and cannot be locked into one simple view or tradition. It also requires lots of spending for new things/maintenance.

Scientists are people who study and practice science.

Gee I wonder why Scientists tend to lean left.

this made me think: I bet if the political views we consider liberal now were the norm and what we now see as conservative was the hipper and more "liberal" view, the data would still read the same. That is to say, it isn't these ideas that are inherently more intelligent but perhaps just how intelligent people interact with their social climates

its cause they know politics is a joke/a rigged game so they take no interest in it

Yet you brought up morals first. Guess'n you retarded.

Experience bias
People with high iq are people who were rised in at least an ok environment
People with high iq have much stronger domination over their ugres, for them things like knock out game are as alien as astrophysics are to people who play this game
Basically they cant relate to people who do bad things, they never wanted to do bad things, throughout most of their lives they never seen people do bad things, so they start to believe that people doing bad things is abnormality caused by something
Thus they believe that world can be fixed by just removing the discrimination, and everyone will be as smart and intellegent as they and everyone they know are

Intellectuals have always been more liberal than the average person. It's because intellectualism is intrinsically progressive. It almost requires being open to new ideas and new ways of thinking. This is directly opposed to conservatism.