I stopped eating milk and it cured my acne

there is no high quality evidence to suggest this, just (mixed) observational data and various speculative hypotheses

one of the interesting / plausible ones imo: since milk increases anabolic hormones and signaling more than most other foods, which enhances the activity of the immune system (diets high in milk proteins can increase resilience to various infectious stimuli in animal models), it unmasks an underlying mild deficit in immunotolerance to skin bacteria which otherwise wouldn't surface

Is that a thing? I have literally only heard that acne is affected more by diet than anything else.

this happened to me, i got the worse acne of my life all of a sudden, eventually i read that milk can cause it so i stopped drinking it, then my acne cleared in a couple of days.

but now like a year+ later i can drink as much as i like and i dont get pimples almost ever

Correlation doesn't imply causation.

damn u really taught us all a lesson here bro

define Correlation
define causation

i fucking hate how all of the pseudoscience people flock to acne remedies

>if you take sandpaper and lightly remove the skin around the facial area, you will no longer have acne
>if you rub lemon juice on your face and scream prayers into a dead goat your acne will be gone by the next blood moon
>how did i get rid of my acne? simple, i just stopped eating for 3 years
>haha it took 25 years to start working but it works i swear

meanwhile, i've got terrible acne, and i can't afford any *scientifically proven* dermatology stuff to clear it up, and literally NONE of the home remedies work

Literally lactose, some species of bacteria prefer it as a food source

I don't get much acne because I'm in my late 20s now... but I've always drank a ton of milk.

Acne is caused by something we ingest or breath in and nobody seems to know what. My dermatologist always denied milk and foods being a cause. Honestly acne medication is a scam. The only thing you can do is grow out of it.

try eating really clean (only water, lots of veggies and less meat) and you will probably notice a lot of difference

Use benzoyl peroxide on particularly bad pimples and those should clear up in a day or two. Dont over do it though or your face will become dry as shit and create more acne
also

Milk is for babies.

Human milk is for human babies.
Cow's milk is for calves, not humans.

There's no reason you should be consuming dairy products at all. You need calcium? Eat kale instead.

More often than not, if you have acne, it is because of a food allergy. However, it may not be the food itself, but something on/in the food that isn't normally there in nature.

I have allergic reactions to some of the pesticides put on and in store bought vegetables. If I eat carrots from the store my throat, lips, tongue, and inner ears will start swelling. If I eat broccoli from the store I'll start to get tons of pimples around my mouth. Apple peels make my lips and tongue swell. Orange peels make my gums, lips, and tongue swell. (I can use a pot scrubber on orange and apple peels with soap & water and it will remove whatever was sprayed on them, after which they don't bother me.)

However, I became a farmer. I don't use anything more than water and compost on my plants. I can eat my carrots and broccoli with impunity. The peels of my apples don't affect me. Store bought stuff still bothers me greatly. There are no organic venders in my area so I've never been able to test organic foods for a reaction. I just keep growing my own stuff and skip having problems.

also chemtrails cause acne so stay inside when you see them

a shitpost on this board made me look up hgh for balding and it seems that it's fucking legit

plugs aren't permanent, you know

you don't have money for bootleg accutane?

I almost never eat milk but I still have moderate acne.

1 cup of milk has 30%DV.

You'd have to eat 3 cups of Kale to reach that. That's a lot of fucking kale.

So according to your image, to get your daily recommended calcium you need to drink one liter of milk (two large glasses, costing about $0.75) or eat two pounds of kale (two heaping platefuls, costing $5-6, plus about $20/day in clothes destroyed by the uncontrollable green sharts, plus about $200/day in lost wages due to the uncontrollable green sharts, plus half of everything when you get a divorce due to the uncontrollable green sharts).

thekitchn.com/heres-what-1-pound-of-kale-looks-like-232312

Greens make a nice little side dish, but it's neither practical nor healthy to try and make them a major component of your diet.

If you can't handle dairy, the proper way to get your minerals is with bone broth. Humans evolved as soup-makers, boiling what you can't chew up is common sense. It's horrible that most of our commercially-available soup is based on ersatz imitation broth.

She's cute, but she's diabetic (you can see the insulin pump), fuck that.

why dont you try not eating anything with milk in it for a month

it actually worked for me so its easily worth a try
the change is very noticeable after a couple weeks that no new acne comes up if your diligent

>almost

cut it out completely you tard
Ive been zero milk and completely zit free for 1 year but last week I had a cinnamon bun that had milk in it and got three big pimples that night

I need to stress so hard that im telling you the truth and this is no way a stretch of what happened
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I had the same problem
My doc said some cows were bred to produce more milk(no genetic modifications just breeding). And they had as well a mutation which changed an amino-acid in the casein protein which. when processed by the body can cause alergy in some people.

I can go without milk but i'm not so sure about cheese

fuck

>if you take sandpaper and lightly remove the skin around the facial area
Yeah, removing dead skin on your face do helps, but it's not like it's the only thing that causes acne
Stop using soap if you do. It removes all oil and irritates the skin(it will basically backfire and get more oily). Clean your face only with cold water to not walk around with your pores wide open absorbing all air pollution and carry some tissue to remove the excess oil. (if you took a hot bath, rewash your face with cold waterright after)
Try also removing food from your diet one by one to see if you got an allergy of some kind(try first milk, bread, peanuts. Not all allergies make you go balloon). You could also do an allergy trial but it's very expensive.
And of course have a decent diet for fuck sake. It's a well know fact your diet is the primary cause for many healthy issues. I don't get why people seems to not understand this shit.

For most people, acne just goes away randomly at a certain point in their lives and never comes back.

Whatever they were trying to get rid of it when it went away must have done it, right? Better to out and tell everybody to do that. And when someone else is trying it, and their acne goes away, well that must have done it for them, too, so there's confirmation, and they go out and promote it.

People are dumb.

a slice of cheese is as bad as a big glass of milk for me

you gotta 101% cut it to see results
but boi they are fucking results

I haven't been drinking milk for a few years now because of allergies and im still full of them, i tried soaps and creams but none worked

1. almond milk is fine
2. butter is fine
3. I dont have enough personal evidence that mayo is fine but I avoid it anyways
4. chocolate is not fine
5. most pastries are fine but check for chocolate, cheese, yogurt, or milk

a week without any milk and no new will zits appear

Mayonnaise doesn't contain milk

It increases insulin like growth factor 1 which grows epithelial (keratin) cells and also knocks testosterone out of bonding with sex hormone binding globulin, which allows it to act on sebaceous glands, increasing facial oil. In fact, any highly insulin increasing food has that effect, which is why sugary foods cause acne as well. You can decrease the effect of sugar with fat and/or vinegar/acidic foods IIRC. Loren Cordain did some research on acne and diet if you're interested.

Look up insulin index if you want a list of foods to avoid.

Look, this can happen, but you've got to understand that it won't work for the vast majority of people who have acne.

Consider this anecdote:
>I used to get really bad eczema but I stopped eating peanut butter sandwiches for lunch every day and it went away.
It's not that stopping eating peanut butter is a cure for eczema, it's that eczema is one possible symptom of a peanut allergy. Most of the people with eczema don't have a peanut allergy, and most of the people with a peanut allergy have symptoms other than eczema.

Medicine is about specific treatments for specific illnesses with varying symptoms, but which can be identified with a careful diagnostic process. It's not about finding an anecdote about a treatment that fixes a symptom and telling everybody with the symptom that they need that treatment.

>it won't work for the vast majority of people who have acne.

you have no evidence to even assist such a claim

Use sunscreen. Drink water. Drop soda. Drop sweets. Drop fast food. Eat fruits and vegetables.

or maybe idk
try out not drinking milk

>with fat
That only reduces the glycemic response, not insulin

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6342357

>You're allergic to milk, duh.
Allergy is just one, relatively uncommon, form of food intolerance.

Adults missing the lactase gene are not allergic to milk but are intolerant to it.

SHUT THE FUCK UP ALL OF YOU

you people just don't understand what we go through and you never will. People like us, we tried EVERYTHING. And nothing worked except TIME. Acne for some people is just fucking genetic. I had horrible, disgusting acne for years. I tried every home remedy, every medication, went to the dermatologist, took anti biotics. And nothing worked. Then I turned 18 and BYE user, THANKS FOR HOSTING US AND LETTING US RUIN YOUR EARLY TEEN YEARS. Acne left me. Left me with scars that I plan on fixing with derma pen sessions. In my time with acne for two years straight I swapped out and put my pillow case through the wash every day. Same thing with towels. And the bullying...

>mfw "just try washing your face user"

just use a bit of lemon juice and lightly scrub. it's not rocket science.

oi moonface lolololo haha

I once when 16 and filled a bucket with lemon juice. Dunked my whole head and burned my eyes just so I wouldn't look so disgusting to my crush

Traditional cultures that have avoided westernization and consume potatoes as the main source of calories have little acne. Same with those that incorporate fair quantities of meat, so it sounds unlikely that insulinogenicity is a major contributor.

Yeah man, the fact that people go around all over the place with acne, and try all sorts of stuff to fix it, and serious scientists put effort into finding the cause, and yet you can't go to a doctor and say, "I have acne." and have the first thing he says be, "Stop having any dairy products. That works for most people." even though acne is common, this is extremely easy to experiment with, and they know of several other conditions that are fixed by avoiding dairy products, is not in any way evidence that you haven't discovered the miracle cure for acne.

If consuming diary products was a common cause of acne, people would know.

anons like didnt

cotton balls soaked in apple cider vinegar, bandaged to the face for hours at a time

Many sources of Ca we don't need milk.

I'm gonna speculate that you just have the genetics to break out on it. Lactose tolerance is much higher in the west, but especially around northern Europe. If you are of European background, but maybe have a recent ancestry that isn't, I would wager you got some of those intolerance genes mixed up... most of humanity is still lactose intolerant.

Dermatologists are experts at medical skin conditions science, but estheticians (aka makeup counter at the mall) are experts at skin care. Every esthetician worth her salt knows for a fact that dairy is a common acne trigger and would probably suggest you cut out dairy without prompting if you asked them for their advice. Unlike dermatologists, estheticians do not feel they need to rely on a double-blind study to make recommendations.
I had moderate acne into my 20s, and cutting dairy worked for me. YMMV; but for me, cheese, milk, and butter all trigger breakouts; and whey protein and chocolate do not. The hardest thing to not eat is pizza – I’ve had about 2 slices in 3 years, which sucks ass but is 100% worth it.

could be because you are a human AND NOT SUPPOSED TO DRINK FUCKING COWS MILK.

>eating milk

>supposed to
Fuck off back to /x/

>anecdotes and self-reported diet surveys aka bro science is enough evidence

Oh wow. Something else crazy to add to the woo list.

thicc

did you try screaming prayers into a dead goat

it took me a little while to realize whey protein had milk in it

but butter???
how much have you tested it?

>have eczema
>go to dermatologists for over 10 years
>put me on increasingly powerful, highly addictive (to the skin, which exhibited painful withdrawal symptoms) topical steroids
>culminates in one doctor who was pushing for me to take expensive, dangerous UV treatment multiple times a week
>willing to try anything but that, go to a hippie New Age chiropractor
>gives me a hippie diet
>makes things worse
>seeing my frustration, suggests I get an allergy test
>(dermatologists NOT ONCE suggested this)
>find out I'm highly allergic to milk, beef, rice(!), eggs, among other things
>stick to diet, symptoms clear up
>use only OTC topical steroids

Moral of the story: fucking hippie at least put me on the right track...

>op clears his issue by excluding hormone contaminated food
>call him allergic

>people who can't drink milk
Can we really even call you people, clearly non-whites

do you eat corn or wheat? then you eat GMO, fuckface

>2017
>holistic healers

...

Ya'll bitching too much. Sometimes milk is a factor, sometimes it isn't. Might be doing the same thing for different reasons in different cases. Everyone has a slightly different biology so nothing is absolute.

maybe EATING milk was your problem

Bro, calm down.

There is literally nothing wrong with satanic goat rituals.

Anecdotes are not bro-science if there are enough people that test them and found empirical evidence that it works. That is actually the scientific method.

Academia is often useless when trying to determine things like this, as they are frequently behind common lay knowledge. Academia is useful for rigorous science, such as mathematics, physics, chemistry, (and biology, sort of) but is almost entirely useless in the fields of social science, psychology and complex biology/medicine.

An example: it has been told for years upon years in lifting culture that to build muscle and lose fat, one must do high volumes of training with increasingly heavier weights, in addition to a stray state cardio regime. "Science" tried to verify this, and we ended up with tons of heinous bullshit that exercise scientists believed to be true based on their poorly thought out and unrigorous experiments, such as one intense set of weights being enough for hypertrophy, and sprinting being favorable for fat loss, and dietary fats being bad for you.

Yet, every 10 years or so, the pendulum swings and we get contractictory advice from "scientists". Look at the exercise and diet recommendations changing through out the years and you can see that this is true.

Meanwhile, "bros" with their "broscience" continue on with their heuristics and continue to get jacked and shredded while science tells them they are doing it wrong.

Medicine is also like this, which is why medical schools decided to teach "evidence based" medicine. Which simply means they check to see if th medicine works, instead of trying to theorize (uselessly) if it should work or not.

Tldr: there is truth in anecdotes, and you lose nothing by trying them. Stop being such a fucking need about it

If the milk was thick enough that you had to eat it was probably spoiled so thats why

drink lots of water, avoid greasy foods, STOP TOUCHING YOUR FACE UNLESS YOU ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO, don't use benzoyl peroxide, and change your pillowcase every night or put a towel over it

I would recommend tea tree oil face wash, it's from Australia so it naturally kills any bacteria it comes in contact with and it's slightly astringent so it helps reduce the appearance of pores and redness of pimples

I've tried virtually every acne product and this is what I would recommend everyone to start with

Good luck with college if you can't derive a simple conclusion from a greentext story...the pseudoscience hippie doctor was the one that put me on the right track after failing, not the dermatologists.

The reason was, he saw the failure as his own, and pointed me at the correct specialist. The dermatologists saw the failure as *mine*, because I didn't match any of their models, so they started chasing more exotic "solutions". They may even have possessed a philosophical bias against allergy being the culprit, and may have suppressed the solution from me.

Just a word to the wise about the value of "expertise" and the crucial nature of second or even third opinions.

fukken saved, thanks breh

Well user, you shouldn't have been eating milk anways. :^)

fuck.

anyways *

>Anecdotes are not bro-science if there are enough people that test them and found empirical evidence that it works. That is actually the scientific method.
are you fucking kidding me? plural of anecdote is not data you hypermongoloid. tell us what other 2nd grade level concepts you fail to understand.

>Academia is often useless when
looks like it's useless to treat your severe case of dunning-kruger as well

>"Science" tried to verify this, and we ended up with tons of heinous bullshit that exercise scientists believed to be true based on their poorly thought out and unrigorous experiments, such as one intense set of weights being enough for hypertrophy, and sprinting being favorable for fat loss, and dietary fats being bad for you.
way to strawman and make shit up

>Yet, every 10 years or so, the pendulum swings and we get contradictory advice from "scientists".
so THIS is what pop sci children actually do? conflate over the top mass media journalism on crackpottery and/or misinterpretations with actual science? my sides just hit the GUT scale

>Look at the exercise and diet recommendations
if you weren't suffering developmental delays you'd take your own advice and see how they couldn't be more diametrically opposed to your helpless shitposting, i.e. have stayed relatively constant with some refinement based on new findings which is exactly how reality works outside of that hilariously dumb 'science was wrong before' gambit

>Meanwhile, "bros" with their "broscience" continue on with their heuristics and continue to get jacked and shredded while science tells them they are doing it wrong.
no need. elementary critical thinking - post hoc ergo propter hoc - that even sperg kids intuitively understand before kindergarten - is more than sufficient.

>Medicine is also like this, which is why medical schools decided to teach "evidence based" medicine. Which simply means they check to see if th medicine works, instead of trying to theorize (uselessly) if it should work or not.
you just dismissed exactly your own reasoning. it's always fun to see tards disproving themselves

I don't know what you're trying to say. That guy's acne just went away when he turned 18, as so often happens. It was just his puberty, he didn't stop drinking milk or anything, he tried lots of stuff that didn't work, then he reached a certain age and it went away on its own. Most teenagers get a little acne because their hormones are all screwy as they become adults, some get terrible acne. That's just life.

>eating milk

Traditional cultures also sweat a fuck ton too, so don't think that argument disproves anything. There's a sweating deficiency in modern society.

Corporation research should be fucking banned.
So much amazing research gets gutted because patents get bought by billion corporations and then the research gets stopped.
Like the one where some scientists were able to use electrologist to create ancient fish that didn't need as much medication as modern fish.
Fucking kikes.

Not electrologist but electric fields*

I haven't drank or used milk in forever and I'm still a pizza faced fuck. This "milk gibs u zitz breh" meme needs to die. You get acne from greasy ass food, can confirm.

So diminished sweating is responsible for acne? Evidence?

Both in are for 100g each. 1 cup (244g) of milk is 28% DV of calcium. 1 cup (67g) of kale is 9%. (all Nutrition Data stats)

This is why you use weight, not volume.

You also never use 1 food type to reach 100% DV of anything.

Do we have any sauce on that thicc chick fo real, gents?

Did you try drinking the milk instead of eating it, or did you just drop it all together? Usually you can't eat milk until it goes bad.

A good place to start fixing your acne is minding your filters. Liver and kidneys, try herbs like milk those that increase the efficiency of the liver. Acne is often your body trying to get rid of toxins. If milk is exacerbating the condition it's likely due to the hormones present, switch to organic milk. Recombinant bovine growth hormone is some foul foul shit.

*milk thistle

>You also never use 1 food type to reach 100% DV of anything.
...and yet the point is made: a reasonable serving of kale (a costly, high-fiber green vegetable) makes a negligible contribution toward your daily calcium requirement, while a reasonable serving of milk (a cheap, high-protein staple food) makes a large contribution ot it.

Since you couldn't reasonably eat the amount of kale necessary to meet your calcium requirement, including kale in your diet is really pushing you further away from adequate calcium intake.

This is where vegetarians fuck up. You'll always end up eating a diet you can actually afford and digest. Focusing on these hard-to-digest vegetables is a distraction from realistic diet planning.

...and here's an example of bone broth:
nutritiondata.self.com/facts/recipe/2422683/2
Almost as good as milk. A liter is over 72% of your calcium requirement, and it's perfectly reasonable to have more than that in a day.

Buy whole chickens or beef bones, stick the carcass/bones in a slow cooker all day, or overnight. It's like loading up a bread machine.

>4. chocolate is not fine
Fuckin dropped.

holy shit..

There was a span of about a year where I kept a diary of (almost) everything I consumed each day (outside of water); in my case at least, I can pretty definitively trace the instigation of acne to milk. The tricky thing about connecting the two is that
1. many foods that you wouldn't expect to contain lactose actually do. Sushi/wasabi is one (I believe wasabi has lactose in it as a thickener). Also, many foods--especially if you eat out--will come into contact with milk products. For me, a bowl that a coworker used previously to eat cereal out of was enough to cause a breakout, though the bowl had been washed.
2. A span of time will pass between consumption of milk products and acne. I had difficulty convincing myself that milk products were the cause until I started keeping the diary, which led me to find that, for me at least, acne follows almost invariably 5 days after the consumption of milk products; nearly a week, and definitely long enough for you to forget what you had eaten, which is IMO a big part of why the link between the two is so tenuous.

If you're serious about eliminating your acne and suspect diet to be the cause, I would suggest keeping a diary and eating a regular and strict diet: foods that are either tried and tested, or natural with minimal additives. If your diet is not strict or controlled enough, you won't be able to draw good inferences. I'm pretty sure it's milk though.