Being as unpolitical as possible, is a concrete wall along the US-Mexico border a practical engineering project?

Putting a wall up along a border is a practical project. Even chinks did it a long time ago without all the fancy tech. It costs quite the bit but design is pretty simple.

As for politics and stuff walls are good for stopping people only when manned nowadays and there is no hole anywhere else. USA's problem would be legal arrival and then overstaying or going through the coast. Fence hopping even now is a pretty shitty idea

It took literally 1500+ years to build to the Great Wall of China.

No. Just try building a wall across pic related

just populate that shit with gators and piranha. problem solved.

I thought there was 0 chance that he would actually persue the project (since it is so impractical), but then I was thinking...

It is any easy way to give tax money to his cronies.

I still do not think he will do it, but, if he does, I bet you the project will be shady af.

>tax money
*Mexico's money

there are not enough pesos in the world

besides, even Mexico isn't cuck enough to pay for it.

mexico also has a problem with illegal immigration, though.

The Chinese great Wall required a shit ton of time, and the Israeli border is something that falls more along the lines of blocks a few meter tall and it doesn't cover all Israeli borders.

Mexican cartel are notorious for being crafty and stubborn. A wall won't stop them, only bullets will.

Hello? Modern technology. That's weak argument.

No, it isn't.

If you think it will take less than 8 years to build a 2000 mile wall when it takes literally a decade to build certain skyscrapers, you should kill yourself.

>Hello?

Reddit

Moving goalpost.

You absolute cretin. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Obvi-fucking-iously, the wall won't have to be built over natural barriers.

>Obvi-fucking-iously
What the fuck

Not an argument.

He's from Reddit's /r/the_donald, ignore him

They already attempted this exact thing. It cost a hell of a lot of money and didn't actually work

You can bring more than a ladder

Liberals should love it. Creates jobs. It's a government project. It employs low skill labor. What's not to love libs? kek

Nope.
There have been several walls of China.
They have been rebuilt, renovated, and built on top of one another.
There have also been modificationso to the original one, as Chinese settlers kept going North over centuries.

The most recent one, and the one that tourists always see, is the Ming wall.

Thank God the Mexicans are paying for it!

it would save more money per year than it would cost to build.

8-12 billion is not that expensive.

there literally isn't a simpler structure and we're very good at making them. i'd be very surprised if a good construction firm couldn't bang out an amortized 50+ miles per day.

walls are also highly effective. there are almost no examples of modern nations building walls to keep out undesirables and the walls not working pretty damned well.

will take less than a year.

mexico doesn't have a choice. use your brain. american remittances and aid to mexico is more than enough to pay for the wall. hence the panic and riots and plummeting peso in mexico - mexico basically doesn't have it's own economy, it's just an extension of our own.

10-12 months from the first concrete pour to the last. maybe 14-16 if a season proves unfavorable.

the wall is getting built, and it's going to come in on time and under budget. it is going to be effective, and 12+ million illegals will be deported.

>muh 12 gazillion illegals

i'm not sure what your post is trying to communicate. could you please clarify?

Screenshotting this post to have laughing material.

>it would save more money per year than it would cost to build.
??

oh right, because welfare. hurr.

>10-12 months from the first concrete pour to the last. maybe 14-16 if a season proves unfavorable.

how ridiculously optimistic is this. congress couldn't have oversimplified it better.

back to /pol/

pic related

just how you screenshotted all the trump will win posts?

>illegals cost the USA 12 billion per year
gonna need sauce for that

They stopped construction on the border fence when they realized it was a boondoggle, a wall is going to be even more expensive. It's extremely rough terrain too and there's no way they can follow the exact border line meaning that we are either annexing Mexican land or putting American citizens on the wrong side of the wall, cutting hem off completely. Not to mention the ecological impacts of such a project and shitting on Native American treaties and sacred sites that are scattered all down there.

there is no sauce, illegals pay taxes (yes, they do, isn't that amazing?) and are one of the few net providers to the welfare racket. it's unemployed blacks and their white trash brethren that are a drain on the system.

lots of people did that when people said trump would win the election, too.

>how ridiculously optimistic is this. congress couldn't have oversimplified it better.

exactly what the fuck are you going to tell me about surveying, plotting, digging, and then welding reebar and pouring concrete? i would be glad to hear it.

>back to /pol/

back to /lgbt/ i guess? not sure what you're trying to prove here.

abcnews.go.com/Business/illegal-immigrants-cost-us-100-billion-year-group/story?id=10699317

let me google that for you.

hell, there's probably 12 billion lost in single sectors such as prison alone.

gonna need sauce for that.

furthermore, the issue isn't entirely monetary.

we should eject or enslave the illegals simply for having broken the law and being here illegally. it's a matter of principle. the fact that it'll prove to be a major bonus for our economy is just that, a bonus.

>Fence hopping even now is a pretty shitty idea.

this is just so fucking underrated. have you informed yourself about the major part of the Mexican border looks at this very moment, right fucking now?

the point isn't that a wall isn't going to stop people who want to come over, it's that a wall would be little to no better than what we already have.

>and are one of the few net providers to the welfare racket.
LMAO

hispanic immigrants percentage wise use more welfare than even blacks. their whole point of coming to the US is literally to siphon money out and send it to mexico.

>i can't use google
FTFY

theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/09/undocumented-immigrants-and-taxes/499604/

please read before replying, i estimate it will take about 10 minutes, maybe more if you're from /pol/.

>abcnews.go.com/Business/illegal-immigrants-cost-us-100-billion-year-group/story?id=10699317

>The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), a conservative advocacy group that favors tighter immigration laws, argues that the answer is clear: illegal aliens cost U.S. taxpayers more than $100 billion each year.
yeah, i'm sure this was a totally impartial assessment

back to /pol/

Why do people always compare a US border wall to the great wall of China? There is like literally no comparison. That was in the 13th century before cars and paved roads and the Mongols still went AROUND it.

China's wall was built over a span or centuries which connected previous walls. Mongols just bribed a guard to open the gates.

investors.com/politics/editorials/sorry-but-illegal-aliens-cost-the-u-s-plenty/

do some research for yourself, if you don't believe bi-partisan experts.

eliminating all illegals in the united states is 100% a great idea.

immigration: A center-left think tank has hailed new findings showing that illegal immigrants contribute $11.6 billion in state and local taxes nationwide. But that report really shows how little they pay compared to the rest of us.

If there's any doubt America is importing poverty, take a look at a new study this week from the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, which touts the $11.6 billion illegals pay in taxes to state and local coffers. This isn't federal or payroll taxes, just cash paid through sales taxes, property taxes and city and state fees.

“Data show undocumented immigrants greatly contribute to our nation’s economy, not just in labor but also with tax dollars,” ITEP state tax policy director Meg Wiehe said in a statement. “With immigration policy playing a key role in state and national debates, accurate information about the tax contributions of undocumented immigrants is needed now more than ever."

We couldn't agree more. So let's take a look at some actual accurate information:

With an estimated 11 million illegal immigrants in the U.S., that $11.6 billion comes to about $1,050 per person, which The Latin Post hails as "lots of taxes." In fact, it's less than the average paid by citizens in even the lowest-tax states, such as Tennessee, where the average per capita state and local tax burden is $2,805, not to mention high tax areas, like Washington, D.C., where the figure is $7,540, according to data from the Tax Foundation. Media reports point out that illegals pay about 8% of their incomes in state and local taxes, compared with 5.4% for "the 1%," but ignore that average taxpayers, based on the Tax Foundation data, pay an average of 9.48%.

Well, sure, you might say, but once illegals get amnesty, they will contribute similar amounts as the rest of us, right? Actually, no.

i get your point on
- feasibility
- practicality
- effectiveness

however you're overly optimistic on all of those, plus
- cost of the project
- timeframe of the project
- benefit of deporting illegals

i'm sorry, but it's not going to cost just 12 billion and it's going to take longer than 10 - 12 months. 50 miles a day is ridiculously optimistic; that's ridiculously optimistic for unproblematic territory, which you will not have along the entire border; not even the majority of it.

unless, of course, you're talking about reinforcing the current structures, as opposed to building a completely new one. in that case, 12 billion and 12 months is feasible, although the time frame is still optimistic.

>>/pol/

Based on another study reported this week from two other center-left think tanks, if the U.S. handed out work permits, through a program such as Deferred Action For Parents Of Americans and Lawful Permanent Residents (DAPA), it would add only 10% to illegals' incomes -- meaning, an additional $3,000 per capita, which would then see a small slice taken as state and local taxes, for a grand total of just $805 million to the government. It still wouldn't approach the average Tennessee local tax rates, cited above.

Illegal immigrants in fact absorb far more in benefits than they contribute. The Heritage Foundation in 2013 found that illegals contribute an average of $10,000 in total taxes (federal and payroll as well as local taxes) but use almost $24,000 in welfare and services, creating a net $14,000 per capita gain per illegal worker.

it's little wonder the world's impoverished feel the red carpet is out for them to come here illegally.

Steven A. Camarota, director of research at the Center for Immigration Studies, said Heritage understates actual welfare use by illegals by its use of the federal government's Current Population Survey. "In a more recent study where I looked at welfare use only (not taxes or other expense) using the much more accurate Survey of Income and Program Participation, I found that 62% of households headed by illegal immigrants used at least one major welfare program," Camarota told IBD via email.

"Bottom line, illegal immigrants have a 10th grade education on average," he said. "In the modern American economy people with that level of education tend to make modest wages and as result pay relatively little in taxes, at the same time they tend to use a lot in public services, regardless of legal status. In the case of illegals, they often receive benefits on behalf of their U.S.-born children. If you had to put it in a bumper sticker it would be: 'there is a high cost to cheap labor.' "

>tfw Veeky Forums can't even do simple math

>Alexia Fernández Campbell is a staff writer at The Atlantic, where she covers immigration and business. She was previously a reporter at the South Florida Sun-Sentinel and the Spanish-language newspaper of The Palm Beach Post.
>The Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, a Washington, D.C., think tank, estimates that about half of undocumented workers in the United States pay income taxes.
>Tanya Gonzalez, the executive director of the nonprofit Sacred Heart Center in Richmond, Virginia, organized the first federally-funded, bilingual tax-assistance program in the region
lmao

are you really so stupid to do the same thing you accuse someone of doing? worse yet, the entire article focuses on nothing but the benefits and either mentions any """negatives""" in passing or not at all.

F*** Barry Hussein Obama and all his liberal cronies who LOVE muslims, anti-Americans and trans-gender pervets! MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!!!

you don't need walls where natural barriers exist, which is over 600 miles of the border, and some areas don't need as much wall as other areas.

in all likelihood the only 'fuckhueg cyclopean 75 foot monster wall' sections will be the major border crossings. where they will have the strongest effect... in stopping people from crossing over illegally? no, in letting the world know that america is not the same as the rest of the world.

i actually said, 'from the first pour of concrete' would be 12-14 months. the surveying alone will take 2 months, etc. but once it's ready to be thrown up, these sorts of structures go up very, very, very fast. there are quite a few firms in our country that have it down to a science.

Maybe illegal people make less becuase they are the only ones willing to do the chepest jobs nessary to grow that lettuce to fed your fat face.

But sure throw out billions of taxdollars and cheep NESSARY labor out the door, who needs food. OP'S question its possible, but not ethical or sustainably long term. Basicly shit breaks, and people would just buy ropes and latters.

>But sure throw out billions of taxdollars

They already are by supporting every single government policy that applies price control on every single industry that should die out in a free market environment (agriculture, for example)

>who needs food

They certainly don't need to make that food themselves. But I guess we should ignore every single sign that we are using our scarce resources the wrong way and keep growing all of this unnecessary crops because ''Muh merica strong'' than importing goods because, apparently, that's bad.

farmers are already getting enough subsidies. they don't need slave labor, too.

You have zero metrics to back this statement up. The government building a wall =/= a private organization building a sky scraper.

The U.S. was building the Panama Canal in 1903 and finished in less than ten years, and to add, they lost a large percentage of their work-force from Malaria. The Hoover Dam took four years in the 30's.

Do you really think it will currently take longer than 8 years to lay down some slabs for 2000 miles?

The wall is estimated to use ~7 million cubic meters of concrete, but the Three Gorges Dam was built with ~16 million cubic meters of concrete and only took nine years to build.

Based on projects using similar amounts of concrete, the project would probably take less than four years to build. America would just use imminent domain to capture the land.

Secondly, certain areas where building the wall would be tough wouldn't need to be walled off.

You'd just build your border patrol hubs around that area to easily capture people who actually attempt to tread across these dangerous areas.

Of course it is.

In all likelihood it will not be 100% wall, but a wall-fence combination.

don't condone slave labor and then talk about ethics. living wage or something?

we already discussed the 'taxes' they pay. they take much more than they pay, and they're less intelligent; these are not asians.

we lose vast amounts of money on them to make food a little cheaper while making government expenditures a LOT more expensive.

Mexifag here, you are a retard.

>mexico doesn't have a choice. use your brain. american remittances and aid to mexico is more than enough to pay for the wall. hence the panic and riots and plummeting peso in mexico - mexico basically doesn't have it's own economy, it's just an extension of our own.
The riots have nothing to do with the wall and everything to do with corrupt government + oil privatization (gas prices are insane in Mexico right now as a result).

NAFTA mutated Mexico's markets in a way that was negative for Mexico. Now that there is talk of getting rid of NAFTA the people are afraid that given all the changes to Mexico it may no longer be able to cope without NAFTA. Mexico is far more concerned with the US getting rid of NAFTA than they are about the wall and this still has nothing to do with the riots.

>walls are also highly effective. there are almost no examples of modern nations building walls to keep out undesirables and the walls not working pretty damned well.
Do understand that the problem isn't that simple. A large proportion of the "illegal immigrants" from Mexico are actually out of status non-immigrants who entered on other visas and overstayed. These people enter the country legally by plane or at a land border crossing. A wall does nothing to them and it is the choice more and more people are taking because paying a coyote to cross you through the desert is not only dangerous it often involves extortion and human trafficking (ICE is the least of your concerns if you've found yourself in that situation).
The people a wall will affect are
>people who get scammed by coyotes
>drug/human traffickers
>cartels
But even then the effect isn't as great as it should be given that the Stratfor leaks revealed that the CIA was cool with getting the cartels through and letting them operate in the US (including carrying out assassinations) in exchange for advancing the CIA's other agendas.

You may note proceed to kill yourself, retard.

You have to prove you have legal status to apply for welfare. The biggest group of welfare consumers is whites, though when looking as a percentage of the respective populations there is a disproportionate number of blacks on welfare.

Where did you get your facts, the toilet store?

lmao
>make mexico pay for it
if you think a foreign nation on the brink of depression is going to pay the richest nation in the world for an impractical wall you must be retarded enough for me to send you money and qualify for donation to an autism charity.
you funniest thing is that not only am laughing right now because america elected Trump but wait till he have to explain to the American people that they have to shell out 10 billions out of their own pocket.

>on the brink of depression

Why do people tend to say things they are not entirely sure are true?

I'd like to see a border-long force field, but that's not yet practical.

In all likelihood It's going to be 0% wall and ~30% fence aka not much more than what we have now. In the vast majority of places where it is practical to build a fence, a fence already exists. The most Trump will probably do is spend a few billion polishing up what we already have and maybe lay down a couple hundred more kms of fence for show after which he will call it a day and fuck off to go brag about how great the work he did was.

He also may or may not give Boeing a few billion dollars to burn on a "virtual fence" which will prove just as much a waste of time and money as it was when Bush told them to do it.

Heritage Foundation is a conservative think tank. Their papers are trash. They conveniently apply obviously incorrect assumptions when making estimates in order to inflate estimates. Stuff like in some cases adding assumptions about immigrant households compared to normal American households but removing said assumptions from other calculations simply because doing so would offset the overall calculations in their favor.

>Work in a certain environment.
>Write about it.
IT'S A CONSPIRACY!!!

kys yourself.

>The Hoover Dam took four years in the 30's.

One dam took 4 years. kek!
You actully think this supports your argument? Lol indeed.

Try thousands of miles, drumph already claimed he could make it 30+ ft high. Are you even trying user. We all know its possible but it is not reasonable

Mexicans can just boat to the side

>they're less intelligent
Lol pol come on try harder, you can't fool me with your bullshit

Yes

mexico doesn't have a choice. we can strangle their nation until they're starving and dying.

are you seriously, for one second, say with a straight face that it isn't true?

they're a dirty breed. we don't want them here. we don't need them here. so we're going to make them not be here.

...

Pol please. We all know you fight on a emotional level, not a logical one. But hey whatever

that's not an answer. you can't solve all your problems by blaming them on pol. you can't continue to hide forever.

>please

>we all know

>but hey whatever

pol is more logical and rational than Veeky Forums.

Can you prove it? :^)

Nigga are you for real? If anyone is less intelligent it's /pol/. They are a dirty breed and we don't want them on Veeky Forums.

Hiroshima Nagasaki, where is our wall!!

>china did it
>of couse it's effective

Does anyone else read /pol/ as "Paul"?

Veeky Forums is conditioning me to irrationally hate people named Paul.

>unless, of course, you're talking about reinforcing the current structures, as opposed to building a completely new one.

Which, I question the effectiveness of those structures, especially given there's a lucrative black market and a network of tunnels for smuggling and trafficking across the border.

These be some high emotional IQ posts right here. If you touch the post you can actually feel the puddle of tears surrounding them :^)

>especially given there's a lucrative black market and a network of tunnels for smuggling and trafficking across the border.

I wonder how a new wall is going to fix those!

Not really a network, more like a bipartite graph.

maybe reddit will be more to your liking, faggot?

Are you acting like food is an unimportant "reasorce"
Clearly you dont know what your memeing about.

And you even want to get rid of price control for "muh free market" so you want to get rid of the only thing thats safeguarding sellers from raising bread prices like how apple raises iphone prices.

Your not putting 2 and 2 together. You think america can just import 100% of goods is sustainable? What about food. What happens if a country cuts off trade? Now you ain't got no food. God you trumpets dont think before you speak.

But hey man, whatever.
Remeber, latters and ropes, latters and ropes........

You don't think any of the tunnels have connections to each other?

Not that guy but kill yourself, /pol/nigger.

>deport illegals
>price of food quadruples when farms are forced to hire american labor to work less hours at higher wages
>cost of living shoots up everywhere as other businesses are forced to raise prices

Enjoy your malnutrition, brainlets.

Considering they're tunnels whose exits/entrances are far from the actual border and ridiculously difficult to find, that's a good question!

WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT ALL THESE IMAGINARY TUNNELS

Fuck off, Paul.

That would be a pretty dumb way to build in redundancy from government investigators, wouldn't it?

China got MONGOLED.COM, and you can only consider Israels separation barrier effective if you don't mind the occasional Hezbollah kidnapping or Palestinian hit and run.

>build a complex tunnel you need to familiarize yourself with to navigate
>unauthorized individuals who try to use it get lost like someone wandering off in ancient catacombs

I think it could work for some.