Race/Sex Differences in Cognitive Ability:

>I was watching an interview with Charles Murray a few days ago

Care to link?

liberals not libertarians

>Dude the only people that give a fuck about this data are racists with inherent biases, trying to rationalize their shitty beliefs.
I dunno, maybe employers labelled discriminatory for not employing enough black people, despite trying, would find something of value in such findings.

Barking words like "racist" at things like this is precisely the kind of flapping, intellectual dishonesty that is the problem.

Just because you don't want something to be (because it conflicts with your own dogmatic ideals) doesn't make it vanish.

daily reminder women play in their own chess leagues because they can't even play board games at the same level as men

>retarded libertarian
yeah i head libtards being used that context too

Why not, I don't care.

The link to 'about three years' comment is here:
I had a hard time searching for this sort of data on google scholar. I'm looking for genome-related studies and where a person could find ethnic-specific or sex-specific studies.
My problem is that it is hard to find direct info about the specific things I'm interested in. It's not just bell-curves, but genetic and biological differences I'm looking for.

He's an extremely high-level academic. I'm sure he follows all of this data and has friends in the fields in question.
Don't be snarky because you're touchy about IQ

I'm Irish. As a group we have a low IQ. I'm confident in myself and I don't feel touchy about the subject and want to know more about ethnic differences in intelligence. IT'S NOT BLACK/WHITE. God, I hate how American politics poisons every fucking thing

>citing a paper from 1983

Seriously nigga? Here is a study with a sample size ~15,000 showing no statistically significant difference in intelligence or difference in variance in intelligence between the sexes.

sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289616301003

If that information existed you would have found it already.

mummy

how about we just treat people as individuals instead you fucking moron

or i don't know, maybe in your deranged fantasy world you would do something really stupid like deport all people with below average iq
say goodbye to your family then eh

>Please no /pol/ or libtard nonsense guys;'
Repped and saged

In advance, all polfags should stop posting here and ruining other boards.

>how about we just treat people as individuals instead you fucking moron
Because when employers do that they get accused of discrimination. If it's not the employer discriminating, then something is. Maybe genes. Maybe socialisation. Maybe something else. But shouldn't we find out?

You flipping doofus.

You're making some big assumptions that I don't believe in racial differences.

The point is that the data doesn't MATTER. And giving businesses more avenues for discrimination is not going to help fix this country or whatever bizarre free market belief you have.

>businesses
Being the operative word. They will employ whomever will make them the most money, irrespective of pretty much everything else.

You honestly think they've got time for that shit?

oh i'm pretty sure your 3 years guy has no fucking idea
gtfo of here pretending to be righteous, you're obviously an awful person and i have no reason to be nice to you. go away

>Being the operative word. They will employ whomever will make them the most money, irrespective of pretty much everything else.
shouldnt they only employ women then, since women are paid less on average because of the wage gap?

It's not that the data isn't out there.

It's not that the data can't be found.

It's that it shouldn't fucking matter. Who gives a fuck if blacks are 5, 10 IQ points less than whites? It changes nothing and offers no meaningful information to apply.

If you care about this, it's you trying to confirm biases. It's why you waste time doing this instead of your thesis, or that problem set that's due next week, or finally losing weight.

Instead of bettering yourself, you try to find external reasons why you aren't total shit.

>someone I worship said something stupid and I need you to verify it for me so I can continue my idol worship

You are delusional.

would you say physical differences between races aren't meaningful to study either?

what do you even mean by race?

black/white/asian/etc.

I'll reiterate because insecure people are coming out of the woodwork to say it's racist to ask about this.

>Charles Murray interview
>Data on ethnic/gender differences will become overwhelming in 'about three years'
>When pressed, he says 'the data is already out, if you know where to look'
>Anybody know what he is talking about?

If you are touchy about this subject, just don't argue here.
I want some suggestions from biology undergrads/postgrads. Don't moralize and talk about 'who cares bro'

>ethnic
>gender
Not black/white. Vent your hurt feelings elsewhere.

Wow, yes, because I love Charles Murray and worship him.
Why are you so touchy about this topic?

oh look, it's fucking nothing

fuck off pal i'll argue where i like
free speech cunt

That's false actually. Economic models that pretend that everyone does what benefits them the most are the inaccurate ones. People are stupid, businesses are full of nepotism, and thinking logically as shown by various studies is what we do only when we really need do.

Funny how you libtards are so willing to reject your precious "evil greedy corporations" spiel just to pretend there is no link between genetics and intelligence. And you call me delusional...

what? blacks and whites are literally treated differently when it comes to things like high blood pressure because they respond differently to drugs (webmd.com/hypertension-high-blood-pressure/guide/hypertension-in-african-americans#1), and bone marrow transplants heavily depend on race (content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1993074,00.html)

and?

so if we didn't study the differences between races we'd have a lot more failed bone marrow transplants and worse treatment for blacks experiencing high blood pressure

these are just 2 examples of why studying racial differences is useful

I'm not
I said ETHNIC differences and GENDER.

Oh boy you are hopeless, why must we be the same? It's an interesting subject, if it annoys you don't get all moody

who said anything about being the same
oh you did

ok so study them instead of posting mr 3 years man

>mr 3 years man
what does this even mean?

And what would studying IQ differences accomplish?

btw i'm impressed by your frog collection you easily baited poltard prick

>And what would studying IQ differences accomplish?
the same thing studying medical differences allowed for: more appropriate treatment

what's the point in having asians and blacks in the same classrooms if they learn at completely different rates?

Thanks for pointing that out to me, but don't respond to him anymore. I want some sources I can follow over time, not more of the hurt feelings and simplistic opinions being posted here.
In particular I want to know about what he means by 'the data is already there, if you know where to look'

i'm a Veeky Forumsentist, not a /pol/tard

Ah. Segregation again. Okay.

Dude fuck off back to /pol/

pupils are already grouped by ability
were you home schooled or something?

Management of expectation? Maybe telling everyone they're the same is putting undue pressure on people.

Also it might offer explanations as to why some races are better represented in the sciences than others.

People are willing to explore the effect of socialisation on such things, so why would a genetic angle be so taboo?

Politics. Plain and simple.

uh huh, bye

>Politics. Plain and simple.
If you want to see politic's and propaganda's effects, just read the knee-jerk responses to this thread.

why treat everyone the same if they're not?

no i went to public school where pupils are certainly not grouped by ability

bye

Social skill is as important as academic intelligence. Most stem lack social skills, which is why they're in science, staring at books rather than talking about life.

You have to go back.

>no i went to public school where pupils are certainly not grouped by ability
So you want to group them by something that correlates to a mediocre degree with ability rather than the ability itself?

>So you want to group them by something that correlates to a mediocre degree with ability rather than the ability itself?
you can't group them by the ability without measuring it in some way, so feel free to suggest something which correlates to a less mediocre degree

Daily reminder that this user been here posting frogs for a week parroting the same things over and over again.

Sad!

Let's see. Basically you go classes that teach math, and then you do math exam in them or a whole bunch of them, and then if a kid does well for long enough you put them in a class for really smart kids while those who do bad go to remedial classes.

That's literally how a lot of countries sort their university students. They do exams splits between various subjects and then weight them assigning each exam taker a number of recruitment points. Those with more get priority to choose their university and often go to the best or at least good ones meaning you just bunched up a whole lot of people by their ability and all voluntarily.