Why is Theology accepted in Academia

yet Occultism isn't?

1) It isn't.
2) It founded the whole enterprise.

Theology is occultism.

You don't understand what occultism is of you
a) don't think it's accepted in academia
b) compare it to theology.

>b) compare it to theology.
All right, I suppose occultism is rather OC where theology is fanfiction

Give it time

Occult or esoteric knowledge is usually not shared with the uninitiated. That's pretty much the whole point of it. Not that there's really anything to learn anyway. It's all irrationalist nonsense used for the maintenance of power and illusion over a mystified audience. That is the basis of every priesthood. To be honest Theology is comprehensible to anyone who wishes to learn about it, either through scholarship or practice. The tenets are not kept in secret. That's not meant to ignore the many permutations of the worlds main religions thoughtful history. If you look to some academic circles you'll find the same sort of thing, people using there knowledge to obfuscate, mislead, subvert, to essentially work majic on anyone dumb enough to take them seriously.

This guy gets it.
Freemason/10

But freemasons don't know or do anything...

t. not a freemason & have ever read Albert Pike

*[n]ever

Theology has philosophical elements (it is at the very least systematic) and is socially relevant.

Occultism is just brute feels over reals and world salad

Nobody knows how to address arguments on their own terms, absent the social apparatus telling giving them cues.

Dr. P.J. Forshaw - assistant professor at the Center for History of Hermetic Philosophy and Related Currents (GHF) of the University of Amsterdam

UvA student tour in The Ritman Library - Exhibition Alchemy on the Amstel

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Students of Peter Forshaw's Alchemy Class were given a guided tour of the current exhibition Alchemy on the Amstel

Exeter Centre for the Study of Esotericism (EXESESO) Staff

Peter Forshaw, B.A., M.A., Ph.D. (London)
Course Lecturer in Renaissance Kabbalah and Number Symbolism. My research interests include the typology of alchemical and magical practice, Paracelsian philosophy, and the interweaving of Hermetic, Neo-Platonic and kabbalistic strands in the works of influential figures like Ficino, Pico, Reuchlin, Agrippa and Dee. Currently working on Robert Boyle’s work-diaries, and teaching courses on ‘Renaissance Philosophies’ and ‘Magic, Science, and Religion’ at Birkbeck College , University of London . My forthcoming publications include: "Curious Knowledge and Wonder-working Wisdom in the Works of Heinrich Khunrath", in R. J. W. Evans & Alexander Marr (eds), Curiosity and Wonder in the Early Modern Period (2005); "Letter, Number and Symbol in Christian-Cabala", in Stephen Clucas & Peter J. Forshaw (eds), Silent Languages: Emblems, Notations and Symbols in the Early Modern Period (2005), a major monograph on the German doctor, theosopher and alchemist, Heinrich Khunrath (1560-1605) and a translation of his Amphitheatre of Eternal Wisdom, based on his PhD thesis ‘Ora et Labora: Alchemy, Magic and Cabala in Heinrich Khunrath’s Amphitheatrum Sapientiae Aeternae (1609) and I am also working on a translation of Johann Reuchlin’s kabbalistic De Verbo Mirifico - On the Wonder-Working Word (1494)

I bet his classes fill up right away every semester with only the coolest kids.

And, of course, he's English. Of course.

Inside the Bibliotheca Philosophica Hermetica - Amsterdam - The J.R. Ritman Hermetic Library

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Conference 'Around 1600': E. Ritman and P. Forshaw - Infinitie Fire Interview Series

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The Infinite Fire Webinar Series - Selection of Dr. P.J. Forshaw

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I will never get over the pockmark.

What theology deals with is transcendental and is not provable. Occultism is finite, silly and easily debunkable. Not to mention, occultists typically are edgy fags that listen to Lacuna Coil and hate their Christian parents for putting out meatloaf instead of roast beef. (Not that there's religious distinction, it's just OP is upset over this, because he doesn't like ketchup [because it's too "spicy" {he's a ginger}].)

You don't know much about occultism.

seconded.

Why "of course" English? I tend to think of occultism as more of a Germanic Faust type thing desu

>argue against an ideology by describing a caricature of its adherents
Wew

top lel if you think occult knowledge exists, or that 'freemasonry' as a thing is meaningfull in any way. see: j. roberts

i never understood how someone could live a normal life whole simultaneously believing in the illuminati/freemasons as something that controls their existence. it would be like imagining magic existed and not spending all of your time trying to perform it or join the club...

There is L I T E R A L L Y nothing wrong with Lacuna Coil.

also

>judging things based on caricatures of the people who like the thing

top pleb

/mu/ here, Lacuna Coil is shit.
You're a fag.

while on the subject does anyone have any good recs for books on occultism?

Why is it that every person who is an occultist is extremely ugly?

burden of real knowledge my friend

>occult knowledge doesn't exist
>if free masonry is "a thing" it has to be loominati magical-ideation tier retardation and not a typical power group, with documented influence on the police, whose books discuss techniques to sway public opinion.

Because Academia still nods a little at its traditional roots in Christendom, when it was acknowledged that Theology dealt with truth and Occultism did not

But for the most part theology does not have a place in academia anymore. it is about as relevant in academia as the royal family is in Britain. Some people love it, it's admitted by many to be part of their grand old tradition, but it's too much to ask that anybody take it seriously

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>‘You’ve been invited here as a consultant, Professor?’ asked Berlioz.
>‘Yes, as a consultant.’
>‘You’re German?’ Homeless inquired.
>‘I? ...’ the professor repeated and suddenly fell to thinking. ‘Yes, perhaps I am German...’ he said.
>‘You speak real good Russian,’ Homeless observed.
>‘Oh, I’m generally a polyglot and know a great number of languages,’ the professor replied.
>‘And what is your field?’ Berlioz inquired.
>‘I am a specialist in black magic.’
>‘There he goes! ...’ struck in Mikhail Alexandrovich’s head.
>‘And ... and you’ve been invited here in that capacity?’ he asked, stammering.
>‘Yes, in that capacity,’ the professor confirmed, and explained: ‘In a state library here some original manuscripts of the tenth-century necromancer Gerbert of Aurillac have been found. So it is necessary for me to sort them out. I am the only specialist in the world.’
>‘Aha! You’re a historian?’ Berlioz asked with great relief and respect.
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Gingers detected

>Occultism is finite, silly and easily debunkable.

You could replace 'Occultism' with Theology or Religion and the truth of this statement would not change.

>teenager detected

Where the fuck did you find this pepe? Easily ultra rare.

>/mu/ here, Lacuna Coil is shit.
So it must at least be good, is what you're trying to say

crowley
robert a. wilson

Theology is much more practical. 90% of people are religious. Theology is philosophy + history + sociology.

There's a thread on it still up, look at that.

This poor post is an exception which proves the general rule of fpbp.

Your attributions are some mixture of being both confused, correct, and mistaken. The trouble is whether you are referring to theology, occultism, both or neither in each of your clauses.

If in your second clause you refer to how "theology" founded academia, then you are correct in this point; if in the former point you again refer to theology (which would seem to be the only possibility given the language of the OP folllowed by your language, but still there's ambiguity here), then you are of course mistaken. Just beacuse large portions of the academy are composed of leftist, irreligious types does not mean that theology is not basically "accepted" by the academy, much less wholly ignored/shunned to the total exclusion in favor of more modern activity. You can study to become a minister, receive accreditation in such vocation, receive academic degrees pertaining to divinity, theology, and so on. Theology is by-definition "accepted" in academia, even if you are intimating (probably mostly correctly) that large numbers of the above left intelligensia would prefer to do without it.

Because theology is real (it says so in The Bible) while occultism is evil devil-worship.

He's right though, do you know that?

The religion is merely the cult that stuck. In fact, there never has been any such thing as a religion, because the word "religion" in the English language connotes goodness, the right choice, "the (real)" religion", when of course no such thing is in the offing. There is no ontological superiority of the one to the other, and this because they both require some bedrock of non-knowledge, nonsense, belief, and so on. That Catholics, for example, have written themselves a large corpus of self-justification over the centuries which they then comfortably and historically lean on as a "tradition" does not vindicate it upon an intellectual grounds, much as they wish to present themselves otherwise. It's only ever feeling good about having won the game of history and re-telling the story and various proofs that are supposed to work (they don't), as opposed to being actually right whereof they speak (they aren't).

People want to get on board with history, and in a so-called degenerate society, the contrarian impulse, while appearing to be learned, is to take up this-or-that historical cult, and thus fully participate in human group life. But no one who does so actually has the intellectual vindication that they feel as though they have. It's just more pleasant story-telling, being on the right side of history, and so on, as opposed to actually being right about anything.

This is the nub of, for example, the total un-warrantedness of Catholic and even Orthodox chauvinism as it is expressed at various times, most notably on Veeky Forums. They're just old cults that feel good about themselves for having survived as long as they did, when they have no business doing so.

>hurr christianity is circular reasoning look at my bait i'm a stupid redneck

Both points were refered to theology.

This is Master & Margarita, right?

Theologians created most European universities in the first place, and thus the Western university system in general. Academia is a guest to Theology's system.

Occultism is not a guest.

Occult Knowledge is hidden knowledge
if God knows all, he has hidden some knowledge from man

ergo, God is a occultist

Post attractive occultists.

...

Aleister Crowley, Helena Blavatsky, Anton LaVey, Styx, the list goes on
Occultists are basically rolling in pussy/rolling in dick