To Be Decided in Open Debate

Resolved:

The "Space Shuttle" program was a disastrous mistake for the American manned space program.

Other urls found in this thread:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_(nuclear_propulsion)
freerepublic.com/focus/news/835107/posts
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spin-off_technologies
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spin-off_technologies#Light-emitting_diodes_in_medical_therapies
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spin-off_technologies#Firefighting_equipment
twitter.com/NSFWRedditVideo

Manned space programs were a mistake.

Not relevant to the current discussion.

Space programs were a mistake. Maybe start spending that money to fix our problems on earth instead of shooting your fake metal dicks into orbit for no good reason?

there is a good reason but brainlets like you are too stupid to understand

Why not? Manned space programs are a mistake. Probes do a much better job cheaper with more science return per unit mass.

>start spending that money to fix our problems on earth
No amount of money can end poverty, poverty is an inevitable result of any resources based economy. You know what would end poverty? Killing alot of poor people so the money can redistributed among the surviving poor people but nooooo lets steal from the rich instead and multiply out of control HURRR.

But science isn't the whole point. Developing the ability to live and work off Earth is also a goal.

The trouble with manned programs so far has been their extreme inefficiency. It's mostly been done for prestige reasons rather than practical ones, so there's been very low willingness to actually experiment, or accept the risks necessary for efficiency.

Somehow, in half a century of manned spaceflight, in over 300 manned orbital flights, we haven't done a single test of the effects of living in centrifugal artificial gravity, one of the most important

This is one of the reason why the space shuttle was such a mistake. Originally sold as a program to be operational for about one decade, it was justified on the grounds of efficiency, but long before it flew, the people in charge had given up on it being efficient, then it proved not to offer reliable access to space or the ability to meet tight schedules, and it was continued for three decades.

true

it was just environmentalist nonsense and government pork

easy enough to see based on the fact that even though the soviets fucking imploded they're somehow ahead in space launch capability

if you want to put people in space, you need to accept some losses

if you cant accept human losses then robotic is the only practical option

the US cant accept those losses(space shuttle being the perfect example)

making a complicated engineered system that is 99% effective costs about 1000x more than something that is 80% effective