First law of thermodynamics versus foreseeable suffering the child will encounter.
Ergo: Child's soul is immortal. It will simply 're-incorporate' when the mother's free will/environment happens again.
If one uses child as a 'crutch' to get better, that is also good. But that is a fuckload of pressure to put on someone and not everyone is built for it.
I'd say babykilling is always heinous. A better question to answer is when a lump of cells is considered a baby
I read an Op-ed recently actually written by a woman who had gone through that. The couple was against abortion and only did it as a last resort. If I remember correctly it was also later into the pregnancy. The woman wrote the article in response to Trump talking about late term abortions during the debate. She talked about it being the most painful decision she and her husband ever had to make but that given the circumstances they still believe it was the right decision.
I would look for the article but I'm on a mobile phone.
Speaking as a pro-Trump Catholic, wow, a lot of Nativism here. Either that or rather flat attempts at trolling?
OP, even in cases where the child and mother will die, the mother has lived her life in the grace of God and goes to heaven without having murdered her baby. Baby may or may not see God, we must trust in God's grace and infinite wisdom for that.
Agree with user—you're not going to argue her into bed with you. You're asking her to give up a relationship she values more than the one she has with you.
I dont agree with you. Answer me please, which phase of pregnancy that embryo turns human and takes the "human rights"? Such as we cant kill a human we have to take care of it etc.
What's the purpose of having her concede that the choice to abort may be an ethical question of life versus life?
Even if she were to agree with you on this point, you're a far cry from getting any Spirit-bearing Christian to admit that elective abortion (as in abortion done for the sake of the convenience of the mother) is ever not inherently wrong.
Turns human? The Church considers the baby human after sperm enters ovum.
"Rights" is a recent concept rooted in post-Westphalian understanding of governance and Enlightenment thinking. The apostolic Churches (Catholic, Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, etc) do not argue in terms of the rights of humans but in terms of their innate dignity and worth as children of a loving and just God. "Rights" takes this out of a moral discussion and into a political discussion.
Catholic Church doesn't patrol these matters, any more than it stands as a judge when you murder your archenemy. It teaches what is sinful and how grievous or not the sin is. To the Church sin is sin, but also that circumstances may make a sin venial or mortal. The Church also believes that you can overcome sin with the help of Jesus, through the Church.
