There is always Gödel's ontological proof if you need a mathematical proof of God's existence.
>Gödel axiomatizes the notion of a "positive property" for each property φ, either φ or its negation ¬φ must be positive, but not both (axiom 2). If a positive property φ implies a property ψ in each possible world, then ψ is positive, too (axiom 1). Gödel then argues that each positive property is "possibly exemplified", i.e. applies at least to some object in some world (theorem 1). Defining an object to be Godlike if it has all positive properties (definition 1), and requiring that property to be positive itself (axiom 3), Gödel shows that in some possible world a Godlike object exists (theorem 2), called "God" in the following. Gödel proceeds to prove that a Godlike object exists in every possible world.
Connor Long
>ontological proof
Possibility of such is destroyed by Kant.
Existence is not a predicate.
Asher Rodriguez
>let time travel exist >let there be a time machine that can change the past >everything one person does with a time machine can be undone by another time machine >peopel fight about who gets to say what history was, constantly changing it >people who have time machines die of old age >next generation does the same thing >next generation does the same thing >Who gets to make final decision on what history was? >Have to take the limit of the back forth changes at infinity >A person can't exist at infinity because there will always have been a finite number of generations of people >God gets to say what history was
Charles Harris
>>let time travel exist >>let there be a time machine that can change the past Illogical. Only one thing can be at a given point in spacetime.
Ryder Fisher
That is true when you use real numbers to describe points in the gravitational manifold, but when you use hyperreal numbers to describe them, there are an infinite number of hyperreal points at each real valued point.
>Use the hyperreal channel to define the phase of the point.
Also, you are ignoring the path that appears in the Cauchy integral integral formula which could, in theory connect the future light cone to the past light cone in a causal way.
The single valuedness of points isn't even a good argument against history-changing time travel because even with real-valued points there are infinitely more points in the universe than an observer can travel through in a lifetime, and the maximum amount of information that can be collected by an observer is limited by that small, but still infinite number of points that he passes through while in the universe.
Note that the cauchy integral formula has absolutely appropriate to GR even though it is normally reserved for complex analysis, because the Lorentzian signature of the metric is obtained by defining distance in the t direction as imaginary
>x^0 = ict
Jonathan Thompson
Caucy integral formula tells you how to compute f(Z) so just set Z to be the origin where the past and future light cones always come together at the location of the observer no matter how the observer moves around
Jace Adams
If you do that to explain then what he is doing is still not "time travel." Only one set of hyperreals would be at each point, so: >everything one person does with a time machine can be undone by another time machine still doesn't make any sense
Christopher Clark
>let there be time travel
It's a lemma. it makes perfect sense.
Caleb Williams
Once again, never forget that this proof (as all proofs) relies on its axioms being accepted.
Too bad a being that possesses all positive properties (such as omnipotence, omniscience, and goodness) can't exist
Samuel Roberts
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Jason Moore
>for each property φ, either φ or its negation ¬φ must be positive, but not both
this is the shittiest fucking axiom i've ever heard of, i'd sooner use its inverse as an axiom
Jeremiah Nelson
It's just the law of excluded middle man.
Austin Allen
that's not the part I have a problem with, it's the idea of EVERY property having a "sign" value that's absurd
why the fuck would "eats sandwiches on Thursdays" have anything positive or negative about it? why is a dichotomy like passion v restraint forced to hold only one over the other in all circumstances?
Jackson Ramirez
>let the girl that possesses all positive properties be considered "best girl" >existence is a positive property >therefore a best girl must exist
Wow it's fucking nothing
Hudson Brown
>why the fuck would "eats sandwiches on Thursdays" have anything positive or negative about it? It's negation would be "didn't eat sandwiches on Thursday."
Benjamin Foster
Calm down, it's just a truth value. Either you eat a sandwich on Thursdays, or you don't.
Grayson Gonzalez
that's logical negation. i don't deny that "true" and "false" exist, but "good" and "bad" aren't so natural as to be in fucking axioms.
William Sullivan
If you make 'right' positive, then 'left' is negative.
That's how vectors work.
Christian Moore
wouldn't negations of negations imply that everything is "godlike"?
Aaron Ross
Since the initial assignment of "positive" and "negative" is arbitrary, I guess this would also logically lead to the existence of the Devil.
No, because negations of negations would cancel. So, a negation of a negation just describes the original property.
Adam Phillips
Wouldn't mundane objects that have only one positive property be "God"s?
Thomas Wilson
>2017 >accepting modal logic wankery
Bentley Anderson
Reminder that the proof has been debunked
Joseph Jenkins
this modal logic was a mistake, especially modal predicate logic
Lucas Bell
But, something with all negative properties wouldn't exist.
William Phillips
But necessary existence is.
Ryder Bennett
Man's unfailing capacity to believe what he prefers to be true rather than what the evidence shows to be likely and possible has always astounded me. We long for a caring universe which will save us from our childish mistakes, and in the face of mountains of evidence to the contrary we will pin all our hopes on the slimmest of doubts. God has not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist.