Fuck, he's right

This is a thing I've heard a few times and I think it's a pretty anti-intellectual sentiment. Stuff means stuff.

>taking author intent into a count when reading

What stuff is meant by what stuff, and by whom?

le otter is ded xdddddddddd

>dude symbolism applies to every novel ever written because my Marxist professor said so.

He is tho

I take this to mean that in a way, we're all dead

what did he mean by this?

That's really for you to decide. That's the point?

You need to read some semiotics homes

Suck a dick OP

britannica.com/topic/intentional-fallacy

Really gets the noggin joggin

Not in the YA you read, sure.

Language is fundamentally a symbolic system /pol/tard

so much ideology

There is absolutely no way that blue curtains are blue just because. If the blue didn't mean anything, the curtains would just be curtains.

>Blue unanimously represents depression

baby blue, because its a boy!

Its a miscarriage!

The text in the blue should be changed to "What the author thinks the author meant."

Both are obviously correct.
i.e: The curtains represent the collective male oppression caused by cultural Marxism.

For sale. Baby curtains.
Never drawn.

but why even mention curtains

Fuck you I was about to make that joke

>baby blue
Like a dead baby?
wtf i hate colors now

Well, the curtains themselves probably mean something. It's just different than what they would mean if they were blue. It's not like it has to have a deep meaning. Maybe curtains mean that the homeowner keeps a clean house and has an old timey sense of style.

Allusion to death? Maybe because you draw curtains, it's a subtle hint toward his gambling addiction that caused his depression.

what colour is used for gambling addiction

black and red, maybe green. The fact they are blue symbolizes the lack of excitement and joy he gets from gambling; it's clearly pure compulsion.

brown, for craps

>Blue unanimously represents depression

Since when. Since fucking when. I did art history in university, and some colour theory in art classes, and blue was not for depression. Blue is calm. Blue is thought. Blue is the sky. Hospital rooms are blue to help patients chill the fuck out. Certain shades of blue wake you up, counteracting melatonin.

Depression is black and spiny and tentacular, like a tumour spreading through your lymph nodes to take over every part of your life.

The curtains were blue.

>history
Since that guy from blues clues killed himself. Perhaps get up with the times before you rage out over blue not meaning sad when it objectively does.

>Since that guy from blues clues killed himself

But does he have trips?

Not quite.

Son, I have not kept myself acquainted with children's television in a very long time.

Why would an author bother to write about the color of curtains? They must have some significance, even if just as some random distinct memory in the author's head. You don't point out the color of random objects when writing, unless you're a boring-as-fuck writer.

Nah, this is blatant over analysis to jerk off their ego

>into a count

>into account
I like into a count more desu senpai. makes more sense to me than physically entering an account.

There are cases where you would mention irrelevant details of the setting just to give things a more grounded or "realistic" feel, but almost always it's because it means something. Whoever made this was retarded.

Nice meme.

>this medical condition is like another medical condition for no reason

Just making sure that you realize you sound like a retard.

never publish

>a count
>a vote
>take it into consideration
I'm with

>Since that guy from blues clues killed himself
>people still believe the "Steve is dead" meme
He's still alive you fucking idiot

t. Marxlet

The curtains are as with all goods a product of labor. Color choice influences the necessary materials and manufacturing process, and thus implies a quantitative impact on the process of surplus value extraction by the superfluous bourgeois agent as well as the specific means of production he must attain and hold.

all my english teachers were female.

for boys, i think it's better to have a female english teacher. they're energetic, smart and keep you interested

Yes, and felatio should be part of the education experience

maybe if you write it out user

Oh, this crap again. Yes, because it's much better to assume that there is nothing in writing that isn't self-evident, and that the author has no concerns beyond the basic plot, when reading a novel, then to risk presenting an incorrect theory. If I tell my students what the fucking curtains might represent, it's based on the author's own words, or a critical debate between scholars who spend their lives studying that author, not my idle imagination. Following those theories opens up texts, forces students to actually think carefully about details, and encourages some depth in their approach that might prepare them for harder and more complex work. Yes, you may read something into the text that the author did not mean, but that's not such a great risk. Perhaps you prefer to think the author meant nothing because YOU wouldn't have given any thought to the curtains, as a reader or as a writer, and you're essentially championing a refusal to analyze or actually think about writing. If the colour of your curtains is meaningless, don't mention it, and try not be too proud about being willfully stupid.

Not everything in a story has to have some significance to a specific theme. Look at the immense detail in Ulysses, it's simply an attempt to represent life. It's not like every object is a fucking symbol to be decoded.

I fucking hate symbolism

Jesus, I hope this is bait. Which Ulysses did you read??

nobody cares lol

>What impersonal objects were perceived ?
>A commode, one leg fractured, totally covered by square cretonne cutting, apple design, on which rested a lady’s black straw hat. Orangekeyed ware, bought of Henry Price, basket, fancy goods, chinaware and ironmongery manufacturer, 21, 22, 23 Moore Street, disposed irregularly on the washstand and floor, and consisting of basin, soapdish and brushtray (on the washstand, together), pitcher and night article (on the floor, separate).

The whole book is full of these lists of minute descriptions that aren't meant to be seen as more than literal objects and what they say about their owners/environment. Like literally, this passage is just telling us things like Molly covers her chamber pot with a straw hat which tells us something small about her personality. It's not like they're a bunch of symbols.

>It's curtians for you, pal

just teaching kids to interpret for exam points

nbd

you should have been aborted

...

>immense depression
awful

Pro tip to all you highschoolers/budding undergrads: Symbolic analysis doesn't fly in any respected English department. Points that try to extrapolate on irrelevant details like color are ignored.

Just a tip.

This.

Sometimes the curtains are fucking blue... but unless the author is a shit writer he or she most likely picked up the color blue for a reason.

This is just a ridiculous assertion. Shit writers are shit because they don't appeal to some banal, color-based emotional symbolism?

How boring.

Gold and green.

See: The Masque of the Red Death

Fucker

>Symbolic analysis doesn't fly in any respected English department.
Entirely false: first you're making a meaningless value judgement, second you're ignoring that some writing is executed where color is relevant.

If a grey storm is mentioned in a sub-50 line poem, or even a poem of any length, it probably has meaning. If you ignore this because you would rather analyze Marxist theories in the poem 'durr teh storm reparants teh revolushun' then you should jump off your local cliff.

A book, a piece of music, or a painting is a cup containing feeling tones. Feeling is the basal generative thing of all Art, and is the thing into which all Art crashes back into.

Of course it has meaning. But trying to support a thesis with unsupportable color-based assumptions won't help you out.

"The grayness of the storm symbolizes X" is retarded.

If the writer is mentioning the curtains themselves as symbolism for something else (i.e. main character is a shut in, blue curtains represent his depression that prevents him from seeing outside his room), then the teacher is correctly. Otherwise, explicitly mentioning the color of the curtains might just be part of describing a room. Blue is a favorite among royalty in medieval settings so describing a room as having "blue curtains" may be to characterize it as rich and grande.

It was a hot summer day and I was in my workout room benching 1200 pounds. My abs were flexing and girls within a 10 mile radius were getting wet. Once I was done with my daily 32 hour workout I called one of the bitches I know, Jessica. She is really fucking hot and looks like a supermodel. SO I got into my Lamborghini Gallardo and reved it up to 40,000 RPM (this is an Italian import with special engine system). I got onto the freeway near my house and threw it into 8th gear, I hit about 600 mph and I could hear the sonic boom as I broke the sound barrier. As I was flooring it on the freeway like a badass, Jessica called me and said she wanted me to fuck her. So be it.

I came to a full stop from 700 mph in front of her house. These Ferrari's have top notch brakes, you know. So she gets out of the house and walks up to my Bugatti and starts eyeballing my cock. I could tell she was staring at it because when I looked at her I noticed she was looking at my cock. Booya.

Flash forward to like 10 minutes later. My 30 inch cock is going inside of her pussy, hitting them walls. I'm holding her entire body up with my left pinky as I'm fucking her and she has 30,000 orgasms. She looks me in the eyes and she says "harder." V-TEC just kicked in, yo. I blow my load so hard she falls off my cock. There had to have been about two pints of cum everywhere. People say I cum like a pornstar, I wouldn't disagree with them.

I throw her a towel so she can clean herself up then I do a triple backflip into my Maserati and drive home.