Another Jancsi thread

In contrast Johnny borrowed (we must not say plagiarized) anything from anybody, with great courtesy and aplomb. His mind was not as original as Leibniz’s or Newton’s or Einstein’s, but he seized other people’s original (though fluffy) ideas and quickly changed them in expanded detail into a form where they could be useful for scholarship and for mankind. He rightfully deemed that this was clever people’s duty and their fun, so he was not worried that he was not credited with all his due by the general public or the newspapers (the latter he held in what sometimes seemed Prussian disdain). One of the professional ways in which he wrung more than twenty-four hours’ work out of a twenty-four-hour day was to get the boring research on some projects done by collaborators whom he enthused by gasping that they were famously expanding their own original ideas
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>The great glory from Einstein’s dreaminess, which can also be called his closer touch with the cosmos, was that he had marvelous flashes of irrational intuition that changed the direction of scientific progress; Johnny amiably envied these because Johnny could never be irrational himself.

>“For Von Neumann,” said his assistant Paul Halmos, “it seems impossible to be unclear in his thought expression.” Although “we can all think clearly, more or less, some of the time, Von Neumann’s clarity of thought was orders of magnitude greater than that of most of us, all the time.” Halmos was probably thinking of Einstein when he likened some scientists to the creator of the Great G-Minor Fugue, while adding in his next sentence that by contrast “Von Neumann’s greatness was of the human kind”.

>A big advantage to mere humans is that one can one can develop them from nursery on. Among the several million babies born this month, it is plausible that there will not have been any Einsteins or creators of the great G-minor Fugue. But it is genetically almost certain that there will have been some who could become capable of thinking in the towering level of Johnny’s concentration, intellect and mind.

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>>The great glory from Einstein’s dreaminess, which can also be called his closer touch with the cosmos, was that he had marvelous flashes of irrational intuition that changed the direction of scientific progress; Johnny amiably envied these because Johnny could never be irrational himself.
>>“For Von Neumann,” said his assistant Paul Halmos, “it seems impossible to be unclear in his thought expression.” Although “we can all think clearly, more or less, some of the time, Von Neumann’s clarity of thought was orders of magnitude greater than that of most of us, all the time.” Halmos was probably thinking of Einstein when he likened some scientists to the creator of the Great G-Minor Fugue, while adding in his next sentence that by contrast “Von Neumann’s greatness was of the human kind”.
>>A big advantage to mere humans is that one can one can develop them from nursery on. Among the several million babies born this month, it is plausible that there will not have been any Einsteins or creators of the great G-minor Fugue. But it is genetically almost certain that there will have been some who could become capable of thinking in the towering level of Johnny’s concentration, intellect and mind.

this

Also, David Hilbert and Alexander Grothendieck are probably greater than Von Neumann.

>Albert Einstein: The Incorrigible Plagiarist
amazon.com/Albert-Einstein-Incorrigible-Christopher-Bjerknes/dp/0971962987/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_pdt_img_top?ie=UTF8

>ALBERT EINSTEIN The Incorrigible RACIST
amazon.com/ALBERT-EINSTEIN-Incorrigible-Christopher-Bjerknes/dp/1523458879

that is pure propaganda

Please do not post anything published by Swedes. PC culture has made them irrelevant in science.

>that is pure propaganda
Then read the first few pages, that deal more about science than race.
Are Einstein's letters made up?
Are those few pages entirely made up?

>yfw too smart to have original ideas.

Can you post the letters, not trying to buy this book

Jesus we all knew Einstein was a plagiarist but damn.

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Follow the link.

interesting...

so Einstein's ability to be irrational might of allowed him to greater discoveries than a pure rational mind like Jancsi

never thought of it that way

So how Eintein was and is respected by several scientists from the field who perfectly understand his findings and know the history of his thought and the evolution of the full discovery of relativity?

If he is a fraud, a plagiarist, if he is so obviously a farce, how can we not find a handful of big names showing the question point by point?

Also, Einstein was more creative. The book also says that Neumann tended to work upon the works of others and improve them.

why do you think that is....you would think pure rational minds would make the great discoveries but it seems like you have to have some other form of intellect, that of Einstein's type

What's with calling him Jancsi?

Grothendieck was the Einstein of Math of the 20th century

he might of not had the raw rationalism of Von Neumann but he was the great discoverer for math like Einstein was for physics

that was his nick name

the scope of grothendieck's accomplishments was far too limited, he was a fine algebraic geometer/topologist, and little else.

What does that even mean?
Enstein was a plagiarist overrated dumb cunt.

bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_einstein.htm

>Von Neumann liked to eat and drink; his wife, Klara, said that he could count everything except calories. He enjoyed Yiddish and "off-color" humor (especially limericks).[16] He was a non-smoker.[52] At Princeton he received complaints for regularly playing extremely loud German march music on his gramophone, which distracted those in neighbouring offices, including Albert Einstein, from their work.[53] Von Neumann did some of his best work in noisy, chaotic environments, and once admonished his wife for preparing a quiet study for him to work in. He never used it, preferring the couple's living room with its television playing loudly.[54] Despite being a notoriously bad driver, he nonetheless enjoyed driving—frequently while reading a book—occasioning numerous arrests, as well as accidents. When Cuthbert Hurd hired him as a consultant to IBM, Hurd often quietly paid the fines for his traffic tickets.[55]
Einstein BTFO.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olinto_De_Pretto

based

anti-semetic lies

Perhaps this is incorrect but as I understand it Einstein took an unusual approach to developing his ideas, he was very insightful and many have his theories sprang more from his own thoughts than experiments at least initially.

I read that his eventual formulation of relativity started from basically saying
>assume there is no aether (so no absolute space/time), how would things have to be in order for all observed phenomena to still occur?

So he kinda worked the problem backwards, he started with an assumption instead of starting with observation of something.

I always thought it was interesting if that's really how he approached things and seems pretty unique.

>anti-semetic lies
Pretty much this.
It's disgusting that still in 2017 we have to assist at such shameful displays of intolerance and bigotism.
It's like another shoah.
Let the thread slide.
I hope mods take care of it.

>the secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources

Einstein never said that

quoteinvestigator.com/2014/06/01/creative/

EINSTEIN DA GOD

>enjoyed driving—frequently while reading a book
lmao

creativity

why are ashkenazis so damm smart?

A very hard, demanding and cultured family enviroment and creation.

No genetic component?

>No Nobel
>No Fields

Why is this guy impressive again?

but m-muh mental long division computing
muh perfect recall

> When he once caught his mother staring aimlessly in front of her, the 6 year old von Neumann asked her: "What are you calculating?"[14]

Sounds like autism.

was he better than gauss

So Von Neumann had better logic and Einstein was more creative?