The cause of rape

Are there any writers that claim rape is the natural conclusion of the dehumanizing nature of sexuality?

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>rape is the natural
Yes.

why would we know about idiots

Rape = lack of access to sex + lack of patience + desperation + pinch of psychoticness + fed up + belief in inability to be caught while not having timeless morals + lack of giving a fuck (pun in tended)

For sociopaths it's just the last two.

I mean regardless of Evolutionary memes.

Human sex entails a total identification with one's body and giving the urge to extract bodily pleasure from another at least as much consideration as their Personhood, often times more.

This is basically the border of rape. There is nothing between sex and rape. They're adjacent.

I kinda wanna read a story where a rapist is successfully depicted as (more or less) moral. Where the rape is excused, if you will.

There are thousands of stories where killers are depicted as sympathetic but I have never come in contact with a rapist equivalent.

Bunch of fucking pseuds ITT

Look at the animal kingdom. For almost every single animal, sex is rape. The male literally chases down the female and pins her to the ground and injects his sperm.

There really isn't any more to it than that. Rape, or the desire to rape, among humans is merely a relic of our animalistic past.

That's because there are totally legitimate reasons for murder. I can't think of any for rape.

>Help me find a book that confirms my worldview

Fuck you, OP

Can't think of any. Even in mythology rape is never considered moral. Even when it allows Zeus to sire heroes.

What if there were only a man and a woman left in the world and the man didn't want to have sex for to repopulate the Earth. So, the woman decides to rape the man for the survival of mankind.

>The male literally chases down the female and pins her to the ground and injects his sperm.

Is there some underlying assumption here that sexual dimorphism in animals *always* means the female is the weaker or less aggressive gender? Because that's not true. Female mantises often devour males, as do a number of female spiders. Female spiders are also typically larger than the males of their species. Let's not forget that ant queens grow to large proportions while every male member of the species is conscripted into a life of endless labor.

I'd say males in the bug kingdom are the ones who are largely violated.

That's grossly exaggerated. Bonobos have sex to foster social bonds (although even they also have rape). Among social animals with alpha/beta dichotomy the alphas don't need to rape usually.

Worker ants are sterile females though.

Ok, there are some exceptions, but in general it still stands.

>Among social animals with alpha/beta dichotomy the alphas don't need to rape usually.

This is still rape by a modern college defintion pham

rape was a completely normal tradition during wars

women would expect to get raped when the places they lived on were occupied by the enemy army

it was seen as a right of the victors

I also imagine, in a materialistic way, that it was good for demography.
Losers at war, generally lose more men than the victorious side.
Because of that, the losers of the war would find themselves with more women of breeding age than men of breeding age.
Wars create widows.
The massive rape allows the countries that lose wars, to recover some lost population, if the raped women get pregnant.
And they rapers should in most cases not be bad genetic material, since they were fit enough to serve in the army, and they achieved victory in a battle.

in that case rape is like a sperm bank for countries that lost many men in wars.

That's because rape is still sex.

Human sacrifice was a completely normal tradition in many ancient civilizations.

Give this man an honorary degree in psychology.

bl manga has this thing where the relationship starts off with rape since the guy knows the other wants it but is to shy or indenial with his homosexuality to want it. then they end up in a happy relationship because of it

Well, I thought it was kinda given the story should be realistic to some degree.

>gay manga
>being a good example of anything

That's not actual rape, its fantasy rape. It happens in most female works, and the thing you're missing is that usually the guy doesn't actually resist too hard or he is just controlled easily by the pleasure of shame of getting caught.

Rape is just a last ditch sexual reproduction strategy. When your brain thinks sex is impossible or unlikely, you start getting depressed. This goes for every system in the brain.
The fantasy rape is what probably causes the majority of rapes, which is that people who have rape fantasies or fantasies of raping end up escalating their violent behaviors until they feel they can 'get away' with doing whatever they want.

Most people get off on the danger or power aspects. Fear of death stimulates tons of sexual systems, anything that makes you say 'I'll end up getting hurt/changed because of this' is very effective.

For people, both men and women the desire to be 'in control' combined with escalation leads to committing rape.

Women for fantasy rape are mostly interested in the submissive aspect. They want to lose control, but are also extremely afraid of losing control, so someone just 'taking' them is a huge fantasy. The danger aspect also helps.

wouldnt arranged marraiges by like that though. most of the time one or both spouses dont consent and they are forced to get intimate (rape depending on how you define it) until they end up enjoying it or tolerate it
fantasy rape? well hes asking about stories of rape so wouldnt they all be fantasy rape? either way rape is rape if they dont want it/say no

>Are there any writers that claim rape is the natural conclusion of the dehumanizing nature of sexuality?
Rape is just biological leftovers from when we were closer to animals, like finding violent men attractive is for women.

My brothwr was convicted of rape. Upon discussing with him while he was in prison I learned he was raped repeatedly by our father for most of his childhood. I knew my brother was weird and fistant but now I have a vague understanding as to why.

I'm not condoning his actions though. Rape is a nigger tier crime.

yes? it was good you know.

>tfw you will never crush your foes on the field of battle and then rape their qts
Why even live?

Democracy was a completely normal tradition in many ancient civilizations.

You're making an implicit claim that humans are on a higher level than animals, when it's not exactly clear that's the case. That's the end conclusion of modern scientific materialism. The gift of the Enlightement, which made man proud of his humanity, has been His ultimate degradation into a strictly determined psycho-physical machine, an animal.

Wow, way to miss the point.

I was NOT asking about ANY potential justification of rape, ANY potential classification of rape as "normal" through irrelevant Evolutionary Psychology/Biology, or ANY questions about the Mind of an actual rapist.

Jesus FUCKING Christ, you drooling morons!

My question focuses entirely on consensual sex and its inherently dehumanizing nature wherein a Person is temporarily (?) reduced to an Object from which another extracts bodily pleasure at the deliberate expense of their Personhood. Which is coincidentally (?) 99% qualitatively identical to what happens during rape, which I abhor just as much as anyone. My question being why abhor rape and not abhor sex, a functionally identical practice?

Go home Kant. If the other consents to the whole process there is nothing wrong with it. There is nothing inherently wrong with being dehumanized.

>inherently dehumanizing nature wherein a Person is temporarily (?) reduced to an Object
you are wrong

Yes sex is animalistic what's the problem

You don't know shit about biology. If the cow doesn't wanna fuck, tough luck for the bull. She can just run away when he tries to mount her. Same for cats and lots of other species.
There is a reason why female sexual selection is considered so much more important than male sexual selection in overall sexual selection.

>For almost every single animal, sex is rape.

This is the most uneducated shit I've read on this board in quite a while.

>sex is dehumanizing

Sex is literally the most natural thing and essential thing on the planet you moron.

>This is still rape by a modern college defintion pham
what isnt?

>this is what Christians and ascetics actually believe


Top kek!

>There is nothing inherently wrong with being dehumanized
>There is nothing inherently wrong with being dehumanized
>There is nothing inherently wrong with being dehumanized

Thanks for taking the to reply, Mephistopheles.

How am I wrong?

>infanticide is animalistic what's the problem
>cannibalism is animalistic what's the problem

>murder is literally the most natural thing and essential thing on the planet you moron.
>slavery is literally the most natural thing and essential thing on the planet you moron.
>infanticide is literally the most natural thing and essential thing on the planet you moron.
>human sacrifice is literally the most natural thing and essential thing on the planet you moron.

Exactly.

I'm neither a Christian nor an ascetic.

that was pre-American democracy, so it wasnt really democracy

If a person fully consents to being dehumanized are they really dehumanized? Since you are, in fact, taking their consent into consideration before having sex with them, which is an entirely human conception.

>during rape, which I abhor just as much as anyone
Take the redpill, libcuck. Rape is natural and hence good and in line with human nature

Then it's not rape, is it smart guy?

The dude was saying that sex is inherently dehumanizing. Did you even read the thread, smart guy?

>>If a person fully consents to being dehumanized are they really dehumanized?
consent is the old fantasy of control. but you do not control anything, not even your feelings, your opinions nor your tastes, nor your body.

Golly gee! What a concept! (The act of committing rape is more akin to torture than murder psychologically so mayb you should be looking for books that justify torture)
Also, Lolita fucking duh

I agree with OP.

Unlike him I am an ascetic, though.

>If a person fully consents to being dehumanized

That's even worse.

I mean I don't partake in any bodily pleasures because they are at best boring and often Morally monstrous. So I guess asceticism doesn't apply to me because I've never wanted to do it in the first place? Or does it?

Sounds like a similar kind of argument to what Cynthia Enloe likes to make, though I doubt she'd make that one exactly.

If that doesn't count as asceticism then what does? If ascetics need to have urges to resist then does christians need to have homosexual urges to resist in order to be real christians?

I have an intuitive sense that indulgence is dangerous. And I get satisfaction from controlling myself.

Don't forget the rape scene in the Fountainhead. Ayn Rand liked it rough. Won't you give it to her hard the way she wants it?

>Wherein a person is reduced to an object

This doesn't happen in all cases though. . . Sex can and does remain an intersubjective action wherein both subjects remain aware of its intersubjectivity. It's why many people draw a distinction between having sex and making love. It can be dehumanizing but it's not inherently dehumanizing as you're claiming.

>rape is the natural conclusion of the dehumanizing nature of sexuality
Feminists call this "objectification", but would never claim this to be a natural phenomenon.

Yo

anti-imperialism.org/2015/07/06/lets-talk-about-consent/

Whoa I'll read this tomorrow and report.

You are right, rape exists because of porn and video games

Brianna Wu, is that you?