Based SpaceX

yes, its called the money lottery. win that a couple of times and you can go to the moon

Went from .0000000000000000000001 chance to to .00000000000000000000015 chance.

>containing excitement only with extreme difficulty.

what did Elon mean by this?

Aldrin was 39 at the time of the moon mission.

> tfw Europoors wont be able to go to the moon

How much money does it cost? I need to know this. If it's in the low millions I'm going to the fucking moon. I might have to empty my kid's college funds but fuck that MOON TIME BITCHES

>mfw VR technology has gotten to the point that it can render the moon
Wow, and I thought plane rides looked advanced.

a falcon heavy launch starts at 90+ million

Yeah you're right. An hour or two on the moon is worth well over a lifetime of education for your children. Don't reproduce.

Its millions of dollars anyways. Even if they make it commercially available, it'll only be available to the 1% that cut funding to NASA in the first place.

How did he arrive at that figure? Does he have proof? Did he show his work? Should we simply have faith, like members of a religion, that his word is The Truth?

>+50% increase in the chances of stepping foot on the moon.

But I had a 0% chance of ever stepping on the moon before this. Dumb muskposter.

I'm extremely more than 18. No moon for me. O well.

or you could just accept death like a normal person and not worry about all that.

>Its millions of dollars anyways. Even if they make it commercially available, it'll only be available to the 1% that cut funding to NASA in the first place.

To start out with, sure. But if they actually figure out this reusability thing and can manufacture boosters that need little to no refurbishment (we'll know next month) and enough rich folks decide that going for a moon loop is the new big thing to blow money on, a snowballing economies of scale effect kicks in and things get cheap. With enough time, perhaps even overseas trip cheap.

The closest industry we have to compare this with is air travel. There margins are incredibly tight, I don't see this ever taking off.
economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2014/02/economist-explains-5

>accept death

I'm sorry, but I'm not a complete chump

Feels like a lie told by Musk so he can get some more government handouts.

Consider that by the time you're retired tickets will be affordable to the average person.

Why would they revive you? They'd probably just keep you frozen.

50% increase in your chances of being told to wait five more years every five years that you'll get to go to space. And then exploding on the pad when you finally get the chance to go 30 years later when the people who had faith in the slow and steady approach of blue origin already have self sustaining colonies on the moon.

>trying to be a normal person on purpose

Right. That's always a good plan. Normal people are definitely the most interesting.

Essentially this
t. 18 y o

We all die alone someday man even super advanced AI's, why postpone it and delay the inevitable.

So? I have much higher chance of going to Outer Mongolia but I won't because there's nothing there. And guess what the Moon has even less!

More subtle that -- he's cutting the legs ut from under the NASA trial balloon released a few days before about a lunar mission in 2019, to fight off the chance that gets funded and his slice of the pie gets smaller.

>Musk's announcement just made the actual chance of a mission happening go down.

Why would they keep you frozen when they can harvest your organs?

Instead of solving the immediate threats to our existence, tries to make the moon into fucking Disneyland.
A retarded and insulting use of power. Humans don't belong in space, We can't even survive on earth and know very little about our own planet. Space exploration lmao, kms

>Humming "Whalers on the Moon."
>Address all complaints to the Monsanto Corporation.

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>immediate threats to our existence

immediate threats to 3rd world squatter existence != immediate threats to humanity's existence

>3rd world
>I don't understand systems
>all my food and material goods come from a Walmart space factory

My food doesn't come from the equatorial belt you idiot

I'm sure some of it comes from the tropics, unless you are a farmer or some kind of ethical consumer
Why do you think the equator is the only region under existential threat?
Even if that were the case do you not get connectivity? That what happens in one place happens to the whole, with measurable effect?

I don't consider common disasters or climate reorganization a threat to our survival since we can get by in 130 degree middle eastern heat and -30 degree Russian winter

Stop buying into the shit that developed countries need to be big parents for the 3rd world and figure out a way to accommodate their 4 billion people once this planet decides to make their climate uncomfortable

If my bananas go from $2 a lb to $5 a lb I do not consider that a threat to my existence in any case

Do you not consider widespread famine a threat to your existence?
3rd world countries got to be 3rd world countries by colonialism>world bank> neoliberalism fucking them out of their shit so first world shitheads like you can throw it in the trash.
And climate change is just compounding our more immediate existential threats, our ecological problems like biodiversty loss, fishery collapse, soil degradation, ect.
You live in a created world and have no idea where your life really comes from.

Most people never accept death.

>how does it feel, user?

Feels good that I might get one day better chances to step on the moon than my grandfather.

3rd world countries get to be 3rd worlds countries because they were savages before being 3rd world countries.
And starvation in 3rd world countries is not an issue, but correcting a mistake.

Go drink some more Mountain Dew you edgy fuck. Take your brainlet rage out on our penis

Third world countries are third world contries because they are inhabited by sub 90 IQ monkies incapable of forming modern government and society. Wouldnt it be nice if everyone was perfect and equal and beautful snowflakes and we could blame everything on the evil white people?

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The executors and lawyers of my estate will stop being paid if they don't follow the instructions they've been left. Money is a powerful incentive.

There's too much stuff to do- won't fit into a standard human lifetime. I also can't choose to die.

>hates humanity
>calls others edgy

>hates humanity
No, gb2/b/ait

Trying to solve all of our problems on Earth before we start colonizing space in earnest will just result in all of us dying.

I'll gladly take Earth being a shithole, with humans distributed throughout the solar system, over Earth getting slightly nicer before our species is wiped out by a plague or natural disaster or nuclear war.

We won't even be equals. They are doomed to be economic slaves to us.

>humans spreading throughout the solar system without a functional earth
A fucking pipe dream

Misanthropy and the left go hand in hand. Either class or racial based it's always about the conflict with people.

The 3rd world is shit and will remain shit. Because the people are shit. You cannot save those that don't want to be saved. And this applies not only to those in the 3rd world. Any attempts to "solve earth's problems" are futile and only act as cover for some other goals. In your case, being no one, it's likely just ego and sense of superiority.

Niave reductionism and conservativism are positively correlated.
There is no functional separation between the 1st and 3rd world and that's some dumb reduction somebody made to describe economic inequality, that has become dogma for parrots like yourself.
My non-anthropocentric, holistic worldview is of increased utility to humanity because it is more realistic in its evaluation and analysis of the problems at hand.

>Utopianism
>More realistic

OK.

Claiming superiority to the 3rd world is how you inflate your malnourished ego actually. You can't be superior in your own right, but a category you belong to can. So you cling to notions of group idenity like a tick

How long do you think it's going to take for Earth to be "non-functional?"

>Utopianism
That's not a thing

It starts around 1979

Fine, I'm not wedded to the word, what word would you use for somebody who believes their panacea nostrums will result in a perfect world?

>the third world needs our help
>we aren't superior to the third world

When did I ever say the 3rd world needs our help?
I actually said the "3rd world" came into being by the actions of "1st world" agents to supply the demand of 1st world consumers.
The "help" "we" give the 3rd world is trading them money for their social an ecological a capital. The world bank goes in and makes a deal with the DRC government to loan them money to cut down rainforest for lumber and Palm oil production, ignores the resulting genocide and loss of biodiversty and claims to be fighting poverty. That's the kind of help being given and it's not being giving by "the left.
If anything I belive that international relations should not be a thing. And people should interact with eachother as individuals.
You're dumb and I will no longer reply to you.
Not me, Or relavant to this conversation.

>backtracking
>utopias and evil colonialism
>ur dumb

You will grow up eventually if things turn out well.
Saging to let it die.

You're a dumbo and that's not up for debate
Using Sage in that manner is a rule violation

>19yo
GOD FUCKING DAMN

Honestly would not want to go to the moon.

I'd imagine when I'm 40 or 50 I'd be already too cranky to want to fly a plane. That stuff is physically intensive. I also value my life too much to care about seeing earth from a rock and I have a fear of heights. I dread landings on an aircraft because it makes me feel weird.

well fuck you then

They aren't even landing, just going around it. I could get a nice telescope to look at the moon for much cheaper.

>valuing your life for life's sake and not the experiences contained within it

shiggy

>experiencing plummeting back to earth is a good experience
>experiencing the strains of leaving earth's orbit is a good experience

maybe if i was 20 i'd do it. but ill be like 30, 40 or 50 when this happens.

I'll have kids and I'll be cranky.

>I'll have kids

think again user

also to be technical you'd never feel any strain when you 'left Earth orbit' because you'd be inside Earth's sphere of influence the entire time, except when you approached the moon. You'd pull some G's for a few minutes during the launch then you'd be in zero G for about a week until you hit the Earth's upper atmosphere again after the whole moon flyby business, which would entail another few minutes worth of G's pulled until landing.

>Famine

Famine is an interesting term. It implies a shortage of food for a given population supply. Since the United States (my country) has the potential to create enough food for my country's people 20x over, that term doesn't apply to me.

It may apply to 3rd world shitholes where irresponsible parents made the decision to have 8 kids apiece with meager resources.

I guess what I'm saying is no matter how you cut it your doomsday scenario doesn't apply to me. The worst I can expect is less convenience and higher prices, not an existential threat.

Funnily enough this is probably the kind of cuck that supports "black lives matter" or "feminism"

>thinks America has good potential to produce crops
>doesn't know a thing about American agricultural production, water usage, soil degradation, the extreme lack of crop diversity, or this compounded by climate change and scarce resources in other places.
Forget your bigotry, you're a delusional fuck. It's Armageddon, it's a potato blight but we're the potatoes

non pol answers.

You legitimately have a terrible terrible understanding of post colonial history. Surprising for someone who claims to care so much about the so called third world, you haven't even bothered to carefully research the historical context of these countries.

You know what commonality the poorest countries in the world share? Terrible governments. Not colonialism. Proof? Singapore. India.

I was born in Burma, a country colonized by Britain and Japan for about 100 years and I can say without a doubt that Britain gave Burma the technology that our former royalty never saw the importance of.

And after the Japanese and British left, socialism ruined the country. Burma was the largest producer of Rice in Southeast Asia prior to World War II and the second largest producer in all of Asia.

Burma was well on its way to enter the world as developing economy but is now stunted for more than 60 years of technological, economic and social progress. And it has nothing to do with colonialism, world bank or neoliberalism and everything to do with socialism and corrupt governments.

And to add to that, technology will save poor countries. Money won't save them. No amount of help will save these countries as they will only become dependent on the technologically advanced first world. If you seek true independence, you must let technology find its way into these populations and let its own populations find a way out of poverty.

The idea that we must be "help" is a fucking patronizing. Those people aren't babies and its not your burden to help them. This is just to feed your own ego and so called "virtue" just like the colonists from an era ago. You aren't helping anyone so fuck off.

>bigotry

I don't remember ever making a bigoted statement. Is it possible for you to go a post or two without pulling a typical libtard pejorative out of your gaping gay asshole?

I don't support black lives matter besides seeing that it is addressing very real problems, I detest idenitarian politics. I am a feminist but not in any political sense, besides for advocating for libertarian freedoms.
Youre a reactionary stuck in a trap with other reactionaries

>You know what commonality the poorest countries in the world share?
Low average IQ
>20 Myanmar (Burma) 87

Obviously other shit matters too, like democracy being forced on low IQ countries to destroy them.

>it is addressing very real problems
Yea the very real problem of black people going to prison for their crimes
How outrageous

>my group identity politics are better than yours

I'm glad you admitted it at least, even if it was half assed

Colonialism is was just the beginning. And no, territories got off relatively easily compared to the countries exploited by economic forces.
Saying the state of Burma had nothing to do with the powers shaping international relations is pretty unrealistic.
Again, I never said it was anyone's duty to help "them", I actually said the help is what has fucked them up. If somebody wants to help them they would do so as an individual making an effort. I just detested the idea that money can help, and I am skeptical that technological progress can save even the "1st world". The only hope is to rebuild functional socio-ecological systems, and technology certainly plays a part in that. The global economy as we know it, has to go.
Is English not your first language?

But I'm an individualist. What I was saying is all the people into group-idenity are the problem. You know the sjw WomYn and the men's rights activist, all retarded. Feminism was literally just about a more inclusive worldview before the dumbos got involved
>iq
Spotted the /pol/tard
prison is barbaric and should only be reserved for heinous, violent crimes. Being sent to prison is being sentenced to a life of "crime" and poverty. The return rate is like 60% for released inmates, prison doesn't work.

Does not matter to death, it all comes out the same either way.

Don't engage them,friend. Report, hide and move n.

>40
>too cranky to fly
Ya bro
40 is ancient you'll be lucky if you can get around without a walker

If something can be objectively quantified it can be objectively judged.

This is true. And there are many metrics that would suggest 1st world superiority.

Superiority cannot be objectively quantified. It's not an objective concept.
And judging is subjective by nature, judging relies on abstracted values. The word you are looking for is analyze, and analysis is limited to the data set being anaylized, which in this case is ridiculously small for the conclusions being reached and is biased in what is being anaylized and in how the analysis is carried out.
It's okay, you are biologically predisposed to be naive and reductive, systems thinking and its implications need to be learned. Poor little brainlet thinks he is being objective

>the eternal subjectivist will not stop trying to obfuscate every argument

>argument
Lmao

>Superiority cannot be objectively quantified

Would you say a computer built in 1990 is somehow superior to a computer built within the last few years? A computer built within the last few years is faster and more efficient.

Here is another question - if you had the choice between medical treatment in a first world country and treatment by tribal witch doctors in the third world which would you choose?

The only place where superiority is a subjective question is in the arts.

>on the launchpad to go to the moon
>fuck yes this is it!
>rocket explodes like all of SpaceX's rockets do
>Elon Musk gives PR statement
>"they knew the risks kek thanks for the dosh retards"

why wait? why not just kys now?

Let's dictate "life" "living" and "existence" to be some of the only objective qualifiers and "superiority" to be the notion of being able to give or take that away at will

Many 1st world nations could fully subsidize the existence of 3rd world countries, as well as extinguish their populations in a week through military force, indicating superiority

Superiority is a judgement of intrinsic value. I don't see how you can seriously claim abstracted values like power and potential to be objective, this is the realm of metaphysics.
Nations are not alive, and they do not represent their constituents. This comparison must be done on an individual level. A group of people is not a being it is a category of reduction.
I don't see how a human could be superior to, or even metaphysically seperate from a tree, let alone life as closely related and interconnected as humans and humans

These decisions are based off of abstracted utilitarian values, very subjective.
Objectivity is descriptive, 2+2=4, there are x leaves on a tree, some butterflies pollinate some flowering plants, ect
And that is the realm of the natural sciences.
You mindlets claiming your 2-bit metaphysics to be objective is the cringiest thing I have seen today