What's worse neoliberalism or fascism?

What's worse neoliberalism or fascism?

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maybe neoliberalism, with fascism you know that something is wrong but neoliberalism is like frostbite and invisible chains that guide you to the end the power holders want instead of ordering you like fascism

damn...........

usa has been fascist since 1930s

no

each have their own downsides
if you enjoy taking corporate dick up the ass then fascism is worse

leave

what's the distinction?

Everything is fascism when you don't know what it means or when you are trying to slander people

you are the ones with broken definitions

At least their isn't an ideology that tries to pass itself off as a non-ideology with fascism

lets hear yours

>worse
Even Communism.

>Even Communism.
of course
t. Nick Land

Two sides of the same coin.

It keeps happening!

So fragile, no wonder they want nice daddy state to look after them and shield them from different opinions.

It's Trump who wants to use daddy state to shield white trash from ebul niggers, mexicans and foreign business.

>ebul niggers, mexicans and foreign business

The first two are measurably bad though. Nobody has ever proved that diversity or feminism are valuable per se.

S P O O K E D

That's not the point though. If you're going to pull the liberturd "hurr nanny state" you can't approve of a protectionist. Not that libertarians actually have principles.

Fascism started a war that killed over 60 million people, so...that.

>principals
S P O O K E D
Like a hundred million my man.

Why does wanting limited government make me a libertarian? I'm not some sort of Randroid, I just think enough's enough. Pretty textbook conservatism. Don't you think it's disturbing how these people desire shelter from reality? The safe spaces, the problem with free speech, the frantic reaction to Trump. . .you'd think that Count Dracula had won the election.

>Implying it wouldn't have happened anyway

You think that Russia was just going to twiddle it's thumbs? They had already invaded Poland, Finland, and the Baltic States before getting their shit ruined by the Wehrmacht. Not to mention the brutal suppression of the Ukrainians in the 1930s. Eventually Russia and Germany were going to have a brutal war, it wouldn't matter if it was Hitler in charge or some other leader.

In 1914 the oh so innocent Imperial Germans were already planning to commit genocide in Eastern Europe so it's not like the Fascists did anything new or surprising.

Raising the voting age to at least 25 would go a long way towards saner societies.
Instead we're seeing the opposite trend, with some countries lowering the voting age to 16 and whatnot.

>fuck white men
>they are all racist misogynistic scum
and these 'neoliberalists' don't see a contradiction in this.
they go out and protest the results of a legitimate democratic election.
fascism is bad, but I don't know if brainwashed 'progressives' agressively denying anything that doesn't fit their imagined state of the world is any better.

Fascism is better, but it requires a pretty hard heart. Modern man is so soft, and his Western sensibilities so easily offended, that there's no threat of real fascism any time soon.

You know what would make society truly sane? Putting you in charge. That's right! We should just put you in charge and everything would be sorted out.

Why aren't we doing this? God, people are so stupid.

>Le strawman faec

I thought by now you people would realize that more democracy is NOT better. So far it's gotten you Brexit and Trump.

You should be happy to see more limitations placed upon the populist masses.

Why do you think I think democracy is better?

You're not -gasp- setting up a strawman, are you?

Both.

>le stirner maymay man thinks anything is "bad"

You sound pretty spooked, friend.

I think I should bust you.

You'll know what I'm talking about when you get older.
People in their teens and early 20s are generally clueless about society and politics.
Only later (when they start looking for work and/or start a family) they gain enough insight.

If you check the voting results and all that stuff you'll see that youngsters often stand out like a sore thumb.
They keep making political decisions which they'd end up regretting 10, 20 or 50 years later.
Being young with no responsibilities is an exceptional state overall. The vast majority of life is not lived that way.

>You'll know what I'm talking about when you get older.
I know what you're talking about right now.

A false left right dichotomy is bad. So is the state.

You sound pretty spooked, friend.

reminder for mods to never delete the containment threads they make themselves

I hate stirnerposters so goddamn much

I am and will always remain unspooked.

If there's a minimum age requirement then there should also be a maximum age cap. Voters between 25 and 60 for example. Everyone else is irrelevant, not functional or insane and can fuck off.

thank god democracy will end before you people get away with shit like that

I kinda agree actually, although that's harder to pull off (and maybe 60 is a tad too low).

voting age is not the problem. people staying mental children well into their 30s is a problem.

#totallyNotRacist

/pol/ was a mistake.

When I was in school there was this gaggle of fourteen year olds who all congratulated each other on their clear-headed conservatism. They took the Myers-Briggs test until they got the result they wanted: INTP.

You must accept that no one is a "mental child". They're just adults. That's what adults are like.

>Fascism started a war
systems of rule don't start things

its funny because its not only racist but also a sexist and ageist statement

>They're just adults. That's what adults are like.
im not one of those fags who things you need some signs of maturity like reading X books or some shit like that but I expect more mental fortitude from an adult. adult does not fall into a fetal postion when their candidate does not win

Yes they do.

Your expectations are delusional.

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>Yes they do.
no they don't. its not 9/11, your whole family was not just killed by some African warlord while you were raped and forced to watch. if a paper cut can causes you a need to take off 2 weeks of works to deal with the emotional trauma then you are a child

There is literally nothing wrong with neoliberalism.

Free trade is just people wanting to trade with each other. How does it exploit anyone? A country opens up to the world markets and suddenly there are jobs and foreign investment and western journalists everywhere exposing poverty and crying and whining over every tiny thing. How is that not good?

We can't have global unfettered capitalism sooner.

We're hitting triggered levels that shouldn't even be possible.

Definitely not.

t. Unironic Fascist

>posting a link to a webm on an imageboard

Motherfucker adults cry over sports games and soap operas.

You really, really want people to be what they aren't.

socialism and communism

Farage would use the term nanny state, stop trying to make his language non class based af.

me too user

People from 18-25 voted against Trump and Brexit. This is exactly the limitation we DON'T need, especially because they'll be affected most. If anything, we should ban voting over 70. You won't live long enough to experience the consequences of your votes.

Plus if your goal really is avoiding another brexit/Trump, that would make sense.

facism is better for the left

but this is not like any type of facism we've evr seen

>what was the 2012 election conservative salt pile
>what are creationists and Bible bangers making laws against people who have a different world view and throwing a tantrum when the people want something different
Come on.

NeoLiberalism for sure, they make up reality and change definitions as they go, they are impossible to debate. At least with facism you know what you're getting.

fascism is better because at least it's honest

>Made up reality vs Made up reality
>changing definitions vs wrong definitions
You're not convincing me. They're equally shit and run by shit people. Come back and talk to me when we DON'T have a fucking creationist who believes the world was created 6000 years ago as head of education next election.

Both systems are going to tell what to believe and behave in conform with the main ideology, but neo-liberalism is much more perverse in its orders.

Fascism will tell that you should do A otherwise you're an enemy of the nation/people and you'll banished, tortured and killed, fine; but in the West, today, it works this way: you have the 'free' choice to do whatever you want, but if you choose B you're ignorant, intelligent, progressive people will only do A, which is much, MUCH more persuasive than the fascist system. You have an illusion of free choice, you think you are thinking for yourself, and even worse than that: you're going to hell and back to defend the very same technocrats and charismatic figures you're just another battery for.

>all these angry replies
Every major contestant of WWII – including the great Asian powers Japan and China – developed fascist governance to an advanced state. The essential feature was state seizure of the economy’s ‘commanding heights’ in the delegated (and integrated) ‘popular interest’. During war time such interest is peeled back to sheer survival, and thus publicized with dramatic intensity, which is also to say with an unusual absence of skepticism. Fascism is therefore broadly identical with a normalization of war-powers in a modern state, that is: sustained social mobilization under central direction. Consequently, it involves, beside the centralization of political authority in a permanent war council, a tribal hystericization of social identity, and a considerable measure of economic pragmatism. Fascism is practical socialism, distinguished from its dim cousin by its far more sophisticated grasp of incentives, or of human nature in its motivated individual and tribal particularity.

"Hate" is a spook

Can you write it in plain English please?:

Hey! That pic was taken right across the street from my office! :^)

>far more sophisticated grasp of incentives, or of human nature in its motivated individual and tribal particularity.

My god, I cannot wait for millenials to be completly wiped off in terms of having political influence and for gen z to take over. They are our only hope, I believe in them and think they're smart enough to think for themselves over this neo-liberalism bullshit. Basing this off my little 15 year old brother and some of his friends, they're surprisingly aware and even religious and don't buy into this liberal era bullshit. Gives me hope tbqhwyfam.

Can someone elaborate on the truthfulness of this?
t. uneducated sheep

It's much easier to follow an ideology when you believe you're doing it on your own free will. Whereas rebellion is always a consequence of fascism, neo-liberalism will give you the illusion of having a free choice then belittle you, humiliate you, question your intelligence if you don't follow their specific theories.

Can you recommend some books to read on similar matters? I'd like to cease being a sheep.

>I'd like to cease being a sheep.

No such thing, there is only a level of awareness of how much of a sheep you're.

Trick question they're the same thing

You are being enslaved by yourself and everyone around you

Don't really know any, haven't looked into all that much, I'm mostly just making assumptions based off what has been happening in the west in the past decade or two. either way you've got the internet, as vague as that sounds just start with the Veeky Forums top 100, find what you like then branch off from there into specific topics you like

So enlighten me

Start with the Greeks. Plato.

The tradshedy of our predicament when we are within ideology ish that when we think that we eshcape it into our dreamsh, at that point we are within ideology. *sniff*

Legit question, and one that never gets answered: Are you people retarded in conflating communism and statism? I'm a communist and I despiste the state as much as I despise capital, and it seems pretty obvious how both organisms complement each other.

Shall I begin with Plato's Republic?

NO, start with the trial of Socrates ffs.

My dude, I'm from Brazil, and we had a pretty similar situation, a corrupt "left" winger demagogue riding on the IM A WIMEN vs. a retarded rich boy who never really had to work, except here, the left won, and people were so mad they actually had to impeach her.

A coworker of mine started GOING TO THE FUCKING PSYCHIATRIST because the left won the elections.

"Start with the greeks" is a meme, don't fall for it.

>I'm a communist.

Most people in these threads think seem to think communism = Stalinism for whatever reason

The very fact you spell neoliberalism as NeoLiberalism shows you have absolutely no idea what liberalism entails in this situation and ironically uses the made up american definition.

Why do burgers have the right to opinions again?

samefag

Anyway,
>being a communist
>in 2016

Bet you're also an atheist too

Both

What's scary is that you're serious

>samefag
:^)

>Bet you're also an atheist too
>drinking the opium of the masses

Okay. What do you propose I read, then?

>I'd like to cease being a sheep.
>asks others for advice

How do you guys respond to your idiotic friends sending you news links about the stupidity of the protests and how Trump isn't a racist and all of the extremely surface level arguments? One friend sent me some long "Open Letter to Those Who Think I'm a Racist" thing from The Odyssey and I sort of told her that if she thinks that's a cutting edge argument then she should a retard.

I ask, because I'm reading this thread and seeing less shallow comprehension of rhetoric and behavior surrounding the recent week's election and hope maybe you people know whether I should attempt to inform or instead just agree and say "yeah wow racism is uncool b"

>implying that being religious means you believe it magically solves all your life problems and makes everything gay as shit sprinkles

now thats just embarrassing right there, shouldn't you be posting trap porn on b?

She is* a retard
Ironic typo

Millennials, everybody- point and laugh, they'll soon be irrelevant in 5 years.

liberalism is a false religion that worships weakness, disease and perversion and shames the Strong for their superiority. Leftism is but an infantile disorder, it is a futile attempt to defy natural law. But the New Dawn is nigh. We shall return to the values of our ancestors: honour power and brutality. May cucks tremble before our might