Is he right, Veeky Forums?

>What bullshit. In most countries (especially in Europe)
please note that Euro universities are shit except for the UK.
Thanks.

Undergrad education is fucking pointless and only overrated by brainlets. Once you reach PhD level, you can teach yourself any undergrad material on your own much faster. Just do a math degree with a physics minor. Anything you missed in undergrad physics, you pick up a book and learn it as soon as you need it.

This. CS/Math here. If I wanted to graduate on time, I could easily do so, but at the expense of doing only the barebones of CS and math to graduate. E.g. I would never take big boy Real Analysis/Complex Analysis. So I'm doing an extra semester

Also fuck liberal arts, just read books

Yeah, offering tenure to attract the best professors, and charging students more than any other country in the world to pay for everything.

>European "universities"

Agreed 2bh, I took every 400 level math course the department offered even though it wasn't required. What's the point of graduating if you don't learn anything?

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You don't actually believe all top universities are located in the US... right? The 'top universities in the world'-lists are all bullshit and value things in a retarded way. You actually believe the US out of all fucking countries have the best universities?
What about China, or Singapore, or Hong Kong, or Taiwan or... and so on. None of their universities beat the top US one? If you believe this you're delusional.
You guys definitely pay the most for going to university though, I'll give you that

>UC Berkeley
Brainlet university. Only reason you should go to a UC is because you're poor and undergraduate. And then, the only UC undergrad worth going to is UCLA. If you don't get into MIT/Caltech/that tier for grad school, you shouldn't be a scientist.

Math curriculums are particularly egregious about this. Because of all the aspiring elementary school teachers and "lol I didnt know what to major in so I did math" they make it easy

Not sure how it is at most universities but we had a separate math education major that didn't require any difficult math courses.

>Ph.D in math and physics
>any job I want
>600k starting

No :D

Not sure who he is but there is some truth to it.

Arts courses would have a lot more legitimacy if they catered for people doing real degrees (STEM) to branch out through electives, even if it doesn't go anywhere.

The current model where arts degrees are targeted at laymans coming straight out of high school is flawed and only serves to fund universities deceptively. Especially when these people never study a real course in their whole degree.

You should be required to have a background in something, anything, in order to study these toilet paper arts courses/degrees - you need real world experience for them to have any context. If you did that, then they could cease to be toilet paper degrees.

nobel prizes.
nuff said.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_laureates_by_country

Oh look, a bunch of people from other countries in the US laureates.

But wouldn't his argument also work against majoring in Physics and Literature? Or Math and History? You could always say "But you could be studying Piano or Swimming instead!"

>spot the Chinese

if you're not already at an ivy league just study something else and minor in math

If you think there is a "top" university anywhere you're a fucking idiot.

There are powerhouses scattered all over the globe.

A lot are in the US; you're gonna have to get un-mad about that.

>it's a eurofag thinks his schools are even close to the ones in the US episode

If you have enough time to double major with the extra classes, just double down and graduate in 3 years.

Now double majoring in math and physics isn't the worst idea though. I still stand buy a masters being a better option, but I guess itll help if you want to do something in applied math. Just please please don't ever triple major. Biggest waste of time and money ever. There is literally no justification for this...ever.

GDP of China (BEST CASE SCENARIO) is 60% of US.

More cash for research = higher draw for top tier researchers = higher output of intellectual property = better universities

If you're in a good physics program you'd just do research instead of math

>falling for the double major meme

>double major meme
what do you mean by this?

Almost as if top researchers from all over the world go to the US due to higher funding or something.

lol you are stupid. Europe has aryan race which is why we have smart research making prize.

I think the viewpoint comes across as a bit shallow, but it makes sense really. The assumption, I think, is that you're double majoring because you feel that mastering both those subjects makes you more useful, or more able to contribute to either field. You get the prestige of studying physics and the superiority of studying pure mathematics. It's an incredibly vast and applicable knowledge pool to draw from. At least on the surface.

They are certainly complimentary subjects, but does it actually make you any better as a physicist or a mathmetician in the long run? Maybe. Maybe not. If you actually end up applying that knowledge to your field than sure it's worthwhile, but in the end it's just another bachelors degree. And it's just a bachelors in a field with significant overlap already. It's not as though you'll be a rarity. You won't stand out like a philosophy double major which signifies verbal reasoning and analytical writing skills a cut above other stem majors, or the topical potency of an environmental related major, or a language double major with global prospects, or even the simple well roundedness and eccentricity of someone with a degree in an art.

Ultimately it's about how you want to spend your time. If that double major brings you joy than go for it. If it's adding to your toolbox of problem solving skills that you plan to use than go for it, but if you just want to be a really good scientist or mathmetician than just focus on being that. The double major will probably only hamper your growth. I mean someone with the work ethic to double major but who instead decides to devote their time just to physics is probably gonna be a better physicist than someone double majoring regardless of the subject.

The point, I think, is that specializing so firmly in STEM as an undergrad is kinda pointless. There isn't much benefit to specializing as an undergrad and there's a lot of benefits to staying broad.

Even the "top" universities in the US aren't the best universities to learn at. They're too focused on researching to give the best possible education.

The dirty secret is that pretty much every undergraduate education is the same, as long as you at least go to a decent state school. What varies is the culture surrounding the education and what you choose to make of your undergraduate.
This

This is the best course of action if you're planning to go all the way to PhD. There aren't very many things in undergrad physics to learn, especially if you have a good amount of math. Some classical mechanics, some special relativity and basic general relativity, some statistical mechanics, and lots of quantum mechanics. Physics majors might disagree but this stuff is much easier to learn than the important math. Now just start doing QFT however you want.

You have to take graduate courses in undergrad to get into a good graduate program. Graduating early by just taking the requirements will screw yourself over. Other students will have taken longer to graduate and taken more impressive courses and thus better recommendation letters. Graduating early doesn't make you look better in applications in fields like math/cs/physics since your age isn't relevant.

If you double major, you will have zero research and will not get into grad school because you'll have a second major to do. NOBODY double majors if they want to actually compete for spots.

>literature, world events, languages, music, art, poetry
why would i major in any of those?

That makes zero sense. When you double major, you effectively fill up your open electives with the major requirements of another major. It takes the same amount of time and the same course load, except now you get recognized in another field, the trade off is only that you wont get to fuck around and take w/e the fuck you want depending on your priority at the time.

We have the best Unis but the British system of getting into college is better

It is almost universally recognized by educated people that the top US universities (HYPSM) are better than any other country's top university except for Oxbridge, which is just as good as HYPSM and is always ranked among them. After them is usually U Tokyo, the Swiss federal university in Zurich, and then maybe Universiry of Toronto are just after that and then you get mired in the rest of top American and British universities before you reach other country's top universities.

Um, no? That may be true for a minor, but another major requires considerably more work than filling up your electives.

If you're planning on staying in academia, double majoring is usually pointless. That said, if you plan to actually make money Finance + absolutely anything in STEM is very valuable. Especially math.

not when there is significant overlap between the two majors. CS+Math fits together snugly, its harder in the sense that you cant take many shit tier grade boosting electives, but it takes the same time. Both take 120 credits both take four year @ 5 courses a semester.