The video is made by a brainlet as well, but look at the normies in the comments. None of them were able to grasp the ultra simplistic ideas presented in the video, yet I'm supposed to believe they are smart to be atheists. Atheism is the religious fundamentalism of the weak minded. Chickens and dogs are atheists also. It's the default state. "Atheists" should just admit that they aren't very good at philosophy and just want a free pass to be a degenerate drug addict, slut, hedonist, masturbator, or NEET.
Jaxson Phillips
The fanatical atheists are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who—in their grudge against traditional religion as the "opium of the masses"—cannot hear the music of the spheres.
- Albert Einstein
Hudson Rodriguez
wow that argument is just terrible not only that the video has nothing to do with mathematics
Benjamin Cox
Check 'em
Brody Torres
>math is right >how can i use math to assert god exists >ill make numbers up and compare them
Josiah Richardson
You don't get it. The point was that there is a relative difference between those probabilities. The numbers don't matter; he only had to put them there because "a > b > c" is too abstract for JewTube viewers. He was right btw. In a universe with a God, is the existence of complex life like humans more or less possible than in a universe without God?
Christian Rodriguez
>muh anthropic principle
You're forgetting the part where the universe is mosly irradiated empty space and all life will die before the eventual heat death of the universe.
Jaxon Miller
if religion is the opium of the masses, then atheism is the PCP of the masses.
Kevin Adams
lol
Jaxson Richardson
Red herring. That we will all die doesn't make our existence any less wondrous. We all know the universe is a heartless place of mostly nothing. Knowing that actually only weakens the possibility that conscious matter (e.g., us) could come to existence purely by the same forces that produced that heartless, desolate empty space of radiation.
Jonathan White
>Chickens and dogs are atheists also. Prove it
Angel Miller
>The universe is about me, the 10*10^-99 % part of the 5% part that is visible matter.
Jackson Cooper
Let's assume a Creator exists. To create anything de novo, the Creator would need to have some capacity to think. The culmination of a universe made by a (implicitly thinking) Creator would be something else that can also think and create on a smaller scale, like humans, would it not? If only unconscious non-visible matter existed, there would be less evidence for a Creator since it does not share any meaningful qualities with a Creator. Humans in this way can be the fingerprint of a Creator.
Connor Morris
>believe in dark matter
>make fun of people who believe in god
i don't get it.
>Let's assume a Creator exists. To create anything de novo, the Creator would need to have some capacity to think.
non sequitor
Nicholas Ross
>non sequitor s/think/create and it would ultimately mean the same thing.
James Clark
Asked my dog if he believes in god. He laughed at me and walked out of the room.
Benjamin Reed
Let's assume that you never made if past 1st year and that you're masturbating to tranny porn in your mom's basement right now. Let's assume you got blown the fuck out.
Nathaniel Perry
it's highly ironic, to me, that someone who is incapable of imagining (something at the center of reality) as anything but 'a person', (anthropomorphizing), who thinks, (and thus has dialogue, ego, id, personality, the artifacts of a brain, which is what thinks), has the gall to make fun of people who believe in god.
did it occur to you that maybe your cartoonish concepts of 'god' were actually a reflection of your lack of imagination, or fundamental childishness? and that other people who think of god actually see him as more of a central animating force of the universe to whom to ascribe the process of 'thinking' is like saying that a surgeon is 'just someone who cuts things' or that a supercomputer 'just does math problems' or that a lightbulb is 'basically a star'?
it's not my problem that you can't imagine god as something besides a person, a caricature of some guy with a big white beard that acts like a father or something.
Jordan Morales
>It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
-Albert Einstein
Landon Gomez
>a personal god
albert einstein didn't believe in a childs idea of god. and thought atheists were dumb.
Benjamin Wright
He outright called himself agnostic.
Robert Phillips
so he didn't believe in a childs idea of god and thought atheists were dumb? i stand corrected.
Gavin Cook
>a mathematical take on the kca
kek
Lets not as anthropomorphizing is blasphemy.
mashallah brother
Jacob Adams
I find it amusing that you are so conceited in your own opinion that you believe God is restricted to our rules of consistency and reality, more so when I consider that a God (by definition) originates from a point outside of the bounds of the system in which we exist.
It's also amusing that you presume to understand the ways of such a God. Is your imaginative capacity so little that you can't justify why a God might assume the form of a man toward some divine end?
Your finger is pointing in a direction opposite the one you desire.
Adam Walker
>and that other people who think of god actually see him as more of a central animating force of the universe to whom to ascribe the process of 'thinking' is like saying that a surgeon is 'just someone who cuts things' or that a supercomputer 'just does math problems' or that a lightbulb is 'basically a star'? >implying implications which were not implied
I'll reiterate >a Creator must create things and think to do so >humans also create things and think to do so >humans share more of a connection to a Creator than inanimate matter >thus it is valid to see the universe in anthro-centric terms if a Creator exists
You seem to be in favor of pantheism or a conception of an impersonal God as an incomprehensible 10^googol dimensional ghost that makes everything happen. That kind of God would make everything I said irrelevant, but it's basically a redefinition of "God." You can bypass any argument by claiming you had something else in mind than the commonly accepted language of the debate. Everyone knows that the type of God mentioned in the West is specifically a personal God.
Justin Miller
I wouldn't say that the chance of humans existing without God is a low probability. The eventual existence of an intelligent enough species to make a youtube video like this is essentially an inevitability because of evolution.
The argument also begs the question, because it assumes that God exists in order to come up its probabilities. That this is why historically mankind, every time it lacks an answer, assumes the existence of God in the first place. "How can X exist without God?" - it's no different. The premise is different, but it's fundamentally the same thing. I was expecting actual math, but I got the same argument in a different format.
Jaxson Rogers
What are the odds of God existing without meta-God?
Ayden Diaz
all these baseless assumptions about what *I* think. i haven't told you a fuckin thing about what i believe about god, have i? i could be an atheist, i could be a mormon, i could be a muslim or a taoist or some custom religion. for all you know i've actually seen god and have nothing at all to say about him.
you have no idea what i think, and i've given you no information whatsoever to make a guess with. and yet here you are talking out of your ass. get outta my sight.
>the creator must think
no. thinking isn't even a well defined event, being rather something we can only refer to by metaphor, let alone something we can ascribe to 'god'. for all you know, 'thinking' could be what makes us nongod, and there's something better than thinking. it's actually more reasonable and likely than the childish scenario you imagine.
>redefinition of god
give me a fucking break. did you get this shit out of a square hardcover book with 11 brightly colored pages?
>the type of god defined -
(it's not defined whatsofuckingever, in fact there's no word with worse definition than god)
>- in the west is a personal god.
according to your picture books. you clearly don't have any sort of background in studying theology or religion or spirituality or esotericism; and you really shouldn't be making these sorts of statements, because you're not qualified to do so.
Parker Smith
You're right. I know only what you've said, and what you've said implies what I noted. I'm sorry you're upset with yourself.
>i've given you no information whatsoever
Hold on there, cowboy: no need to be so down on yourself. Those strings of characters you posted bear some meaning. Unless you're just extremely lucky, it seems you do have at least an elementary capacity to express ideas.
Luke James
>Is your imaginative capacity so little that you can't justify why a God might assume the form of a man toward some divine end? No, my powers of reasoning are too great. Reading your other posts I thought you might be some quasi-enlightened deist. It turns out you're just another brainless Bible-thumper.
>omniscient omnipotent God creates everything >creates humanity even though He knows it will suffer >punishes humanity for existing in an imperfect state >basically destroys the entire world because He knows He fucked up >relents; decides to give humanity another shot >thousands of years later, He appears incarnate to very few people >"if you worship me you get to go to Heaven even if you're a baby-raping mass murderer. Just say you're sorry and really mean it" >"brb" >fucks off for two thousand years
Alternatively,
>the universe exists because it does >intelligent life capable of examining the universe exists only because the universe is capable of supporting said life and sufficient time has passed >what happens after death shall forever remain a mystery
I'll go with the second one because it makes a lot more sense than an old book written by sunstruck goat fuckers in the desert four millennia before germ theory.
Reply to this if you want me to insult you further.
Eli Lopez
>making assumptions about assumptions made about you >leddit spacing pic related.
So what is your "non-childish" philosophy, pray tell?
Brandon Russell
>>leddit spacing
>has no argument so he complains about an enter press >calls others childish
Luke Price
haha, very funny. not. i don't appreciate you attempting such dishonesty with me.
>the universe exists because it does
makes sense to you and you're unable to imagine anything more complex than childrens picture books as the meaning behind religions.
i keep hearing about this 'r3ddit spacing' from everyone else, but i don't actually know what you're talking about. you don't exactly conduct yourself in such a way that motivates me to dignify you with what i think.
Dominic Ortiz
>i keep hearing about this 'r3ddit spacing' from everyone else, but i don't actually know what you're talking about
You hit enter after the quoted text. I recommend continuing to do it just to trigger him.
Jose Mitchell
>reading your other posts
Would you please serenade me more with tales of your intellect? This is especially riveting when I consider that I've posted exactly 0 times before the post you're quoting.
>the rest of this post
This is an interesting choice you're giving me here. Let's see: I get to pick between
>12-year-old's first edgy interpretation of Abrahamic religion
or
>circular logic followed by 'wat happen iz mistery :^)'
Lucky me! I do quite enjoy this selection you've given me, but I choose option (c), the less edgy one where I come to a conclusion that involves some form of genuine understanding of theology.
If you wish to continue in this rather amusing attempt to 'insult me' [read: thrashing and semi-coherent ranting], be my guest.
Hunter Fisher
>t. boipussi violated by a priest
Jason Moore
i think we need to take up temporary nametags to avoid confusion. i'm Dee and the following are the posts i've made.
Kevin Baker
actually i didn't make this one, my mistake.
Isaiah Stewart
Have a gold star for effort.
Edginess it's also an aproach to morality, and it's a rather popular one, You equate not being morally trained, it's like we don't have poop training.
Not necessarily wrong, but rude nonetheless.
Jayden Peterson
>God doesn't exist and creationism is stupid >We're living in a simulation like in The Matrix
what's the difference?
Connor Roberts
>what's the difference? Endorsement by the hip and trendy people.
James Fisher
They just ramble about probability and expect you to forget the question.
Isaiah Phillips
what does morality have to do with it? presuming as you do that modern christians and ancient hebrew believe in the same caricature of a man with a long white beard up in the clouds, the ancient people led by moses believed in a MARKEDLY different morality, in fact a savage one, than modern christians. these parties however have to agree it's the same god.
it would actually be more accurate to say that a person chooses to believe in a god that conforms to their moral beliefs, rather than vice versa. after all, who today has true faith? haven't we learned that belief follows action rather than action following belief?
there isn't really, they're epistemological equivalencies.
>the matrix is god, an arbitrary experience
>without god, reality is superficial going-ons
thus the atheist interprets god as the force which allows reality to be inherently superficial. he attempts to sublimate lack of faith in arbitrary meaning to a positive faith in the meaninglessness of meaning.
Liam Reed
A lot, God concept vary from person to person.
The act of watching and understanding the movie matrix, it's more of a meme than other thing.
Because you still have present the source material for the theory, you can track back mentally how it cames to be, in that sense makes more sense for some people.
It's a different phenomenon God, a lot more complex and at the same time less tangible.
Jaxon Hughes
so the theist vs the atheist is the arbitrary vs the superficial, in terms of our inability to completely explain anything at all?
Isaiah Butler
I don't mean literally the matrix, but I see no difference between saying that "There's a God that created the universe and is the source of all things that I am experiencing" and saying "Descartes' Demon is real and is the source of all things that I am experiencing"
Michael Sanders
I believe in god( a buzzword to describe the ultimate collective mind( who is currently manifested as me, as is everything I perceive which is also me at another time( which is nonlinear ))) and am all of those things, ez, btfo
/thread
Zachary Hall
Got any experiments we can do to prove this or would you tell us to kneel before the temple of NASA with their unconvincing CGI and greenscreen? If so, this is a science board, pls go
youtu.be/Eq_JjYJPWAc
Dylan Evans
"Your own personal Jesus" was just a song. By admitting you believe in a twisted and interpreted version of the Biblical God, which in turn has been so acted upon throughout the ages, you must also understand you are not anywhere closer to the truth than an agnostic or atheist.
Tyler Davis
Assume a god with high probabilty to make humans. The chances he makes humans is high. Video
Eli Roberts
There is not point in pantheistic/pandeistic God. It's just some fancy hipster identities for atheists.
Christian Jackson
It's threads like these that show Veeky Forums is a smarter board. The amount of bad reasoning and fedoratism from both sides is astounding. Unless you're all underage you should consider killing yourself asap.
David Lopez
militant atheists are just as dumb as bible thumpers. protip: it's a pointless debate and taking either side is equally stupid.
Anthony Flores
At least we are competent in our field of interest. Have you ever read something Veeky Forums has written?
Nolan Russell
Holy shit that video was fucking retarded
I feel sorry for the Americans that have to be surrounded by this and worse every day
Dylan Williams
It's literature/philosophy discussion, not creative writing board. Have you read about any Veeky Forums research contributions?
