So what's going on with this thing? Why are they so quiet? Where's the exciting discoveries they promised?

So what's going on with this thing? Why are they so quiet? Where's the exciting discoveries they promised?

The LHC isn't about science, it's about engineering. You can't make any discoveries with the LHC because the results would be unusable.

But aren't they trying to collide atoms to get better understanding of the universe? How is this not science?

Knowing the behaviors of particles at those energy levels is useless information, because we can't create any technology that operates at those energy levels. Unless it shows something that falsifies current theories, but the chance of that happening is extremely low.

The design of the LHC has, however, helped the development of more compact particle accelerators, which can speed up scientific discoveries for energy levels that actually are practical.

>So what's going on with this thing?


no signs of stuff beyond SM


>Why are they so quiet?


see above


>Where's the exciting discoveries they promised?


nobody promised anything and science should be funded regardless of outcomes


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it did prove the existence of the Higgs Boson

weren't there a couple of american interns who got booted because they were running steel ball bearings through that thing?

All the expected exciting discoveries have been dashed.

Is the absence of supersymmetry proof of the absence of god?

Is it proof of the multiverse?

Is it proof of randomness?

Is it proof of chaos?

Is it proof of the absence of physical laws somewhere out there in the aether?

Even in failure you learn something. But most people scorn failure, and that makes me scared for the future of science funding.

Who cares. Where is the NEW AND IMPROVED higgs boson. The LHC should be run by a marketing team.

Nobody in pure science cares about tech applications. That's not why people do basic research.

LHC is a cover up, its actually 16km of bunker for the incoming doomsday lol : D

This. That's for engineers to worry about. Applications can't be predicted before hand. The people who invented the wheel were just fucking around and stumbled on their discovery by accident. All innovation and technology is founded upon trial and error. But no one still understands this since the stone age.

Science doesn't need to be meaningful for it to be science. You are talking about "applied" science.

But particle collision experiments are different because they only tell us about the behaviors of high energy levels. Any technology derived from results of these experiments necessarily operates at those energy levels. The most the LHC could tell us is how to make bigger bombs, because that's the only place these energy levels will occur outside of a particle accelerator.

Unless the LHC falsified the standard model, but nobody was betting on that.

SUSY hasn't been disproved, just pushed to experimentally unreachable higher energies.

Not much has been learned. The same old fine-tuned model from the 70s is still holding up. People don't even know where to look for new science anymore. There are no new hypothesis. Even string theory is becoming stale and hasn't had any significant breakthrough in the last 15+ years.

>only application of high energies is bombs
>what's a nuclear reactor

>unreachable
Couldn't we just build a bigger acceleratir? I know that no one will probably fund it, but hypothetically.

If it were possible to create a higgs boson reactor, we could have just build one of those instead of the LHC and turned it on to prove or disprove the existence of the higgs boson. The LHC is way higher energy than the particles instead a nuclear reactor.

*accelerator

you're an idiot bro.

>SUSY had been pushed to higher energies
That's learning something. That's what I meant. Your "it's not learning MUCH" attitude is the reason science funding will be in peril going forward, and we won't even be able to learn things that "aren't much". We won't be able to learn anything at all or progress at all. We are effectively at a standstill as a species.

There's plenty to learn, but the direction is higher complexities and not higher energies.

They found out it's leprechauns all the way down

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It's not about funding of science in general, but about the funding of theoretical and high energy particle physics. There is a lot science to fund out there. This particular field is just on a decline, because it's completely directionless.

You can't /thread your own post you fucking iguana