Would you like to participate in a Mars mission ?

Except that whole VIIP thing making you legally blind.

>spinning

Why not just make an spinning space station and forgo the entire planet?

>Why not just make an spinning space station and forgo the entire planet?
because pod tubes under sand piles have way cheaper floor space than spinning space stations.

>Except that whole VIIP thing making you legally blind.
That's a 0 g thing. No reason to expect it in 0.4 g, especially if you spend a lot of time standing (which should be more comfortable) rather than sitting.

The internet wouldn't be enjoyable on Mars, so no.

would have to build a huge laser satellite relay network. cache most of the popular internet locally on mars. then everything else would be on a delay. depending on its priority. 30 minutes or more in getting what you requested.

you need a diameter of 3-5km in your spinning section, or you will deal with Coriolis efffect.

Only if I get a woman assigned to me and our mission is to create new life.

As if there's anything to find, out in that desolate void. We are already living on the most attractive planet known to mankind that shelters us from cosmic radiation, meteors, and dangers innumerable. It offers us freely nutrients, food, endless oceans, gravity, companions, music and beauty beyond comprehension.
The most precious blue jewel, that glimmers brightly through the solar system and beyond.

As if I'd ever leave this heavenly paradise for some god-forsaken, dead, lifeless rock.

Humanity has a tough lesson to learn, but only then will it be able to ease the restlessness and greed poisoning its heart that always seems to yearn for more. The truth is, we're the wealthiest in the known universe, and we don't even realize it.
We must look deep into ourselves, see this planet, truly see it, as if for the first time - and finally find harmony and peace where it all begins: at home.

sounds like someone's soul is weighed down by gravity.

>disdain for earthnoids

>you need a diameter of 3-5km in your spinning section, or you will deal with Coriolis efffect.
Ridiculous. Humans can easily tolerate 2 rpm without being significantly bothered by coriolis effect (unless they decide to play catch or something). At a 1 km radius, that would be over 4 g.

1 g takes about a 225 m radius at 2 rpm. 0.376 g (Mars simulation) takes about an 85 m radius. 0.165 g (moon simulation) takes about a 40 m radius.

Moon and Mars gravity simulations are the most currently relevant to study in LEO. In the long run, we might want 1 g, but it's not that interesting to research first.

For instance, we'd have a station with an equal-mass counterweight and about 200 m of tether on a winch, so we can get radius up to 100m, and do experiments in the range up to a little above Mars gravity. I think this can be done in a single Falcon 9 launch, with a Dragon 2 as the habitat for two people (a better way might be to use Falcon Heavy or two launches and add extra inflatable space above the Dragon, with something like the BEAM already on the ISS). Should be pretty cheap, maybe $200 million.

Because the planet has resources?

What you could do is keep the majority of your population on space stations and the 'ground crew' who conduct research, mine, etc, have a rota and just keep them on 1 month rotations, whilst on the planet, they could sleep or spend a measure of time inside a centrifuge.

This.

Also, I think if the human brain can develop enough for people to mentally calculate the wobble of an arrow from a bow and hit a 50c coin from 100 yards. The human brain is competent enough to deal with Coriolis.

>mars """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""colony""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

JELLO BABIES!!!
JELLO BABIES!!!
JELLO BABIES!!!

Normally you would adjust the RPM to give you the correct gravity. I don't know why you'd keep the same RPM or even think anyone would.

>counterweight
>tether
>200m

Unstable shape for rotation.

what does Veeky Forums think of Isaac Arthur?

Found the speech impediment funny at first but now I'm regularly watching videos for background noise

youtube.com/watch?v=VIMV6E8OxG8

Yes.

At a moments notice? Yes

1g data packet every month? YES

Ability to go outside and rake the yard? YES YES YES YES

Visitors every year and some kind of "inebriate"? Yes, and you don't really have to pay me. Just keep the porn coming.

Married couple with all the above? WTF!!! WHY ARE WE NOT LIVING THERE NOW?!

>Normally you would adjust the RPM to give you the correct gravity
That's a fair point.

>I don't know why you'd keep the same RPM
Experimenting with RPM also has value.

>Unstable shape for rotation.
Now this is just silly. A bola arrangement makes for very stable rotation. You can even expand it in a modular way by adding pie slices that make it closer to a wheel, widening it in the direction of rotation. It only gets unstable if you try to expand it by widening it parallel to the axis of rotation:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_racket_theorem

>It only gets unstable if you try to expand it by widening it parallel to the axis of rotation:

That is true and one of my gripes with long O'Neill Cylinders. I'm more in favor of a torus or short cylinder. I think the living space for 1g should be in a moderate g zone where you can access increased g or reduced g by going up or down several floors.

Sure why not.

>one of my gripes with long O'Neill Cylinders.
That is also a stable shape, though.

If you spin a deck of cards, there's no problem spinning it around its longest axis or its shortest axis, but the one in the middle is trouble.

Anyway, I don't think complete cylinders are a problem. A narrow wheel is clearly good, and a long pipe is clearly good, and I don't think a short pipe is bad, just a slice of one would be (tie all the slices together, and their tendency to do a half-flip cancels each other out).

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And dabble some.

plz don't post turks

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Isaac Arthur is great. His channel and ideas are very well thought out and researched

Got a plan to sell all my earthly belongings around when I turn 50 and buy a one-way ticket to a moon or mars colony, to help build up the new base.
>tfw I will be one of the richest fags in the colony

obv

I would love to. Too bad it won't happen at my lifetime. And even if it happens no one would take me there.

>get spun up for a(sic) hour a day
>Not sleeping, eating and getting swole in the centrifuge 24/7

>you need a diameter of 3-5km in your spinning section
Excessive, but doable

>under 1g
It should be possible to overcome 1/3g. Just wear extra weight suite while inside and 120 kg suite while outside. Actually one can get quite beefy while living like this.

>normies want to go to mars
>can't deal with no parties or pussy for half a year
>anons want to go to mars
>how you will prepare for the long trip
>got a laptop with games, porn and anime, let's do this

Look at Mars Direct, you only need a counter weight and a rope.

What the fuck kind of accent is that?

>he thinks we can live on Mars at 0.377g

this
there is so much horrible shit you've got to deal with for the rest of your life, many will probably die before 40 and the average lifespan will likely be around 60.

Radiation and gravity are the main issues.

some american accent, he has a speech impediment. I thought it was some weird accent at first too as it's not immediately obvious as a speech impediment.

>B-B-BUT MUH DRUGS AND TECH THAT DOESN'T EXIST YET!!!

wired.com/2009/08/spacebabies/
journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0006753

NASA cancelled their spinning habs,

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautilus-X

Earthlets are the real jelly ones.
Jelly of my 10feet height.

Gravity plays no part in height. There has been no evidence of that happen with all the animals that have been born and raised in space.

No mammals have been born is space yet. And certainly not ones large enough to have a measureable effect.

>No mammals have been born is space yet

see: >not ones large enough to have a measureable effect.

In one post you say it hasn't been done then turn around and imply it has been done. GTFO Veeky Forums child.

>4 minutes to post on Veeky Forums
I don't think so buddy

I'm not going unless they send me a qt3.14 KGF to go with me

Genes, diet, and disease determine height. Not gravity.

What makes you think a flabby low gravity person would be tall? physical stress is needed to release the growth hormone, that's why your chad brother is taller than you.

>Nope. I don't want no J•E•L•L•O B•A•B•I•E•S•!
This is a really overblown problem
While astronauts have shown marked decreases in muscle and bone density after long spaceflights it has also been slowed through exercise and there is no reason to think that spending long periods of time on a body with gravity would cause irreversible damage to them as long as they maintained fitness routines.

Living in space would be far harder on the human body than living on mars.
radiation exposure for example would be higher, you would be reliant on shipments of oxygen and food brought from earth, any expansion of the colony would have to be sent up into space it could never be self reliant.
A martian colony could be built underground to alleviate radiation exposure, oxygen and water could be extracted from ice, food could be grown in hydroponics farms and they would have an entire planet to expand across, it could feasibly become a self sustaining colony one day.

a big enough space colony could be self sufficient.

set up an o'neil cylinder or torus in the asteroid belt. your solar radiation exposure is a lot less. gravity is almost not a problem for mining operations. lots of asteroids to pick through for ice, metals, carbon, etc

a super conducting magnet could provide a shield from radiation for both a space colony and mars.

>set up an o'neil cylinder
>he thinks colonizing mars is too far beyond modern technology
>Somehow building a o'neil cylinder is more realistic

Colonies mean you have children being born and developing there.

We have all the tech needed for O'Neill cylinders. It just comes down to money, proper design, and launch windows.

No.

I'd volunteer for one way trip with limited supplies too.
Though I'd prefer something more distant.

>Colonies mean you have children being born and developing there.
Yes? and there is no reason to think that 4.8g is going to be that harmful to their development, at least not enough to make them "jello babies" it may cause heart problems but it's possible fitness training and regular steroid injections could fix that.
>We have all the tech needed for O'Neill cylinders.
ORLY?
Tell me how are you going to launch something that massive?
Also how are you going to deal with radiation?
Where are you going to get your supplies?
How much more expensive would it be to do that than simply building a colony on mars?

>4.8g

Mars is 0.377g and there's a good chance they won't even develop bones properly without a centrifuge.

>Tell me how are you going to launch something that massive?

The same way ISS was "launched".

>Also how are you going to deal with radiation?

The same way ISS is shielded. It really depends on where it is placed as to how much shielding it needs. FYI, Mars is a hotbed of radiation itself. You need to be shielded while you are on Mars. Even the soil is radioactive for a meter or so down.

>Where are you going to get your supplies?

The same place ISS gets its supplies.

>How much more expensive would it be to do that than simply building a colony on mars?

Far less since the Delta-v budget is a lot less. Remember you are saying "colony" that's much more than a just a "base". The great part about an O'Neill cylinder or similar space station colony is that you get 1g.

comparing chronic doses to an acute dose from a CT is pretty stupid. constant chronic doses are much more dangerous than a low acute dose. really, none of that stuff is very dangerous. only like one astronaut in history has ever gotten cancer. exercise, being fit, eating well, not having diabetes, drinking or smoking, is all you really need to do. the effects of ionizing radiation at these levels is way overblown.

Fucking belter scum ruining basketball games.

Also I'd participate only if they have a useful job and proper training for me there, which is unlikely with my current skill set.

You are truly underscoring this. The longest time an astronaut spent in space was a little over 437 days. People in colonies will be on Mars for their entire life times.

Look at that DOE Radiation Worker ANNUAL Limit. "Annual" in this context is a year. A year in comparison to the 500 days for Mars is shown in this image as being well over the DOE limit.

You are making is sound like you won't need shielding while on Mars or that this level of radiation is "okay". It most certainly is not. I think you are trying to be a contrarian.

Being an astronaut is one of the worst legal jobs you can have in regards to your health. The instant you get into space you are racking up radiation points like shooting ducks at a state fair. NASA is just like every other fucking company or fud. They don't want to spend the proper money to properly shield their employees from radiation. Instead the use the bare minimum they can get away with.

Radiation exposure to astronauts should be equal to or less than what humans get at sea level on Earth. It is highly doubtful that will ever happen for anyone working for NASA.