ITT: we discuss gender science.
ITT: we discuss gender science
Lincoln James
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Jack Ward
>gender
>science
Ryder Howard
ughhhhhh do we have to
David Cooper
people who think they are another sex suffer from a body dysmorphia disorder. Same as skinny people who believe they are fat or vice versa. But because gender identity is a way of corralling voting blocks, the science and patient is ignored for the purpose of political expediency.
Jonathan Wright
>engineer
>scientist
Nathaniel Cox
Reminder that this is the case study that started it all:
en.wikipedia.org
>David Reimer was...referred for circumcision at the age of seven months. On April 27, 1966, a urologist performed the operation using the unconventional method of cauterization,[4]:11–13[6] but the procedure did not go as doctors had planned, and Bruce's penis was burned beyond surgical repair.
>The parents, concerned about their son's prospects for future happiness and sexual function without a penis, took him to Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore in early 1967 to see John Money,[4]:49 a psychologist who was developing a reputation as a pioneer in the field of sexual development and gender identity, based on his work with intersex patients
>Money was a prominent proponent of the "theory of Gender Neutrality"—that gender identity developed primarily as a result of social learning from early childhood and that it could be changed with the appropriate behavioral interventions
>This was later expanded into a full-length book As Nature Made Him: The Boy Who Was Raised as a Girl,[8] in which Colapinto described how—contrary to Money's reports—when living as Brenda, Reimer did not identify as a girl. He was ostracized and bullied by peers, and neither frilly dresses (which he was forced to wear during frigid Winnipeg winters)[12] nor female hormones made him feel female.
>On the morning of May 4, 2004, Reimer drove to a grocery store's parking lot and took his own life by shooting himself in the head with a sawed-off shotgun.[13] He was 38 years old.[3]
Joseph Foster
>0.5% of the population, with a mental disorder, are now going to start dictating what is accepted as objective science according to whatever delusion is in their mind
What about our multipersonality and schizophrenifolk? Does their say not matter? Check your privilege
Oliver Lee
I mean, the basic point he's making is fundamentally correct; there's all sorts of weird (physiological) intersex conditions known to medicine, from complete androgen insensitivity syndrome (in which someone who's 46XY develops as female due to their body not responding to male hormones) to 5α-reductase deficiency (in which 46XY children are born phenotypically female and turn mostly male at puberty) to the rare and exotic chimeric hermaphroditism, in which a male embryo and a female embryo combine in early development to produce a single individual with features of both.
>nejm.org
>A 3.46-kg infant was delivered vaginally at term; he had a normal right testis and an undescended left testis, with otherwise normal male genitalia. At the age of six months, the left testis was palpable at the inguinal ring. Surgical exploration at the age of 15 months revealed a hernial sac containing an abnormal gonad and vas deferens. These structures were excised; they proved on histologic examination to be an ovary with a fallopian tube attached to a horn of uterus.
And that's not even getting into the neurology aspect of things; there's more and more evidence that the brain is hardwired in some way (probably related to sex differences at a few loci) based on sex; the rare occasions where the physiological sex and the neurological features are mismatched seem to be the root cause of transgender identity.
Of course, there will be the liberal snowflakes who try to say biological sex is a societal construct, just as there will be the conservative crybabies who try to say none of it's real anyway, but some people just aren't interested in reality.
Nolan Gonzalez
Whenever this idea comes up it reminds me that I'm entering a discussion with someone who hasn't even read a wikipedia article on schizophrenia much less understands what it actually is.
Charles Thomas
Bachelor of Science. I think engineer > scientist. But some engineers really get off on calling themselves scientist. An engineer can't use computer models or polling fellow engineers as an excuse to explain why his/her shit isn't working. They live or get fired based on tangible results. Where as a scientist can get a job where the results (or lack of) aren't realized until after they are dead or at least after they collected the paycheck.