WHY DOES EVERYONE KEEP IGNORING THE ROOT CAUSE OF THE COMING GLOBAL ECOLOGICAL COLLAPSE

WHY DOES EVERYONE KEEP IGNORING THE ROOT CAUSE OF THE COMING GLOBAL ECOLOGICAL COLLAPSE...

OVERPOPULATION?

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The root cause is carbonated fountain drinks.

population is stable in america
we are powerless where it counts
however, the root cause of global warming, from an american perspective, is the way we produce our food.
and noone wants to change that.

The people who know this aren't responsible for the problem. It's the third-world shitholes and developing ex-shitholes that just keep plopping out kids.

imagine finding a way to annihilate everyone in the middle east and in Asia, except for south koreans and japan

that day would be so beautiful, getting rid of billions of useless shit-tarded piggots
there would still be a lot of brainlets in the West but that's ok, their level would be manageable, but having billions of street-shitting monkeys polluting half of the planet is too much

>IGNORING

No-one is "ignoring" it, idiot, it's very well understood that rising populations drives rising pollution. The question is, what can be done about it? And the answer, at least for liberal western democracies, is "absolutely nothing". No electorate would tolerate any kind of "one child policy", it would be political suicide even to mention it.

The Club of Rome didn't ignore it

That's why they unleashed the dumbing-down media and internet upon us to stop us from reproducing

It's massively effective

Fertility rates were dropping before the Club of Rome.

>except for s k and jap
china is becoming like them

its a giant country, so it will always have a huge population of poor

but it is outpacing us already in some ways

Birthrates are falling, dumbass

Because bankers run the world and they maintain their power by collecting compound interest on their investments, i.e. "economic growth".

such as construction of the oil wells, mines, dams, farms and logging of forests that facilitate population growth.

Only in the developed world. But that's why they're importing immigrants by the busload

They don't want to irreversibly destroy the planet, do they? Somehow, I don't think anyone wants that, no matter how power-hungry, money-grubbing or evil.

They don't think they're destroying the planet. they think they're doing "gods work". they think they're gods gift to the planet and people, and thats why they get to "live the good life" while they consume copious amounts of resources

No amount of proof will convince them or the people that work for them otherwise

cognitive dissonance/psychopathy

They're all psychopaths. Psychoapths only care about what happens to them while they're alive.

>He fell for the overpopulation meme.

>malthus was le dum XD

Nice argument kido.

But the reality is that in every modern country the birth rates are below replacement level.

Exactly. Why the fuck does everyone keep ignoring it?

WHITE PEOPLE, YOU HAVE TO STOP REPRODUCING NOW.

see:

Modern countries are too large. All countires are too large. It will be painful, but we have to downsize. Then we can worry about ferrility.

>The piggot guy is a racist

Fuck. I thought you were just some underage or maybe autistic guy who just want to laugh. But now I see you are the latest model of the /pol/tard.

fertility

WYTE PIPO WONT BE SLAVE FOR YOU ANYMORE, EH?

YOU CANT FORCE THEM TO BE ANYMORE, EH?

YOU GOTTA GET YOUR SLAVES FROM ELSEWHERE NOW, EH?

You kinda have to, just look at Japan their economy is gonna suffer if they don't find a solution.
Immigrant groups their birth rates also drop after 1st gen.

shit countries that improve also see a decline in birth rates.

GMOs could really be the solution to all the world's famines, droughts, ect.. All the world's food problems and maybe even global warming. Giving "superfoods" a whole new meaning.
To bad European socialist are blocking it and so are the religious beliefs in the anglosphere..

holy fuck...

humans are literally too dumb to survive.

i gotta get off this site. its depressing. how stupid these people are.

Well truthfully even though industrial civilisation will make the planet uninhabitable for human life before destroying itself, other organisms will surely survive.

>muh gmos
>muh thorium
>muh asteroid mining
>overpopulation is a myth
>nom nom nom

its really really sad.

Nice strawman, who said anything about thorium or asteroid mining?

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@8894108
Ok you're clearly not interested in debate, you haven't presented a single argument. I'm no longer giving you (you)'s

my feelings, they hurt

>I am no longer giving you (you)'s

What the fuck is up with this meme? Do you think that (you)'s are some kind of currency or something? Do you think you are giving him pleasure by doing that? You are retarded.

The only pleasure I get from getting a (you) is from the fact that someone replied to me, and therefore I can now reply back. I am, in a sense, being urged to continue talking.

So you have to punish by NOT responding at all, but if you say
>@8894108
You are literally still responding to him. And therefore he is given the pleasure of being urged to talk more, which is exactly what he did here You are fucking retarded.

Holy fuck.

We got a genius here. He's gonna solve the world's problems.

Thank god. Just in time.

>"Industrialized societies are sustainable"

shiggy

>population is stable in america

hell no, it's ballooning like the 3rd world country it is

China doesn't give two fucks user. They want to beat India in the population game and therefore ended their one child policy.

>OVERPOPULATION

Doesn't exist. Everyone can fit inside of Texas and still have the same population density of NYC.

do you really have to be from /pol/ to be disgusted of short, brown people who shit in the street in the 21st century? It's common sense. Those people shit on the street, memes aside, that's fucking disgusting and subhuman. You don't know how they live? Their conditions are pure trash, there are billions and billions of these people and all they do is provide cheap manual labor for the west. When robots become more advanced we won't need these shitty humans.

How can you respect and even want to protect brainlets that are so primitive that they shit on the street and have no notion of basic hygiene?

>Only 12 percent of menstruating women use sanitary pads in India.
>According to UNICEF, 75 percent of girls in India do not know what material to use to absorb the flow during their menstrual cycle.

there are billions of people on this planet walking around with crusty, dried-out shit and blood on their asses and you're expecting me to respect them and even want to prolong their lives if I have a choice?

>Using a toilet is something most people take for granted - but about 1.1 billion people around the world defecate in the open because they do not have access to proper sanitation. Now a scheme in India is aiming to instil better toilet habits in children by "paying them to poo".

>"During the routine summer village visits," Rastogi writes, "the toilet was the khet, the fields. One carried a tumbler of water [to wash]. Somehow it felt good, the wide open spaces, the twilight, and the feeling of having left the stuff far away from your house. Covered in mud or sometimes just left to dry. The scorching sun saw to that. And by the next day it was manure."
>t, Dipali Rastogi, an Indian official

The footprint of resources used would be much larger than just where the humans physically live you fucking imbecile. Just because you squeeze everyone into Texas doesn't mean everything they need is contained within Texas. You still have to farm most of the arable land of the Earth,etc, to support them.

Overpopulation IS a problem. Christ, you are so dumb perhaps you should consider asking your mother for a post-partum abortion.

>OINK OINK OINK everyone can fit inside of Texas OINK OINK *proceeds to eat some grain*
>OINK *shits out a big oily pig turd*
>*shakes its tail* OINK
I bet we can fit 50-100 people in a tiny college dorm. And? Does it matter?

You fail to realize that humans don't need just living space, they also waste space with farms, stores, hospitals, shit like churches, mosques, football stadiums, parks, etc. For fuck's sake. You're probably a student, right? Or you go to work, or maybe you're a neet. Have you seen how fucking huge an University campus is? have you ever went to a supermarket? Have you ever stepped outside, you fucking retarded pig? oink oink

Your argument is wrong, in the sense that you missed a few hundred thousands variables that greatly increase the surface area a human needs on this earth in order to thrive and become a fully developed and well-adjusted individual that contributes to society.

this

You're a fucking piggot if you think having billions of useless shit-tarded pseudo-humans shitting everywhere is sustainable and in any way good

kys weirdo

>population density
Thats not what overpopulation means. It's not x amount of humans fit on the earth. But how many you can feed bevore the earths food capacitys are at their end.

>oink
kys, we need your bacon, pig

I wonder why there are millions on this planet who struggle to find potable water. I wonder why there are so many countries in which it's almost impossible to have access to information or education. I wonder why so many people are homeless and are starving.

I mean, we can fit all of them in Texas. Putting them all in vans and sending them to Texas would clearly solve all problems, right? Holy shit, it was so simple. Fucking brainlets, why didn't anyone think of this? Cut the Gordian knot and shit, you dumb bitches.

No, it's not. There's literally statistics on this. We straight up count everyone in the country. This isn't up for debate.

This.

There's plenty of food, resources, and water for 100 times the amount of population there is on Earth right now. Literally 800 billion people or more.

No one gives a shit about those people in order to give them anything and they do not help themselves. There's plenty of everything, but no one wants to do the logistics or they want handouts that no one is giving them.

You have a child's view of the world.

>there's not enough _____

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_scarcity

>There's plenty of everything, but no one wants to do the logistics or they want handouts that no one is giving them.
You wrote it down yourself and you still don't get it.
You have a child's view of the world if you think you can eliminate human greed and make everyone altruistic. You don't live in an ideal world, mr. Autismo. The world is as it is, and humans will always try to maximize personal success before they start to help others.

Why, exactly, should someone help those useless humans when it's much better to just be successful and live a happy life? Where's the incentive? Why should I help a brownskin when I have to study or get a job?

Oh wow, the lack of sources in that article is hilarious. The only actually relevant source is worldsocialism.org. Everything else are tangent sources, most of which are about intellectual properties.

Why do we still have wars? Wars are bad for everyone, right? Wow, artificial wars! fuck artificial wars!

Why does the USA spend hundreds of billions on its millitary budget every year? whhyyyyyyyyyyyy? artificial wars! artificial scarcity! logistics! everyone can live happy togetheeeer let's have fun let's dance together

weeee! weeeeeee!

*runs in circles like a retard on LSD*

Your oinkery will echo throughout eternity, piggot.

>No one gives a shit about those people in order to give them anything and they do not help themselves. There's plenty of everything, but no one wants to do the logistics or they want handouts that no one is giving them.
1. Go to Syria
2. Try to give money and food to a random local faggot
3. Guy takes your gift, beats you, pisses on you, then beheads you alive, burns your body and puts your head on a pike
4. Somehow this will encourage everyone else on this planet to stop fighting and try to help ISIS, poo-in-loos, africans, etc.

Humans are ungrateful. Humans are violent. Humans are competitive.

This is why this autistic altruism doesn't work and does not happen in real life, you putrid child.
You got o a lion with an apple in your hand, trying to feed it to the lion, you get killed you stupid fuck.
You let go of your weapons and go to an ISIS fighter, try to shake hands and he fucking stabs you in the gut with a bayonet.
You're in a fight with someone, you put your hand down, you stand still, you get punched, the guy punches you, you lose.
You have some resources, guy #2 comes to you, asks you for everything you have, you refuse, you get killed.

That's why wars happen, that's why altruism isn't practiced by everyone on this planet for everyone else. That's why you're permanently retarded and gay.

What is the cause of overpopulation?

Such piggot oinkery

That is a nice colloquial way to put it.
Excess use and waste
Greedy companies
Unhealthy habits of people
Attention grabbing advertisements everywhere

Soda really is the epitome of selfish insatiablity

A sudden rise of living standards. Reduction of infant and young child mortality led to an explosive population growth.

And what is the cause of stable or decreasing population in developed countries?

Emancipation of women, family planning, abortions, contraceptions and higher levels of education.

Why not try this then?

Also I think you forgot pensions.

Mostly religious, cultural and ideological obstacles in second and third world countries. Though feminist movements and rising levels of education are already being established around the world as an ongoing process. It is believed by many that the problem would take care of itself if per capita wealth in developing nations would rise. The people could afford contraception and higher education for their children.

You are right. Pensions shifted the burden of the elderly from the family to the state, eliminating the incentive to create large family clans. I think they were established rather early in Europe though, preempting the issues we were talking about. But I am no expert on this by any means.

>It is believed by many that the problem would take care of itself if per capita wealth in developing nations would rise.
Wouldn't it be economy of neocolonialism that shits in their bowl of rice? Capitalism the root of 90% of evil around right now?

Money ultimately represents human labor. More human labor is required to pay the ever increasing debts all western nations face since they were tricked to go onto fiat currency. Israel profits in the end while the rest of the world suffers.

Well now we go into opinion territory.

Neocolonialism and the proxy wars certainly reversed the progress of several developing nations and facilitated a lot of the aforementioned religious and ideological opposition to the measures that would control population growth. If this was the intended outcome or not is a different question and could fill another thread or two.

Blaming capitalism as a concept for this is probably unfair. The greed of global capitalism is the driving force of neocolonialism but at the same time local capitalism is the driving force of growing wealth and education in developing nations. Again a topic that could fill a book.

They are, collapsing ecosystems will just drive them spacebound when its the last possible resort.

There is no overpopulation problem.
As living standards rise, population growth slows down.

Check this map... world living standards (Human Development Index) compared with Population Growth rates.

And these are the UN projections for the future.

World population will probably level off around 10 billion in 2050.

>As living standards rise, population growth slows down.
The question is: Will it slow fast enough to prevent global conflict and permanent damage to the ecosystem.

That depends on other factors like technological improvements, environmental policies and so on.

Technically the Earth could carry 10 billion people. Not much more than that though.

More rights for women, and better educational and work opportunities for women are the solution to overpopulation. Nations that give women the power to control their own lives tend to have lower population growth. It turns out that, when given the choice, women tend to have fewer kids.

Money means nothing. Most of human labor is useless anyway and just sustains the system that requires work-earn-buy cycle. Natural resources which include clean water and air are things of real value and we are running out of those. In the end noone profits.

> If this was the intended outcome or not
It does not matter.

>local capitalism is the driving force of growing wealth and education in developing nations
Christian missions and schools are capitalism?
Leninists, apart of killing thousands, turned illiterate country into soon-to-be a spacefaring nation.
If it was left only to capitalist ideas, entire Africa would be a continent of slaves. We still have some empathy, humanist ideas, so not everything goes. But it's not driven by capitalism, rather against it.

>permanent damage to the ecosystem
You're late. Remind me, how many species go extinct each year?

>a contradiction between use value and exchange value exists under capitalism
>t-the real problem is we have too many laborers available to do socially necessary labor, which marginally diminishes with increasing population!

>It does not matter.
Why are you pragmatic about this but not about socialism? It always had disastrous outcomes as well despite being based on good intentions. I think intentions matter.

>If it was left only to capitalist ideas, entire Africa would be a continent of slaves. We still have some empathy, humanist ideas, so not everything goes. But it's not driven by capitalism, rather against it.
Pure unchecked capitalism is not practiced anywhere on earth, and nobody is arguing for it besides of a very few Anarcho-Capitalists in the US libertarian movement, so it is a somewhat silly thing to bring up. Capitalist nations keep growing stronger while alternative systems collapse. Even China adopted State Capitalism, a system displaying the worst traits of capitalism and failed socialism.

>and noone wants to change that

Big agric is in charge and the masses are powerless to stop them.

Pooinloos are tall

>Why are you pragmatic about this but not about socialism?
Who says I'm not?
There is a great danger of communism going totalitarian instead "power to the people". Then again what political system and what ideology is not prone to this?
>It always had disastrous outcomes
Kibutzes of Israeli for one example.
Why not try socialism in a western culture once?

>OVERPOPULATION

Yes, goy, there's too many people in the world. Don't breed, goy.....don't breed.

Uh, all of that is literally what I already said but with way way more words. Did you misquote?

Kibutzes are still part of a superordinated capitalist state.

>Why not try socialism in a western culture once?
East-Germany comes to mind. And the bad track record of socialism should be argument enough against a 'just trying it out for a bit and see what happens' approach for a pragmatist.

As a side note, some neo-marxists and transhumanists think technological advancements will transform late capitalism into socialism naturally anyway.

thats what you think, but the government is finding ways to poison us to reduce the population. for instance every day things.

are you serious, black people shit out more kids than white people

It scares me that there are people on a supposedly "informed" board such as this one that think like you.

Socialism has failed wherever it has been tried. It will always fail, because planned economies remove the profit motive from the equation, and this goes against human nature itself. If it does not matter how much you produce because there is a hard cap on what you can earn from it, then there is no incentive to produce beyond a certain point.

In addition, allocation of resources becomes innefficient without a market system to give out price signals - the end result is always the same: shortages, economic stagnation, poverty.

Planned economies have been tried in Western countries: East Germany was the richest half of Germany when the Soviets took over, most of Eastern Europe was ahead of Southern Europe when communism was implemented, even Cuba was the third richest Latin American country in GDP per capita and living conditions, after Argentina and Uruguay, and ahead of Spain, when Castro took over.

You are just redefining what it means to be "Western". These countries became poor because of communism then you refuse to class them as Western because they are poorer. It is all so very convenient.

You are probably the kind of moron that then has the gall to argue "Economics is not a rea science" in this board, when you clearly have no grasp of it.

Marxism is to Economics what Creationism is to Biology.

Neck yourself.

Not overpopulation, overconsumption. We first worlders basically produce no value in comparison the the rest of the world yet we consume the most. Literally just kill off the US and Europe and you've temporarily saved the planet.
>lives in the US
>gulps

Only food consumption is really relevant there, consumption of products is actually a good thing because it grows the economies of the exporting nation.

>Kibutzes are still part of a superordinated capitalist state.
Did kibutzes had a "disastrous outcome"?
That was the only point of mentioning them.

>East-Germany
A strain of stalinist disease. Subordinated state.

>just trying it out for a bit and see what happens
Social-democratic scandinavian countires.
USA was developing the fastest when the tax for the rich was 94%.

Why all the hate? If you keep it cool, your points may even look somewhat reasonable in a debate.

>allocation of resources becomes innefficient without a market system
Market system will destroy the environment and we are going to die. EFFICIENT death trap. Also: shortages, economic stagnation, poverty.

It's political suicide to advocate for population control when most people are so stupid they believe it's good to have 12 fucking kids.