Why were the Greeks so weird?

> when you read Aristotle and he literally calls out homos and people who chew their own nails as degenerates on par with psychos who eat compulsively eat dirt

whew

Because their SJWs were fanfic writing it at the Redditch

Have some fun.

Read the Iliad or Herodotus next.

You want weird go read the Monkey King mythos.

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I bite my nails religiously, shit, maybe the Greeks aren't for me...

>What is up with the Greeks? Why were they such weirdos? What else will I run into? Will there be furries too?

Once you read the plays of Aristophanes you will realise that they were no weirder than us.

greatness cannot exist without a little strangeness

wymyn cnt b godz lul go back to de kitchen diana(l)

A lot of people think the Greeks were gay/pedos, but most of their same-sex sex was nothing more than fucking someone's thighs: as in, the fuckee presses their thighs together and the fucker fucks.

That hardly counts as sex at all desu.

You're not alone. Nietzsche noted that the Greeks were ultimately too 'foreign' to teach us very much.

The Romans teach us more, he claims.

First off; I know Republic is Plato's masterpiece and all but if you're ""actually"" concerned with getting a decent foundational understanding of ancient philosophy (since Plato plays a huge part in it) I'd recommend to go through Plato's work somewhat more chronologically. No need to read it all but there are a few earlier essential writings which his later works (Republic being one of them) builds upon. Also, his later works are overall his most complex ones, so as a way to ease yourself into his way of thought it's usually better to read some of his earlier works. So just to name a few of his earlier works; Apology, Phaedo, Symposium.

Secondly; The Iliad and Odyssey contain essential historical and mythological information of the pre-Socratic period in Greece, much of which is heavily referenced in later ancient-philosophy (Plato included). Reading any book on ancient Greek mythology is great, but not reading Homeros' own writings while, or before, reading any ancient philosophy greatly inhibits your ability to fully understand the social-contexts of the time.

So read Illiad and Odyssey, maybe pick up some of the pre-socratic philosophers, and then go ham on Plato along with some general mythology books as companion. Godspeed user

wat

Read carefully.

I haven't read the Greeks.

Does Plato mention this? It just smells like bullshit.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercrural_sex

>Intercrural intercourse was a common outlet for pederasty in ancient Greece,[citation needed] because anal sex was considered demeaning to the receiving partner.[7] The Ancient Greek term for this practice was διαμηρίζειν diamērizein ("to do [something] between the thighs").[8]

Because that's what happens when you deny sexuality, you develop these complexes where you build huge phallic machines to impregnate the largest feminine celestial body in the sky, wasting billions of resources just to stick your tiny flag in her.
Then you name it after some male sex god. Makes perfect sense.

>reducing the space race to dicks

I don't care if you're serious still keked

the space race was entirely militaristic, we didn't want the russians to nuke us from outside of the atmosphere where we couldn't do anything about it

Actually you're reducing dicks to the space race, the complex goes way beyond that.
>Implying that an organization that puts dicks on uniforms to denote rank isn't about pent-up sexuality.

Why doesn't Veeky Forums ever suggest people start with the romans?

That's not sex but it's not nothing

>Actually you're reducing dicks to the space race
I'm dead

>the space race was entirely militaristic
No, it was about trying to take bragging rights after being humiliated by the Soviets who claimed every other space science accolade (first satellite in space, first person, etc.).
>we didn't want the russians to nuke us from outside of the atmosphere
*ducks under the desk for safety*
ebin mate

Good answer, seconding this. Also may want to try Herodotus/Thucydides and some Greek drama if the goal is to get a foundation in Greek culture.

But at the very least, no jumping right into Republic.

>Intercrural sex appears to have been common during the medieval era; for example, a contemporary document titled the "Altercatio Ganimedis et Helene" (The Debate of Helen and Ganymede) depicts Greco-Roman mythical figure Ganymede describing the "slippery thighs of a boy" as superior to the "stink and gaping looseness of the female cave."

People forget due to their pedestalization throughout history that the Greeks were only a hop, skip and leap away from brute tribalism and that the political moderation enjoyed in the urban city-states was rather tenuous and rarely extended beyond the city walls.
People also tend to forget that most Greek cultural values have roots in the earlier Minoans, and as such they tend to self-depict with elements of that earlier, less civilized society.

Why didn't the based minoan fashion take off?

because the Greeks existed before the Romans? Is this a joke?

But the mesopotamians existed before the greeks and no one ever recommends starting with them

Their body of surviving texts are broadly less scholarly and more legislative and economical.

That's even stranger desu

My theory is that as they were the first rational generation of humanity, there weren't any restrictions or rules, that's why they could do whatever they wanted to

>People also tend to forget that most Greek cultural values have roots in the earlier Minoans

uh not sure thats the case, minoans aren't to greeks what etruscans are to romans, from what i learned in art history the minoans where an indigenous culture and the greeks were part of the indo-aryan diaspora and came into what would be greece and conquered everyone which is shown the change from open cities and buildings to heavily fortified construction around the earliest records of greek culture

Egyptian and Babylonian civilization predates Greece by something like 1500 years, which if you think about it is the distance of time from us to the fall of Rome...quite a span

What about the mycenaeans?

Beyond good and evil because apparently you are

What's the origin of this what's the meaning what's the storyline??

oh ya maybe thats wut the op meant, the minoans are what aristotle or whoever was speculating to be Atlantis or whatever as he mistook one of their cities destroyed in an earth quake for a labyrinth or whatever, and since they werent' literate (outside of some script for keeping logs of trade) so it's hard to say what their culture was or what it influenced as it seems completely lose to memory by Aristotle

Man that'd be weird to be around chicks who have their tits hanging out all the time. Like, it wouldn't even be sexy anymore after a month or so, you'd just notice them like you'd notice someone's nose or ears.

>from what i learned in art history
buddy, come on
I reference the minoans specifically because it's the farthest back you can trace distinct greek cultural heritage

if by district cultural heritage u mean buildings with big columns and paintings of bulls n shit, then yeah i guess so, but there's no writing so there's no way to really say their cultural influence besides trivial aesthetic influences, the early "archaic age" greek art was more influenced by egyptian sculpture desu famalam

>the Greeks were only a hop, skip and leap away from brute tribalism

Yeah, but they WERE a leap away from tribalism. They may not have millennia of civilized history behind them, but they were, after all, civilized. Hence the departure from Homeric tribal structure to the state-based structure of the classical age.

They certainly shouldn't be blindly idealized (the concept of a democracy based heavily on slave labor should at least be mulled over), but the fact that they successfully advanced from tribal structures is something to appreciate.

Later greek plays - Sophocles, Euripides, and Aristophanes

the evolution of what we shitpost on Veeky Forums

user was, or so I'd assume, asking for source on the image as that's an edit.

Where should I start with the Romans?

>implying

Cicero (ALL CICERO!)

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>Implying that's better in any way shape or form

Total bullshit, you're hardwired to respond to titties man.

Yeah like armpits and feet who cares really.

you have no idea what you're talking about

>Veeky Forums shitposter circa 1800: "if girls went around with their ankles showing, it would be a sexual nightmare. we'd never become desensitised to it because attraction is hardwired and not societal"

But feet are sexy