Is there really any point of bringing man to mars?

Is there really any point of bringing man to mars?
Sounds like a big waste of money to me

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In Mars you could rape that hot Japanese astronaut in the pic and nobody on Earth would know it until the radio message asking for help gets to Earth, which would take weeks, months even if you do it in the right moment. It would take another few years until Earth sends a rescue mission to Mars. By then she'd have already accepted her faith as concubine and you two would have given birth to the first Martians.

Signing for trials now.

No. If it's for economic gain we'll eventually run out of resources and opportunities there as well. If it's to ensure the survival of human species, Mars is not only more hostile to life but it's also inevitable that humans there destroy themselves much like those on Earth would.

the problem is that it is not economically feasible to import resources from mars.
Also we are currently unable to create self-sustaining colony on mars, thus it also doesn't help us to protect the human race from extinction

This is why Venus is such a better choice for first colonization. Even if it fails, the downfall will be incredibly more epic.

To appease Bill Nye

Sounds hot, I'll do it.

>Is there really any point of bringing man to mars?
Not really, theres nothing that cant be done with autonomous vehicles at the moment

how are they on mars, is this photoshopped? thats pretty good photoshopping skills.

Mars is a stepping stone, a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. If we want to expand our civilization out of the solar sytem to proxima b for example we would nee to learn how to deal with long endurence missions and mars would be a good training ground among other aspects. Maybe someday we will learn better ways of terroformation that is cheaper than current methods that will make it more habitable.

Is there really any point in putting seed in ground.
Sounds like a big waste of energy to me.

>not wanting to go home

Asteroids > The Moon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit > Mars

I have a fantasy about getting a hot astronaut chick pregnant by accident on a long space journey, but NASA can't find out, so I fuck her pregnant body and milky swollen tits for 9 months in space than when the baby is born we throw it out into the vacuum of space.

>earth explodes
>humans go extinct
or
>earth explodes
>still have some people on mars

How the fuck would earth explode, thermonuclear winter would leave no life on mars but it wouldn't blow up the planet

*Except on mars if ther was people

One word. Nuclear Fuel. It's like earths uranium mines but undiscovered. We would be starting from zero all over again.

Which is made even better by the fact that mars core cooled down faster than earths. There could be a veritable ASS load of fissile material just below his volcanic leftover veins.

We would finally enter an age where we spent our time burning rocks instead of each other... Set up a lazer and a nuclear plant, beam all energy back to earth.

Plus we could in theory use the Ice to make water for the reactor. Or just house the fuel in a craterous crack for teh lulz.

>raping a woman on an alien planet
That is so fucking hot.

Agriculture was actually a mistake.
We weren't born for this and it shows.

It allows massive human populations so its good.

This of course would require an army of remote controlled drill bots of various shapes and sizes with incredibly high dexterity and the ability to repair themselves while traversing riggerous terrain....with many human operators behind each bots wheel.

Its not like we are developing a humanoid robot that would be able to function like that beside a giant drill bot though...
Oh wait...

*pic related*

In short...Maybe not men...
But definitely Bots piloted by them...
Followed by tourists.

"...but the moon is full of helium 3."

"The only reason we haven't cannibalised the moon at night is because we have to look at it before we sleep..."

- The Planet Eater

Also. Final passing thought...
If you zoom out Juuuust far enough....
You start to notice that a rocket ship looks an aweful lot like a virus...
The macro copies the micro. We come full circle.
Really makes you think.

Humanity. Is a virus.
Top lel.

Two words**

So let's just stay on this little piece of sand in the universe waiting for our extintion, enjoying money and pussy.
There are no money in the future, otherwise there won't be a future.

On this little piece we have a breathable atmosphere, the right amount of gravity, protection from cosmic rays and solar flares, cultivable land, water.
All things you don't have on Mars.

As an ecologist, I have always considered "infrastructure" a disease vector.
Do with that what you please. I'm not even a misanthrope(except that time I was 11 years old.) it's just obvious.
Just fuck my landscape up

The first steps to cosmic expansion and galactic exploration you dunce.

Well one can feed starving kids in Africa and the other can't.

What would you spend the money on

>it wouldn't blow up the planet
There is your problem.

Colonize Mars, Mars colony colonizes everywhere else because of easy access to space + lots of ices for making fuels.

The point is to colonize the solar system.

Doing it just because it is hard is a good enough reason. If we cared purely about economics, we'd have killed all the niggers long ago.

>tfw an argent energy tower will exist

"We choose to go to mars. We choose to go to mars in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too."

At the furthest from Earth, Mars is only ~20 light minutes away. It's not going to be weeks before they know. Because of their minimal mass, a Mars mission will carry plan B. Alternatively the astronauts might be sterilized to prevent pregnancy.

well supposedly, geologists claim that they could do better geology than a robot if they were actually there. Although most geologists who have said this have never worn a space suit...

Of course we can get practically unlimited uranium on earth from seawater.

not to mention, on Earth we have had oxygen for millions of years. This is rather important for Uranium mining because the presence of oxygen allows Uranium to become soluble in water, enabling all sorts of processes that concentrate Uranium. As far as we can tell, Mars' early atmosphere did not have oxygen.

Hell, we have yet to directly detect uranium on mars

>> Set up a lazer and a nuclear plant, beam all energy back to earth.
Oh hell no. Mars is fucking far.

So is the sun...
~.~


It takes 8 minutes for its light to hit us....
If we set up a tracker system lazer on both poles it would take us a minimum of 4 bounces to keep the beam consistant.

"And God said, "The sun shall shine in the morn and the moon at night..."No.", said the man, it shall shine at night, it shall shine in everyones homes, it shall shine in the darkest caverns, it shall even light up out bones."

And so he made the lightbulb.

Money is just an abstract form of energy.

It's hopes, dreams ands potential. We can never run out of those qualities.

Much like fat around our bellies used to mean those things before, now a fat wallet does it.

YOU GOTTA KEEP THISE TO YOURSELF SO THEY LAST FOREVER REEEEEEEEEEEE

...

Are you like, ultra sensative or something that you can hear the scream just by reading it?

Don't you mean mental "Reeee"-tardation?

that isn't me, just wanted to share this person's comment lol
i saw my chance and i took it

>is there any point to going beyond the trees, ongmbgonk?

So you want to build something that's going to convert laser light to electricity on earth's pole and then transmit that electricity all over the earth from that pole? If we could do that, we wouldn't need nuclear reactors on fucking mars.

What do you do when it's cloudy on earth and dusty on Mars?

It would be much cheaper and more cost effective not to colonize mars, but instead build a solar power satellite at GEO.

Are you me?

and those people would die eventually because a mars colony wouldn't be self-sustainable

the stuff that we are doing now, launching better telescope to explore the universe
maybe a moon base

Do you think apes at one point made the deliberate choice to leave trees behind and explore grassland?

For long term research, maybe.

Economically, no. Which is why I don't understand how private corporations can have a part, at least until they can figure out a way to turn a profit.

Lol we have a ton of issues with just leaving the earth for people to go to the ISS.

Even then, we would need to terraform mars first to even have a chance of living there which would take years. And we would need to deal with the climate of mars and be able to deal with sandstorms that may last for weeks.

Retractable Lazer Head, store the excess energon in molten salt.

>colony on Mars

JELLO BABIES
JELLO BABIES
JELLO BABIES

Why the fuck can't you spell things correctly? Now if we could just store energy effectively with molten salt, we wouldn't need nuclear reactors on Mars, we could just use renewables on Earth.

Yes it would because Elon dumb fuck

gneurshk

Obviously

If our ancestors had such a great time up in the trees then we wouldn't exist today.

If a large asteroid is found to be approaching earth, then he billions spent would be invaluable in regards to continuing the human civilization.

Isn't this the storyline to DOOM?

>We hang a giant boulders off a mountain on a lever to store energy

>Giant gravity sticks that turn generators like a fucking combine harvester tower or better, water and stone sticks

>Tfw we are the combine.

>Beam energy when we can

>Excess energy can be used for making tasty memes like colonies and bubble cities underground.

>Heat energy can be used to make glass and spare robot parts and replacement parts


Fucking genious.
XD

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>Not using the 2 kilometer vertical drop the cliffs have near the poles to embed collection towers with a long ass gear box.

Plebian.

*

>pully

Where are you gonna get a rope genious?
It isn't like mars is covered in basalt and dust that you can make fiber glass or rope out of....

Oh wait....

Elon Musk is South African

He knows where this shithole planet is going

And what's the point of building large scale energy storage on Mars if you're putting nuclear reactors on Mars? New nuclear reactors are being built that can load follow, they can ramp up and ramp down electricity production eith demand.

For your fucking wacky idea of beaming electricity to Earth, it's Earth that needs energy storage in case it's cloudy on Mars or Earth. Guess what also needs energy storage?

Regular renewable energy on earth. If we built up a large energy storage and transportation network, we wouldn't need nukes on Mars, we could just use renewables on Earth.

Oh and how much does this cost?

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Planting a thousand people on Mars in an expandable and self-sustaining colony is a big job but it isn't even the biggest job in human history.

If they really do manage to build a rocket that can haul 450 tons to Mars for $62 million, the project will be shorter and cheaper than a lot of the more impressive dams and roadways on Earth.

Well we have a shit ton of energy storage capabillities on earth. Having them on mars ensures that the power output remains consistant and spare energy managed properly.
The cost is lowered by the production of energy. The larger the operation and the more energy can be beamed the more $$$$ gets spared in the process.

How much exactly? Fuck if I know. But the game was to see if I could store energy on mars somehow without loosing too many memes.

and a two kilometer vertical fall looks like EXACLTY the meme to use especially with a robot like Handle.

420....
It is a sign....

BLAZE IT

got to have some place for all the whites and east asians to run off to when the muslim, african, and hispanic hordes ruin everything.

then the socialist terrans show up in martian orbit. demanding whitey and chinky let them move in and gibe welfare. at which point the neo-rhodesians nuke them. Then release a viral plague on the earth to wipe out humanity.

You should patent that story before its too late

The argument was already laid out 20 years ago that Mars should accept 10% of its total population in refugees each year

what was the justification for refugees in those books?

>>Well we have a shit ton of energy storage capabillities on earth.
no we do not. The price of electricity goes negative in some places because too much is being produced and we can't store it all:
slate.com/articles/business/the_juice/2015/09/texas_electricity_goes_negative_wind_power_was_so_plentiful_one_night_that.html

Energy storage on earth is quite limited, here's a list of pretty much all large scale energy storage projects:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_energy_storage_projects

>>the more $$$$ gets spared in the process
but are the costs worth the benefits?

>>But the game was to see if I could store energy on mars somehow without loosing too many memes.
if you don't do any math or use evidence to support your assertions, it's as good as meme

>>robot like handle
what the fuck are you talking about

Earth is poor and suffering from droughts and famines

For the sake of humanity's future, I hope the future men on mars aren't dumb enough to fall for that.

>$62 million
Any attempt to send humans to Mars will cost billions and billions of dollars, no way around it. A single launch could optimistically cost $62 million, but infrastructure construction and testing cost a lot.

>Elon Musk
>foresight
All he has is boundless optimism, for better or worse. Right now he's marrying a notorious gold digger, which is for worse.

>He doesn't know about our not so secret weapon against lack of oxygen yet

Feast your eyes on this bad ass motherfucker.

Picture it now. An army of remote controlled steel golems.

No need to breathe, no need to rest, relentless and pilotable remotely. Working on mega structures, side by side with large drill bots.

youtu.be/-7xvqQeoA8c

Repairable, effecient, consistant, can pick things up, can pin things down, drill, balance, jump rough terrain, falls down but can stand back up and relatively flexible.

A 75 kilogram magic man
Magic~

There must be some egregious bloat there because the launch vehicle was 10% of the cost and even that was hideously overpriced

Which means the RC car itself seriously costs over $2 billion. I appreciate that there's some expensive R&D under the hood here but holy shit this guy has the same price tag as 11,000 Ferraris

Oh I knew about handle, I was just wondering why you brought it up in the context of energy storage.

>>remote controlled
>> no need to rest, relentless and pilotable remotely
Of course if they are remote controlled then the workers will need to rest
>>effecient
Having one robot per worker does not seem very efficient to me.

>>can pick things up, can pin things down
so long as those things are milk crates. Construction involves so much than just picking things up and putting them down.

>>drill
there is not one video of this thing drilling. It probably can't even pick up a drill if it tried.

>>balance
and why would a construction robot need to balance in the first place
>>jump rough terrain
Pretty much that whole video was filmed indoors on flat concrete. That's not even terrain.

Do you know DARPA had a contest for remotely controlled robots completing tasks? Here is video of said competition: youtube.com/watch?v=g0TaYhjpOfo

They did not do very well and were much slower than humans at doing basic tasks. No matter how much it can jump and balance, that's not going to help one bit if can't do basic construction tasks.

And how are you going to get all these robots and construction vehicles to Mars? And if you are going to build them there, it's going to take quite some time before Mars has enough of an industrial base to make such things. It's going to take decades. In a couple of decades, we might find something that obviates the need for martian nuclear power.

Ayy Lmao

Same

Who the fuck cares about starving niggers? Are you really that much of a fag that your first thought about agriculture is if it can feed niggers?

Are you kidding? Hundreds of people showed up at Cape Canaveral to protest the moon landings, saying they should be canceled and the money spent on welfare instead

They even had this catchy song youtube.com/watch?v=PtBy_ppG4hY

Its gonna be great, believe me.

I jizzed when it started jumping towards the end.

It's about pushing the limits of our capabilities. If we stop pushing boundaries, we'll end up like the neanderthals and all the other hominids we coexisted with. In short, if we stop, we die.

>a mars colony wouldn't be self-sustainable
it fucking might be if we just made a serious attempt instead of being a bag of limp dicks and incessantly whining about how it's too hard

>literally Bonneville Utah

Without agriculture, the human population would have been far lower, culture would have developed at a much slower pace, and it's unlikely that there would be written language, let alone an internet.

>Is there really any point of bringing Europeans to America?
>I know what is and is not a big waste of money

This is a flawed comparison, there was still livestock and vegetation and atmosphere in the new world. Any colony missions would have to bring everything, in every sense of the word, in order to be successful.

Eh

Mars would eventually have its own water, its own oxygen, its own glass and steel, its own uranium and solar panels

I'm not talking about a terraforming pipe dream either, I feel like it wouldn't be insurmountable to build a self-replicating habitat

They DID bring their own livestock.
Deer are impossible to domesticate and fucking useless.

They brought a lot of their own food and primarily ate that. This is strange though considering there was abundant local food available to eat.

We can, and have, grown edible plants in space. It was easier than expected, growing plants on Mars will be even easier than growing them in microG on space stations too.

Tomatoes, grapes, mushrooms, potatoes and lettuce could begin growing in robotic managed habitats launched and deployed years before the first astronauts even arrive on Mars--they'd have a salad waiting for them basically, beats hardtack and dry salted meat.

>there's no air of water
There's plenty of ice, and power can easily be provided. That's all you need to take care of both in a self-sustaining manner.

In response to this thread and OP in general: the point of colonizing Mars is simple 1. some people want to 2. some people can
once there is and overlap between 1 and 2 that's all the reason you need to go to Mars, or do anything ever really. If you're not interested or able, do something else.

This is stupid, people want to make a hostile planet such as Mars habitable, yet we cannot fix our Earth which is far less hostile.