Prehistoric Civilization

lmao at this guy
>I have no real argument so take it to /x/

Actually certain areas of India have abnormally higher signs of radiation and higher percentages of mutations often resulting in deformities. Interestingly enough vedic lore mentions what appears to be a nuclear strike in that area.

skeptoid.com/episodes/4541

skeptoid.com/episodes/4541

Hivemind

"A single projectile charged with all the power in the Universe... An incandescent column of smoke and flame as bright as 10,000 suns, rose in all its splendor... It was an unknown weapon, an iron thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death which reduced to ashes an entire race."
Sounds like nuclear weapon.

hmm... evidence?... I mean the fucking dinosaurs are still there for us. Even billion year old microbes. The statistical probability of this happening without any evidence being left behind is probably as close to zero as you can get. And all the shit you mentioned can easily be reproduced, and far exceeded with modern technology in mere fractions of the time and energy output.

>hypothetical super-advanced civilization that existed tens of thousands of years ago then fell due to cataclysm

>no plastics, no nuclear isotopes in soil layers, no mysteriously depleted oil reserves, no rats around the world until we spread them there in recorded history, no space debris or spacecraft in high orbits that would have not decayed by now (like geosynchronous orbit), no evidence of advanced civilization close to capable of what we were capable of during the 1900's

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Between Gobleki tepe and the earliest ruins in mesopotamia there is thousand of years, meaning that humanity learned how to build complex structures, then forgot about it and then learned again from scratch.

Under our current model, civilization can just spawn like that, without previous interaction, the human brain hasn't changed that much morphologically since we became homo sapiens, the capacity for advanced development has been there since at least a 100,000 years ago, civilizations on the American continent spawned, without prior contact with anyone else in the same way, theoretically.

Doesn't it makes more sense to have some sort of precursor civilization that developed this knowledge over time and stacked upon?

any world shaking catastrophe would leave similarly unmistakable soil traces.

>Doesn't it makes more sense to have some sort of precursor civilization that developed this knowledge over time and stacked upon?

No. For various reasons specified within this thread which you have not refuted.

It's certainly possible there was some small random sumerian tier civilization some tens of thousands of years ago but thats it, any massive world spanning technologically advanced civilization like op mentioned would be ridiculous

Well how about en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derinkuyu_underground_city

Looks like ancient bomb shelter.

Atlantis confirmed for causing apocalypse through misuse of technologies. Scientifically conducted remote-viewing with congruent results across multiple unknowing practitioners.

youtu.be/1eN6Fsbcz3c?t=1h8m24s

Really? I haven't even clicked the link and I can tell you there are several reasons why an ancient group of people would have selected to build underground. Reasons which have nothing to do with bombs. Are you even trying?

Those reasons imply they have the same energy dependance we have, and they had to develop using the exact same materials, it ignore the chance of biodegradable resources.

If they developed plastics we would find them.
If they developed industry based on fossil fuel energy we would notice a suspicious lack of fossil fuels in the ground.
If they developed any kind of nuclear weaponry, even if it was only on single test bomb, the soil would have a distinct layer of radioisotopes that we would immediately detect. The same thing goes for even a single nuclear power accident, such as a Chernobyl-style steam explosion.
If they developed worldwide transportation we would expect to find species that had been transported thousands of kilometers with no explanation; for example, useful timber and crop species, pests like insects and mice, and so on.
Any decently sized aluminum objects would still exist today, because aluminum metal forms a very robust oxide layer and prevents further erosion. The same goes for titanium, chromium, gold, stainless steel, and more.
Any large open pit mines would be easily identified today.

>projectile
>iron thunderbolt
>messenger of death/power of the Universe

sounds like an asteroid to me bruv.

So now they arent just some random ancient civilization but all of their technology is built not on what makes sense but rather magical completely biodegradable materials, all without any substantial energy, yet they also managed to spread throughout the entire world and didnt have any ages where metal was a thing?

So where did these super advanced biodegradable resources come from? Where is the evidence of the ancient factories that refined them? You're talking about supplying power to a GLOBAL civilization here - you really think they just skipped fossil fuels and went directly to some magic shit we haven't even discovered yet? If it was so easy for them to figure it out, and we haven't changed much cognitively from an evolutionary standpoint, why haven't we figured it out?

Your "theory" is based on snippets of anecdotal shit and raises far more questions than answers. It's completely illogical.

What's so magical about biodegradable technology?

They could be using alcohol based fuels and geopolymers for example.

Besides the fact that they apparently jumped right to that from stone age tools with no infrastructure to speak of as well as no indication of the technology they would need to have in order to actually create it in the first place?

Nice - a global civilization based on alcohol fuels and geopolymers created with no precursor age of plastics, basic metals, or fossil fuels leading up to it. Just sprung out of nowhere and left no trace.

Makes perfect sense - you've convinced me.

In our current model they literally jumped from nothing to civilization around 12,000 years ago.

You have a boner for fossil fuels, they aren't a necessary step for development, you need to move things and make things, there's plenty of ways to do that.

But we do sometimes find evidence. Like this huge, ancient sphere found in Bosnia. Long, long time ago someone with advanced tech made it for unknown reasons. Also Baigong pipes.

They jumped from hunting and gathering to extremely basic family farming with all homemade stone tools, how exactly is that worse than absolutely nothing to incredibly advanced world spanning civilization with entirely biodegradable everything without a step in-between?

Are you implying that a random stone spheres means factories with technology to create materials we haven't even made on a world wide scale certainly exists? You can provide all the random unexplained rocks and tidbits of premodern man making unexplained sculptures you want but it doesnt give evidence for this extremely large factory system that existed throughout the entire world that you believe exists.

What if they had different arroach to technology? Also, how do you know that they've sprung from nothing? maybe they've been slowly developing for thousands of years. I've watch a show called "the world after people" or something liek that. And basically if we suddenly went extinct, after about 5000 years there would be no traces of our civilization left.

Could that just be magma that cooled in the shape of a sphere then found it's way to the earth's surface, or a similar geological anomaly?

Wood degrades fairly fast, and there's evidence that you can make artificial limestone with basic raw materials

To convenient that they are usually found in the same locations and there aren't extremely oddly shaped ones.

Its a far cry from basic wood and stone huts to expansive extremely technologically advanced infrastructure, you are just skipping that entire thing like it doesn't exist

how about Baigong pipes?

There was a cataclysm 10,000 years ago
The ice age went into recession, flooding all the low lying areas
People like to live in littoral zones, so a lot of places were people lived would have flooded rendering their analysis today by archaeologists difficult
pic not really related

I think it exists we just haven't found evidence yet.

Specially for the tools, I think they just used the tools for as long as they worked until they became unrecognizable.

So you are trying to say that people who lived in huts in some forest just decided to one day cut out precise, massive stone spheres? You clearly need some kind of civilization to have a need to do that and have the skills to do that.

>Baigong pipes
Either fossilized tree roots or some random guys carving fest, again a few weird rocks does not provide evidence for the kind of technology and infrastructure required

Do you not find an issue with believing it because you want to and going out of your way to find anything to support your beliefs?

Maybe they thought their gods demanded it or something, whatever the reason thinking that it gives evidence that people with technology greater than ours once existed leaving no trace at all is laughable

But if our civilization disappeared today, like all people died in one day, after 5000 years only the Pyramids, Mount Rashmore and such would remain(in poor condition) because they were build to last thousand of years, everything else would be gone.

>> nuclear war
Would have left a layer of radioactive dust we'd be able to detect. We'd be able to detect it long after it decayed too.

>> Damascus steel
So you're gonna bring up the carbon nanotubes aren't you? You know where else you can find carbon nanotubes? Fucking diesel exhaust

>> iron pillar of delhi
High phosphorous content of the iron. Which is sort of an accident. Now you wouldn't hear about other iron pillars that rusted down would you?

We can find ancient villages made up of thatched roof cottages from thousands of years ago. Our buildings held up by iron supports wouldn't be standing any more but future people would have to be blind not to find the sites of our cities or examples of our technology

There's plenty of evidence for smart hominids before the established dates.

Human development rates aren't set in stone, literally, there's plenty of directions to go besides recognizable monuments, we lack the will to find them.

How come ancient cultures built pyramids then? Maybe they retained some of the lost knowledge of the older civilization?

Take dirt, pile dirt, dirt makes shape of a cone.

Do you think all dirt piles retain some lost knowledge of older civilizations?

Pyramids are an easy shape to make compared to circular, square and other shapes... same reason a pile of dirt forms a cone, big base narrowing towards top means stable

Wherever you got that idea that every trace of our civilization will be completely erased in 5000 years is just wrong, the materials that we created and our impact on the world such as deep wells and depletion of oils reserves would be a very clear indicator that we existed, hell some of the older civilizations that we have found still hold up today, despite being thousands of years old and made of rocks. And do I even have to mention space? the ISS wont exactly decompose

>There's plenty of evidence for smart hominids before the established dates.

Yet none for the type of super advanced, global civilizations you're talking about.

Before the discovery of steel, the only way to make a building exceedingly tall without collapsing was to follow a pyramid shape. It's not at all surprising that isolated cultures would have figured this out concurrently throughout history. The fact that you brought up that point tells me that you haven't "researched" anything beyond the few fringe pseudoscience websites which support your views.

>What if they had different arroach to technology?

What if god created the entire universe 15 seconds ago with all your memories programmed into you? You can't just raise absurd questions like that with absolutely no evidence - it does nothing to further your cause.

Hey we found this hole in the ground and an empty space, maybe there were some kind of oil drilling here.

>Nah, natural occurance.

And all this metal parts we find, this has to be an ancient civilization.

>Those are roughly a thousand years old, about the time we reached this planet.

And the floating space scraps?

>Another alien race, face it humanoids never developed besides those rock pyramids.

I'm honestly starting to believe you're a troll. if so, well done.

Yeah, I read and watched Fingerprints of the Gods too. It's some really interesting shit right there.

We have, stuff like easter island, they have stone buildings advanced agriculture, writing, organized religion and mythology, besides the famous giant statues.

Did they developed all by themselves?, did they reached the island swimming?, there probably existed an undiscovered polynesian civilization that mastered transoceanic travel, there's even genetic traits in the indigenous population of central and south america.

>Before the discovery of steel, the only way to make a building exceedingly tall without collapsing was to follow a pyramid shape.

That's not true at all, we have stuff like Puma Punku, there's no traces of metalurgy in there, instead they created this stone blocks that fit within each other, we haven't found any tool capable of building this, only basic carving tools, meanin that they did it some other way.

Coincidentially we also haven't found furniture made in this lego style, they obviously knew how to do it, why not make it at a smaller scale too?

Well they probably did, but we lost all traces of it.

youtube.com/watch?v=Wy7Q6wazD_E
That's a summary but I've watched a whole documentary on that and it said the same thing.

Super Advanced, no. Something that was advanced enough to be on multiple continents? Yes.

OP here. That's pretty much what I think. A civilisation that was on multiple continents. needless to say they were pretty advanced.

The Australian abos forgot how to make stone tools and went back to wooden ones. Written language is much more complicated so it would be possible to lose it, but we would have records unless it were on some type of paper and it wasn't stored properly.

>That's not true at all, we have stuff like Puma Punku, there's no traces of metalurgy in there, instead they created this stone blocks that fit within each other, we haven't found any tool capable of building this, only basic carving tools, meanin that they did it some other way.

That's not true at all. I said "exceedingly tall" - as in the height of the pyramids. Puma Punku was nowhere near that height, idiot. Way to completely miss the point. No wonder you believe what you believe.

And nothing you said about Easter Island, at all, suggests a super advanced, ancient civilization. You're making giant leaps where they are simply not necessary. Your logic sucks.

It's plausible that there were localized "advanced" development. That is, certain groups for one reason or another developed sophisticated methods for making/building something and were able to get better at it over time and generation to generation. But unless it spreads to others quickly, some other strong group will come and take what they have, probably killing most of the working men. That isn't the best way to pass on concepts/techniques. So most of what was discovered gets lost.

>That's not true at all. I said "exceedingly tall" - as in the height of the pyramids.

We actually don't know how tall Puma Punku was, we have aproximations, and with the lego block method you can do it fairly tall, even if they didn't.

I don't know any non advanced civilization that had mastered transoceanic travel, do you?

Except polynesians of course, but we don't how their ships looked like.

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>nt to know /sci's honest opinion of it. Could this actually have been possible?
It really depends on what you mean by "very advanced." Certainly bits of technology can be lost, e.g. concrete is a possibly too-famous example, and we have evidence that things like moveable type were invented long ago but failed to take off because needed complementary goods were non-existent.

We know "very advanced" societies existed in the past and we know much of their knowledge was lost, so long as by "very advanced" we don't mean something like "producing steel and flying ships" but something more moderate like "had a better understanding of astronomy than previously supposed."

Usually when people say something like this, though, they mean to imply that truly marvelous technology existed in the past and there is no evidence of this at all.

>fossil fuels aren't a necessary step for development

Confirmed retarded

I'm not against the idea of a civilisation nearing the levels of the classical era that has been lost, suggesting a civilisation more advanced than us with no traces though is ridiculous

Why is it ridiculous? What evidence do you have to make that claim?

Coal maybe, but there's plenty of evidence for coal mining, there's also cooper mines and for other minerals, besides there's a chance that superficial mineral sites existed and they were depleted by previous civilizations.

Advanced civilization means complex sociological and technological constructs, the technological part can be researched, but the soft development and the intellectual development gets lost.

Maybe they developed models of society incredible more complex than ours, better poetry and literature, but books are hard to preserve and a 12,000 years book would never survive to this day.

That's been explained many times in this thread.

Just sounds like a bad lightning storm big described after a millenia long game of telephone.

There's some fairly vague evidence that there *could have* been fairly primitive societies early than we currently model, perhaps even older than 10,000 years ago.

But some sort of society more advanced than we are today or even comparable to us? No, I don't think there's any reason to think that's possible.

You would need some other entity to have actually gone around and erased evidence of this mythical society save for a couple slightly out of place but still explainable by other means artifacts. 10,000-45,000 (as I've heard some claim) years is simply not long enough to eliminate almost all traces of a society more advanced and widespread than ours. We'd know if there was a society as advanced as Ming China that long ago, let alone a post-industrial global empire.

I will admit there are sites and artifacts that contradict mainstream anthropological and archeological models, but as I said here we'd still need to be talking about fairly primitive societies, even if I'm being extremely generous very early iron usage at best.

All cultures have a flood myth because all major civilizations started along bodies of water. Flooding is a common issue, and particularly bad floods will be mythologized.

Around 8 years ago a large flood damaged my hometown, Nashville. Between my backyard and the Cumberland river was a 16ft drop. By the third day of rain, we had to move our chickens indoors. The bulk of the city was underwater. Hilltop homes became islands. You could fish off your porch.

To a bronze age civilization, this would have been apocalyptic.

>survived forgot how to write and read?
didn't you read earth abides?

Welp, now I'm front-loaded on Atlantis. Thanks.

Why do you people respond to shitpost threads

This is a science board, no shitposts are allowed.

sounds more like big rock from the sky senpai, especially this part about being bright as 10k suns

OP, anyone who isn't retarded would be satisfied with this answer. There is no genetic, archaeological, or geological record of any sort of a prehistoric globe-spanning civilization.

>yfw they found evidence of humans in america that is 200 000 years old
guys were munching mammoth bones lel

Let me guess, they find all of the spheres where there were once glaciers right? The gradual rolling of a rock by one would produce a sphere.