Creative Genius

What do we mean when we say that someone is a creative genius? Is it even a real thing? As I understand it, genius is someone of an unparalleled intellectual capacity, and therefore an ability to deduce what others cannot.

What is so "genius" about producing art anyway? From the common knowledge, and also personal experience, although it is sometimes takes effort to create something worthwhile, creative process very dissimilar to any form of logical thought. It just "comes", no actual hard logical thinking is involved. Of course creativity comes from neural activity, but so do skills in basketball, videogames, and doing cool skateboard stunts. We don't call someone who is adept at that a "genius". Sure, we award praise to people who are outstanding at sports or even vidya, but word "genius" seems to imply an outstanding, unmatched skill at a hard intellectual activity, which I think art is not. Artistic creativity is something that has only subjective value, and even further, unlike, for example, pure mathematics, does not even require intellectual effort to create.

tl;dr: Art is cool, and good art takes effort, but it is NOT a "smart activity". Is creative """genius""" thing a meme, Veeky Forums?

Art has always stayed on a subjective side of things, no matter the formalities we impose on it. Unlike physical strength, physical attractiveness, games, intellectual disciplines, and other human activities which all can easily have a sense of competition imposed on them, it seems that art emerged purely for the sake of art. Seems like it cannot have any sort of competition imposed on it at all, without destroying the initial idea. Which seems very weird and unproductive for our Darwinian universe. Consciousness also seems to serve no evolutionary purpose, and since there is no reason to objectively value art in an evolutionary sense, we commonly associate two together, like it was commonly thought that "robots are incapable of creativity".

Why do we, as a species, have this nag to create that which cannot be used for inter and intra-species competition, and attribute immense value to it? Why do we think of it as of a hard intellectual activity?

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it derives from useless aristocrats jerking each other off

Why are we conscious? Just to suffer?

you're right man, creativity is a meme
art quality is subjective so there are no geniuses, just people that happen to get their dick sucked more

The term genius in this context is obviously used to indicate that the subject has some kind of rare proficiency in a skill. The issue here is your selective interpretation of the definition, or that you're being a deliberately obtuse asshole.

>i've never heard of Bach the post
>art is outside of logical thought
>no actual hard logical thinking involved
>muh creativity

Found the brainwashed """logical"""man
The only reason why art is being so looked down upon nowadays is because it has no use in a capitalistic society, when everyone think of nothing but "investment returns", "productivity" and, my favorite, so called "efficiency"

You can't pay someone to make an actual piece of art that will take him literally years of hard work to produce, the only reason why people like you overlook art is because you can't make it profitable.

If you can't sell something it implies absence of demand. Don't go about how it's "abstract", we sell abstract shit like software and algorithms all the time. You want to waste your time with something that is not useful to the society - sure, but you deserve being frowned upon.

>The only reason why art is being so looked down upon nowadays is because it has no use in a capitalistic society, when everyone think of nothing but "investment returns", "productivity" and, my favorite, so called "efficiency"
>brainwashed

Whew sounds like someone's in debt because of their liberal arts degree. You're just mad cause you can't compete.