What belief system does Veeky Forums hold?

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desu I don't want to be lumped together with jewish and islamic people if I'm christian, but belief "systems" could maybe be divided into these categories of whatever, so not too mad.

Anyway, I really do believe. I used to feel like it's just roleplaying, sometimes still do, but it's weird. A lot of things make more sense and most of the arguments against my belief just don't matter at all to me any more. I try to never debate, especially with friends, but a lot of things have proved true to me through belief and the Bible. For example, I recently found out nonbelievers literally mock Jesus and His suffering. I thought it was just a meme believers said to make themselves feel superior to nonbelievers but the things I heard people say and laugh about made me feel sick, but their behaviour is pretty much what the Bible says they will do. It's amazing. I suppose many people here (Europe) simply don't know any believers or know only the stereotypes. It's just sad, really. They can't believe anyone actually has a good heart and has good will towards others, also most other young men around me are just disgusting in their attitudes towards women. You can call me a cuck or whatever but porn has rotted our generations' brains. Other young men openly talk about porn and consume it degenerately, watch it together etc. It also makes their interest in girls completely physical and sexual, with no care for the emotional side AT ALL. Actually, I watch it too, but there is nothing in the whole world that makes me feel worse about myself. Pray for me, please.

Don't start a debate with this post, if it rubs you wrong just ignore it.

Agnostic theism is a criminally underrated position.

You mean deism?

You do realize that absolutely everything you mentioned could have been corrected without indoctrinating people with some middle eastern fairy tale, right?
I mean, the very notion that human beings in their default state require constant threat of eternal damnation to not be cunts to each other is just so self-derogatory it's painful to contemplate.

Not all religions threaten eternal damnation though. Or are middle-eastern.

the post made it pretty clear it's talking about Christianity

I know, but I see a lot of people that are atheist/nonreligious use christianity as the means to discredit all of religion while having an incomplete view of even Christianity.

here, just for example you said that eternal damnation is what motivates belief. Well for me I don't even think about hell at all. I'm infinitely more afraid of rejecting God's love and losing my faith. Hell is also another thing I rarely hear actual believers ever talk about, it's weird that it's something nonbelievers lose sleep over more than believers. Not that believers don't lose sleep over sin and sinfulness in their lives, but the concept of hell is less relevant, at least with the people around me.
Also, belief is something that really can't be explained and rationalized. It all makes sense to me and I know I'm not stupid, which is something that intimidates a lot of Atheists as they often feel like religion=dumdum but I kinda disprove that. Wagging my dick around like this isn't cool or impressive but it's just the way my life is

Just putting my thoughts out, I'm sure someone can relate.

When Buddhists, Hindus, Shintoists, Rastafarians or whoeverfuckelse religious start elbowing themselves into politics and education, or blowing up scores of people and cutting off heads, believe you me, you will see them mentioned far more often. Until then, we're stuck shittalking Abrahamic offshoots.
By the way, Christianity is a fractured tribalist abomination, that holds no authority on morals in any way, shape, or form. Its factions have proven time and again, that they are owe nothing to the "nonbelievers", in terms of containing its fair share of outright malicious dickbags, who on numerous occasions, used the religion, as a vehicle to further their personal goals, and also commit some of the most fucked up shit in recorded history.
It's nice to be nice, and you don't need god or gods to tell you that.
It should be a natural realization, not a commandment from higher power that waves its fist at you, channeled through other flawed people, who often don't even abide by the rules they preach.

Dunno about others but the only natural realization I came to is Jesus

mighty large fedora you got there.

I ironically believe in Shinto

I have been successfully pranked

But user, some of the worst human atrocities to date were carried out by nonreligious state authorities.

I think it's disingenuous to say "Well people of X faith do bad things and thus that faith is shit" when you could just as reasonably find nonreligious/atheist people that have done awful things and not accept that as proof atheism is shit.

People as a whole have the potential to do good and bad things; most religions (all that I can think of) claim this to be true and seek to help you avoid doing them. Of course that gets misinterpreted sometimes, but I feel like you have to blame the person and not the faith, particularly if the figureheads in that faith preach against doing what that person did.

I'm Indian so my father is Buddhist and my mother is Hindu, but religion was never taught in my household so I guess Buddhist.

If I believe that we live in a simulated reality, what does that make me?

Atheist

I think agnostic? Since you believe in a higher creator power independent of reality.

deism should have been included in the poll instead of all those meme ideologies that are gonna get 3 votes between all of them and should have been listed under "other"

Yeah that's my bad; or I should've included other. Looks like half the board is nonreligious/atheist and the other half is religious but split.

>No "other" category

I have an older mesoamerican religious/philosophical belief system that's largely unknown these days (it's not part of the doctrine to convert others).

>I think it's disingenuous to say "Well people of X faith do bad things and thus that faith is shit" when you could just as reasonably find nonreligious/atheist people that have done awful things and not accept that as proof atheism is shit.

Atheism in it's current internet age form is objectively shit. Beyond that it's not a neatly organized group with a clear cut power structure, with a bunch of corrupt shitbags on top, like all three Abrahamic religions.

When your faith draws its essence from scriptures written by human beings centuries ago and direct communication with your deity recorded in those scriptures ceased to exist after their conception, and you have literally no way to confirm any of it, and just believe it, and multitude of leading figures of your faith have been rotten cockends with power to manipulate those scriptures to suit their personal agendas, then what's the fucking point of any of it?

Moreover, the notion that, say Christianity is a correct belief and everything it preaches happened, is so cruel, I don't even have words to describe it.
Consider that - by the time Jesus ran around Israel/Palestine - there were 300 million people on the planet and most of them were fucking dead long before christianity reached their area. It took almost 1500 years for it to reach Americas. Out of estimated ~105 billion people that ever lived, hulking majority were infants, with no way to accept any kind of belief, locked out of heaven in christianity and sentenced for (limited time) hell in buddhism of all things for example.
These religions scream they were made up by people, people who had no goddamn idea about the true scale of the world and human population, centered entirely around their general area, not giving two shits about people on the other side of the world who will live and die in million without being offered a chance for salvation.

That just makes you neopagan.

It's not new-age. Nor is it nature based. A closer term would be pagan but even that is awkward given that pagan is a christian term for non-christians and neither I nor my ancestors were christian.

I'm a religious biologist, and a deep ecologist(consequentialism). No new age tomfoolery here. Just good ole naturalistic religion

Most of the people on Veeky Forums aren't scientists (very few are) and those that are likely to reply to your poll are even less likely to be science students/scientists. There are lot's of recent migrants from /b/, /pol/, Veeky Forums, /r9k/, reddit, etc. As you can see from the sorry state of the board.

>and those that are likely to reply to your poll are even less likely to be science students/scientists

Didn't you just fuck yourself over with that?

I fucked your mum. lol

Do you find anything that makes you adjust your religious beliefs? I suppose in the softened, modern, secular form of most religions there wouldn't really be any contradictions. Just differing conclusions.

I didn't reply to the poll and I'm not a science student/scientist, at least not formally.

Your entire argument about cruelty just shows how little you actually understand about Christianity; people who die without ever knowing God (infants and those who never heard the gospel a.ka those never introduced to Christianity) are not sent to hell.

Also I don't think that is how Buddhism works either but I know it isn't how Christianity works. As far as their locality, you may have a point. I don't know enough religions to know I they have some sort of primal spirituality that they all branch from.

>infants and those who never heard the gospel a.ka those never introduced to Christianity) are not sent to hell
no, they are denied heaven, that's what I said, also, nobody went anywhere yet, remember, everyone is supposed to be waiting for final judgement down here

Most of us are caught between agnosticism and atheism.

Do you have a moment to spare for our Lord and saviour the Omnissiah?

What about us Christian Agnostics?
You can realize that God's existence is inherently unknowable yet choose to believe anyway. In fact that lack of certainty is what gives your choice value.

Your poll doesn't acknowledge this possibility, even though many of the most important scientists and philosophers have been agnostic deists.

Raised catholic

I dont necssarily believe going to church every sunday is a req for a being a good person. 80% of the people in church were there because they "had to"

I dont go to church or participate in religion necessarily, but I hold the belief in God close to me and try to generally be a good person and help others. Im much happier like this.

desu this argument is something not even all denominations agree on. What you believe can range from the poor indonesian prehistoric humans going to hell (if you hate everyone who isn't white and live in the US of A) to Jesus preaching to them wherever they are and them having the same choice of belief you have right now.

The lukewarm will be spit out. Otherwise you're not wrong on any point.

Christian here. I was raised Lutheran, but I'm now leaning towards the Orthodox Catholic church with some reservations about prayers to saints and the use of icons.

As for my Veeky Forums credentials, I hold undergraduate and graduate STEM degrees from a top-5 US school and have published peer-reviewed works solving open problems in my field.

>What is your denomination?
Protestant (Baptists)

>What do you think of Revelations/The end of the world.
I don't really think anything about. If it happens in my lifetime I hope a lot of good people are saved, and I'm not left behind for any reason for that buttfucking.

If it happens, it happens I guess. I don't think its going to happen, but the universe and everything is a mystery with impossible thing so who knows.

>I don't know what to be lumped together with jewish and islamic people.
In the poll we gotta be lumped together due to the fact all three religions share the same God (And a lot of the same prophets/stories), and there is nothing wrong being lumped in with the Jews since Christianity is a split branch of it.

What are the chances that most of the religious nuts on this board are Americans?

>there is nothing wrong being lumped in with the Jews since Christianity is a split branch of it.
except the part where Jews treat Jesus as a hack who got what he deserved when he got nailed

>people who die without ever knowing God (infants and those who never heard the gospel a.ka those never introduced to Christianity) are not sent to hell.

That simple to beat the system? Boy is good ol God one simpleton.

Funny thing is that in some Muslim countries there is a larger percentage of people feeling nonreligious than is western countries. It's because you have to do the religionthingies there is an illusion of homogenity. There was a newspaper article about this a whole ago. I'll see if I find a citation.
It's like there was a alcohol expert (not one of the drinking kind) who went to Iran or Saudi-Arabia or whatever to set up a place to help alcoholics. In secret of course because "that shit don't happen here".

into the oven you go talmudic khazar

what the fuck are you on about?

I typically prefer the phrase "nonreligious", but I often say "atheist" to weed out whether certain conversations are going to be a waste of time with someone who's actually asking about religion.

Thankfully, most people don't typically ask about religion.

I believe that among all the uncertainty and assumptions of quantum theory

[math] 2\pi+\big(\Phi\pi\big)^3\simeq137 [\math]

can be substituted for the value of the inverse fine structure constant as determined from experiments on Josephson junctions without causing the theoretical framework of narrow parameter tolerances to break down.

Pretty much everything about my social system conflicts with my beliefs.
I don't adjust my beliefs. I go into schizoid withdraw and adjust the world. I try to do my best IRL

Biologist and catholic user here.

>grouping Abrahamic together
>having Shinto, Neopagan, and Gnostic at all

Kill yourself

>I always figured Veeky Forums was full of 'em

Atheism is an opinion, not an intellectual achievement. Autistics who think otherwise are cancer.

God is the result of our egocentrism and fear of death. Nothing more. There had been countless numbers of gods doing different things and all of them are dead. As soon as humanity as a species gained consciousness, we started to try to explain the world around us. The things that were beyond our comprehension were godlike, were the attributes of gods (e.g. the lightning). At some point someone has revealed the truth about the feared phenomenon and the gods were "robbed" from their attributes. One by one they fell. And the process continues. Christian, Jews, Muslims... It really doesn't matter. Their god will eventually die as well. Like the gods of Egipt who ruled the universe for how long? 12000 years? God is only an idea. Nothing more. We are not born with the natural need for religion. We can live entire life without knowing that there is something like a god somewhere. We do not have it in our "blood". It is not natural. What is natural is the need to explain our surroundings. In any possible way. When you hit the wall and can't explain what you have witnessed, you create a deity. But there is none. We are alone. We born and we die like all the other living things on this planet. We decompose and we return to the environment. And in few billion years we will all return to the stars. From dust to dust. Literally.

I dont actively hold any believe system.
im still looking for useful axioms

Most scientists don't waste their lives autistically screeching over religion.

I have a small set of axioms, but I've found they are not sufficient.

Not all religions believe in an afterlife/fear death though. Einstein didn't believe in an afterlife but believed in a god.

What about failed biochemists who became failed mechanics who became not-sci-fi authors?

>there's a war on christmas!

>Atheism has gotten a bit of a bad reputation online.
Atheism has always had that bad reputation. That's why Huxley invented the word "agnostic" to mean roughly the same thing as "atheist", but to avoid the existing negative connotations.

militant agnostics are the worst. People who insist that nobody cannot know nothin.

Most of them are very atheist leaning but they want to be on their "open minded" high horse. But they're only open minded to the most unprovable version of religion, i.e. that there's a God but it's not like you can talk directly to him, he never comes down and smites anybody, and his presence is completely undetectable. That's what agnostics are open minded about. They're not open minded when it comes to the really dumb religious shit, like the people who claim the apocalypse will happen in our lifetimes.

How many agnostics were actually scared the world would end in 2012? Hardly any, because they're not really that open minded when it comes to super retarded shit. They just don't want to come out and say "I don't believe in that stupid shit" because they think that sounds dickish.

>implying I said anything about the "war on Christmas"
>implying Christmas doesn't trigger the fuck out of new atheists

Atheist, It's the most honest stance. If I'd want to acknowledge something like god I'd have to acknowledge the possibility of flying invisible space unicorns too.

>implying Christmas doesn't trigger the fuck out of new atheists
Not really, no.

explain this autism then

Are you from /pol/?

No.

Hey, we are pretty serious about /government/ endorsement of religion.

Most of us don't give a fuck if we hear someone say "happy Christmas" on the street to us or others, and we frequently say "happy Christmas" ourselves.

Similarly, we don't care about prayer in school, as long as it's not prayer sessions that are led or orchestrated by teachers or administration and so forth. If people want to pray by themselves, or in a particular afterschool group, then go for it.

>If I'd want to acknowledge something like string theory I'd have to acknowledge the possibility of flying invisible space unicorns too.

that's why me and most physicists don't acknowledge it as anything more than math.

I would rather respond to the questions of life with "can't know nuffin" than pretend to know things I don't know in order to be at peace with existence.

Why can't a teacher lead a prayer session for whoever wants to join in?

Hey! String theory uses complicated looking formulas. Therefore it must be correct!

Is this a serious question? I'm just going to give the standard reply, which you should already know.

>Attacking open mindedness by confusing it with gullibility
>Strawmanning agnostics as deists

are you like 12?

A prayer session would allow a teacher to determine who joins in and who doesn't. This gives the teacher a bias for the rest of the class.

>People acknowledging religion is bad
>Acknowledgement is endorsement

And this is why people view you as autistic.

Acknowledging is different than endorsing.

I'm not against religious study classes, and in fact one of the things that I really want is mandatory comparative religious classes for all schoolchildren in the United States, starting in elementary, and continuing every year through high school. I very much want it to be acknowledged, and taught. However, I don't want it to be endorsed.

PS: I recognize the difficulty in the current cultural climate to have a comparative religion class without endorsement, but that's only because many teachers are bad-faith actors who would use the opportunity to proselytize.

Doesnt atheist just mean "I lack all religious faith" ? How is that a slur?

>Einstein was an agnostic

Wrong he was a deist

That's just being nonreligious. Atheists spend their lives and money being butthurt over being dragged to church in childhood.

I just remember him specifically saying he isn't an atheist but he especially didn't believe in Christianity or life after death.

But at the same time he believed past, present, and future were an illusion, so maybe he figured he was always alive dead and unborn simultaneously.

God speaks through random numbers.

> it piqued my interest if most scientists either have nontraditional religious beliefs or don't have them at all.
Taking Veeky Forums as a representative sample of scientists is not a very good way to answer this question. Look for actual scientific polls of scientists.

It creates factions among students. Kids who avoid prayer to be cool, kids who join in to fit in, kids who bully other kids based on their decision, etc.. It also creates a bad dynamic between the teacher and students as it may affect the way the teacher treats certain groups of students, even possibly at a subconscious level.

It literally is of no benefit to anyone involved.

Not only that but if it's while the teacher is on the clock then that's valuable school time being wasted, time that taxpayers of many different beliefs paid for. If a teacher leads a prayer group on their own time outside of school there could still be a conflict of interest where certain students may join in order to get preferential treatment or more access to the teacher.

There is also the possibility of it inviting more religious discourse into the classroom. For instance if the course covers the theory of evolution then students may feel it is appropriate to ask how this relates to other religious beliefs. Moreover if the teacher refuses to answer their questions or is otherwise unable to it may make the students feel the teacher is a hypocrite, or worse they've been placed into a position where they're forced to teach material they do not themselves believe to have merit in truth.

This.

Veeky Forums is mostly undergraduate STEM students and pop-science fucktards who come to Veeky Forums thinking they're hanging out with scientists.

There isn't a standard interpretation for those terms, how they are viewed will vary by context, region, and community. It is disingenuous to claim otherwise.

That said, I do think there is value in recognizing the difference between those who just happen to not be religious (e.g. raised without religion and not really interested in them) and those who believe with conviction that no religions are true. Moreover one should also be aware of the difference between those who believe with conviction that no religions are true and also believe that it is good and meaningful to coexist with the religious beliefs of others vs those who think religious beliefs are a dangerous and destructive forces in society.

Perhaps it may be valuable to observe those who have converted to atheism from a religion separately from those who were never religious. Specifically because many who convert to atheism do so on the grounds that they or others have been wronged by religion and thus their approach to religion tends to be much more polarized than those who just think that shit is dumb.

tl;dr: Just like religious people and their labels, you will find a great deal of diversity within them and should therefore be careful not to paint them all with the same brush.

video related: not typical religious folk
youtube.com/watch?v=Kppx4bzfAaE

>Abrahamic

way to be random internet dude, you actually grouped those the way that most everyone with half a brain and any understanding of the three actually sees them.

if by "agnostics" you mean "does not positively believe in god but not sure"

thats an atheist

your poll is shit

>doesn't know what the word "Gnostic" means

Stop parroting crap from reddit.

Christianity
jews
muslims

all three are the exact fucking same if you actually understood anything about their cosmology and history you'd know they are the same god with minor bullshit disagreements over who was or wasn't a prophet or incarnation of the same primary deity all three share in common.