I got into an argument with my boyfriend about gender and literature. He asked me to name a masterpiece written by a woman and I couldn't actually come up with any works that are considered masterpieces.
What masterpieces have women written, Veeky Forums?
Elijah Howard
my diary desu
Benjamin Price
this t.b.h
Liam Lewis
Pride and Prejudice, of course
Josiah Phillips
I don't think it's a masterpiece, it's a pretty good work but it's nothing like Homor or Shakespeare.
Easton Hernandez
the princess of cleves
Kayden Russell
The Waves.
Jason Powell
The Secret History
Connor Young
the waves
William Torres
As much as most people hate it, Atlas Shrugged might as well be a masterpiece.
Logan Gray
Behind every man there is a woman (if not his whore wife atleast he has a mom)
Nathan Roberts
>dumb people dating
Leo Kelly
post pics of your bf
Alexander Martinez
This as far as I know. Otherwise there aren't any others.
Maybe To The Lighthouse as well? The Brontes are good but not masterpieces, and Austen is good but not masterful either.
Lucas Rogers
Miss Macintosh, My Darling The Waves To the Lighthouse Middlemarch
Homer's work isnt noted for its literary merit. He never wrote any masterpieces.
Camden Flores
>He never wrote any masterpieces. Undergraduate.
Robert Gray
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Jason Bell
Why would you talk about genre and literature if you don't know shit about it?
Michael Sullivan
To the Lighthouse, Mrs. Dalloway (it's secretly her best desu), The Waves
Dylan Allen
Define masterpiece?
I mean, if we're just talking books that are considered part of the western canon, have had a meaningful impact on literature, and which are taught at universities, then: Virginia Woolf 'To The Lighthouse'
If we're talking older books which have had a significant impact on the cultural zeitgeist, which resonate with reader, and which continue to be read even today, then: Mary Shelley 'Frankenstein.'
If we're talking ultra-hip, modern, genre-defining authors who accurately capture the modern condition, and who have sold hundreds of thousands of copies of their book whilst maintaining academic interest in their work, then: Zadie Smith, 'White Teeth.'
These are just off the top of my head. Jane Austen, the Brontes, Octavia Butler, Sylvia Plath and Harper Lee also come to mind.
Also what's the show in the image? It's ringing some distant bell of childhood, but I can't remember what it's called.
Hunter Miller
I guarantee I have read more than you. The examples being thrown around in this thread are not masterpieces, maybe Middlemarch but that's a stretch.
Eli Peterson
The Tale of Genji Frankenstein Wuthering Heights To Kill a Mockingbird (maybe, jury's still out on that one)
David White
>that are considered masterpieces By whom? What do you mean by masterpiece?
Michael Rivera
Angela anaconda
Nathaniel Carter
It looks like she's using her own subjective taste to define masterpiece, making posting in this thread a pointless exercise.
Lincoln Miller
>Frankenstein >Wuthering Heights >To Kill a Mockingbird >masterpieces
>how to discard your own opinion and lose all credibility in a single word
Hunter Allen
Thanks. I fucking hated that show, but watching it was better than watching nothing.
Jack Brooks
I know it's bait, but Flannery O'Connor is god-tier.
Landon Diaz
A well thought out, comprehensive counter-argument.
Camden Jackson
That is one sexy post bb. Good answer.
Good set of books. Bit plebby high school tier but then OP is not even that. The last one is only debateable in light of the sequel.
What marvels of lit do you read then?
Decent post.
Nolan Allen
he gave as much of an argument against your dumb list as you gave for it
Tyler Cruz
Homer definitely did not write anything in the same way that Austen wrote Pride and Prejudice. He probably didn't even write it in a cold mechanical sense considering he may well have been blind. So "he" recited an old story to someone.
Jonathan Nguyen
Waves, lighthouse, middlemarch
Also, epin bait
Owen Long
Why are we arguing for the suggestions now?
Samuel Cooper
>Homer's work isnt noted for its literary merit. He never wrote any masterpieces. >thinks women are good authors Girl detected.
Juan Thompson
Girls need to get the fuck out desu
Oliver Myers
many, but your boyfriend will never know them
Isaiah Murphy
>He probably didn't even write it in a cold mechanical sense considering he may well have been blind.
We don't even have any idea who Homer is, or even if he's just one person. What basis do you have for "he may well have been blind"?
Also just because a work has its origins in oral history doesn't magically mean it can't be a masterpiece. It was a story that reverberated with the Greeks for fucking centuries.
Jaxon White
agatha christie is my favourite.
Andrew Perez
Thanks DFW
Hudson Russell
If you're so well read why couldn't you give your boyfriend an answer? You must have big tits because it's not your sharp mind men are attracted to.
>It was a story that reverberated with the Greeks for fucking centuries. Because it was a historical account surrounding their early society and culture. They used Homer's works as a kind of semi legal document to decide political disputes and such. It in fact holds several details that tally well with archaeological evidence so it's really not Homer's creation by any stretch.
Demodokos has been considered as a self insert for a long time. That idea dates back to antiquity, but whether it's true or not who knows.
Ryder Allen
I don't think there are any masterpieces written by women because there are so many works written by men that eclipse even the best of women's writing. When you stack them up with the works written by men it is disingenuous to call them masterpieces- unless of course you want to expand the definition of a masterpiece to the point at which the word has no meaning.
Charles Brooks
By your own admittance Tale of Genji then satisfies OP's conditions?
Also how the fuck is Frankenstein not a masterpiece
Hunter Baker
What were you even arguing about then?
Chase Turner
>i have no understanding of how a guild works or the origins of the term masterpiece >surely they kick out the old masters when the apprentices qualify i don't know how to fix your broken thinking so good luck to the user you're talking to
Liam Sanders
She wrote one masterpiece over and over and over again.
Isaac Flores
Not OP, but you are an autistic retard. Get the fuck off my board.
Aaron Lewis
>It in fact holds several details that tally well with archaeological evidence
What are you referring to?
Owen Myers
>how dare someone know what words mean on Veeky Forums ikr it's like people don't just buy books as ornaments, fucking queers
Grayson Martin
Yeah Tale of Genji is p. good. Frankenstein is a fricking dimestore novel.
John Barnes
did you read the percy edit of frankenstein or some shit?
Aiden Morgan
You can use fucking google m8
Jose King
Inb4 they watched the movie.
Joseph Cooper
lol didn't even consider that tbph
Jose Russell
I'm asking you, because I know for a fact that there isn't any archaeological evidence that tallies well with anything in Homer. Even Troy VII likely isn't the site of the Troy in the Iliad, and that was the best thing going for it.
Ryder Rogers
I'm gonna check this out, thanks
Joseph Kelly
middlemarch
Jason Perry
jane eyre
Brody Collins
>checking out a book just because the author is female
Anthony Anderson
If you didn't appreciate Frankenstein then you didn't understand Frankenstein. Reread it. If you still don't understand it, read 'Romanticism: An Oxford Guide' and then reread it. If you still don't appreciate it, you're beyond help.
Carter Walker
She is asking for books by female authors
U even Veeky Forums
Ethan Martinez
Genji Monogatari definitely a masterpiece.
Jace Edwards
Yeah, I'm sure the German artistic movement of Romanticism found its highest expression in a come-lately English aristocrat's wife writing self-indulgent tripe about ludicrous monsters.
Matthew Hall
Fuck off you armchair twat and read something. Your post there is fucking retarded.
Adam Garcia
Anything written by Flannery O'Connor.
Anything by Eudora Welty
Song of Solomon by Toni Morisson
Just off the top of my head. Your bf seems like a douchebag but you seem like a dumbass too so I guess it was meant to be.
Nolan Torres
>I never learned Homeric greek
Gabriel Reyes
You are beyond help.
Blake Robinson
You're a pleb.
Daniel Miller
>German Are you an actual /pol/tard getting your info from twitter schizophrenics by any chance?
Jeremiah Watson
what the heck is lit infatuation with pol right now. it's such a cope out
Zachary Morales
At least you tried
Hudson Barnes
You zoomed in on one aspect that's like a 19thC bit of conjecture. Which you them derided when it probably has legs on some level.
Adrian Wood
The Age of Innocence and a few others by Edith Wharton. Honestly, your boyfriend sounds like a real pill
Christopher Myers
>cope out Anyway, you retards are coming from somewhere.
Gavin Adams
>attacks typos >on Veeky Forums
I'm pretty sure you came from reddit.
Ethan Barnes
Every fucking day. "My definition of 'great' or 'masterpiece' doesn't include any works by women. Prove me wrong." Piss off, and stop pretending to be female.
Nicholas Morales
How would that be a typo?
The Veeky Forums being unconcerned with correct language idea is also amusing. There's a reason for the Le Reddit meme.
Gavin Cruz
also Memoirs of Hadrian.
Tale of Genji is probably the most high tier, civ defining work by a woman though. unless homer or shakespeare were women, both possibilities espoused by limp wristed professors I have had.
Wyatt Williams
thanks for defending me
Joseph Hernandez
>Jane Eyre >To Kill A Mockingbird >Pride And Prejudice >Atlas Shrugged
There's 4
If you're talking to a teenager they'd probably say 'Muh Hunger Games' or 'Muh Harry Potter'
Henry Evans
Attacking people for typos, spelling mistakes, or grammatical errors is the lowes form of argument and also pure reddit behavior, you've been found out, just stop posting. Go back to r/books.
Parker Roberts
who's better emily bronte or charlotte bronte
Brayden Mitchell
>the lowes form of argument Nothing wrong with the arguments at Lowe's. It's amazing how those hardware guys are buttblasting you so hard.
Zachary Carter
Calling To The Lighthouse a 'masterpiece' is a pretty big stretch
Carter Brown
Anne.
Asher Green
here have an upvote
Jordan Jackson
>mfw I'm 80 years older and Harry Potter is an accepted part of the Western canon while my masterpieces lay about unpublished
Jack Lopez
I don't get the reference.
Brody Williams
The Fountainhead
Atlas Shrugged
Gabriel Watson
Most popular books are forgotten. It doesn't look like Rowling is another Christie so she'll just fade into obscurity eventually.
Jaxson Perez
>he never wrote any masterpieces Correct on a technicality.
Ethan Long
It's not even a form of argument, it's just K-12-autism or trolling
Jack Nguyen
Only time will tell, I guess. Hopefully I die before that point, should that point ever exist in the future.
Ryder Turner
are you serious your criticisms of Frankenstein could be equally applied to Tale of Genji Genji was a serial novel written by a noblewoman for other noblewomen to read, it was basically an ancient soap opera
Nolan Thompson
Genji Monogatari.
... not much else though. Or, anything at all.
Cameron Ward
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Easton Jenkins
You're arguing with people who haven't read dick bro, there's no point. Most of the male authors they think they'd like they probably wouldn't, and the old books they think are possible contenders for female like Genji are not as high literature as they believe.
Frankenstein however is fucking genius, there's no way around it.