This is a literary masterpiece

>Asking an expert on a subject to explain something in greater detail is "American"

It just gets worse.

>glorified fanfic
>on the same level as War and Peace, Ulysses etc.

Fuck off.

lots of threads like these lately...
i wish they could stay at their containment boards

OP, you have to go back

elaborate

I agree, but only if we compare the best of each medium. However, I think it's unfair to compare them, as they're different enough.
Not that guy, but the artstyle is a double edge sword. A good story can be dragged down by stale artstyle, and sometimes great artstyle compensates an awful story.

Most comic writers are trapped in their medium, they recycle characters over and over again with some new twist, as if "what would happen if...". Even Watchmen uses this formula, and gets praised just for being a genre deconstruction piece.

I think sci fi, bio and noir is were comics really shine; even tho I still think traditional novels offer more with the way authors create a world with just prose.

I think Maus, Our Cancer Year, Persepolis, Y: The Last Man are better when it comes to pure storytelling. Black Hole and Sandman are better when it comes to surrealism and symbolism. And Bone, Cerebus and Epileptic are just charming.

Why everyone loves Persepolis?
It's just a minority womyn ripping off David Beauchard.

I don't think David B. has ever written anything similar to Persepolis, he writes better and more complex stuff in my opinion. However, I think Persepolis hits the nail due to the simplicity and yet "touching" feel.

I still would think Watchmen has the greater influence than any of those comics you listed

it is the quintessential comic in the industry

Dafuq, Gaiman ripped swampthing off for his sandman

From Hell is much, much better.

How?

I don't think it was an insult
But that doesn't seem to me to be a sollely American characteristic

>it is the quintessential comic in the industry
So you are dismissing every earlier comic in the industry just because a hack published a post-modern fanfic?

Stop saying that Watchmen is the greatest comic ever created OMG!!1! if you haven't read anything other than glorified superhero fanfics.

Even in the shitty big 2 superhero comic scene there are superior works:
Swamp Thing is better than Watchmen.
Doom Patrol is better than Watchmen.
The Sandman is better than Watchmen.

I really don't see how someone can say Watchmen isn't literature. The depth and influence of it is breathtaking. The only thing separating it from "real" literature is the fact that it has pictures, but it uses those pictures in such a literary way. Pic related has the same simplistic beauty as well written prose.

I found Maus to be pretty overrated. It felt like a standard Holocaust story except wait... all the people are animals! It was solid but I don't get all the praise. Watchmen blows it away from a creativity standpoint at the very least.

Because the whole holocaust thing is just a vehicle for the father/son relationship and the struggles of a man growing up on a dysfunctional family.

It gets overrated for the same reasons you said, but the people who praise it for that didn't even notice how touching and well written the present story is. One of the few biographical comics in which the characters actually feel real.

I think the issue is that people don't automatically think of "well, this is better than Anne Rice" but in "no way this is on the same level than Juan Rulfo".

I think it's better to treat them as separate mediums, everyone wins.

I did like the father/son story but it didn't seem particularly unique to be honest.

Watchmen is genius, possibly the greatest comic I've read, but it's a comic, not literature, and it isn't comparable to Tolstoy or Joyce.
Calling comics literature is insulting, in fact, as if the pictures are merely tacked on to the narrative. That is simply wrong, the truly "comical" potential of the medium lies in the synthesis of writing and art. One does not merely follow the other, on many different levels they cooperate and mutate into a separate art form, clearly distinct from literature. Moore and Gibbons use this potential, which is why Watchmen is a great comic, not great literature.

shut up cuck

god I wish HBO would adapt Y: The Last Man

yep

there is no such thing as a superior literary medium

I think you're missing a yet.
>On the same level as War and Peace, Ulysses etc.
yet
>it's the king of its medium,

LOL

Why did the colorist make the photograph blue as well? That's just laziness

The tech couldn't do it, I'd guess. Such stuff never happens with newer comics while it's not uncommon for the older ones.

>superheroes

lolno you'd have better luck with nazimice.
Don't get me wrong, it's cute naming a character after Shelley, and then reversing the meaning of it, but cute is all it is. The medium is too simple to allow anything else. As it's now, It's not even on level of films. Two would be artists collaborating on one project is the first sin. Publisher over their back the second. Demand to be profitable the third. Juvenile target audience the fourth. And then with the cliche ending you get a ticket to the first level of hell.

who's this semen bucket?

Veeky Forums - arguing over comics
fuck this board

I mean, Fearful Symmetry is cool, but it's not even the best Moore (as he would tell you). Snakes and Ladders kills it for pure imagery

I always find it amusing when muricans are arguing about best comic books and they don't even know the name of their own best artist.

>watchmen

I did enjoy it, although I found Hollis' Under The Hood side story the best part. Sucks it was too short.

>Minutemen prequel when

comics aren't inherently inferior but watchmen, though watchmen subverts its own medium, it fails to fully rise beyond it (similar to Welcome to the NHK with anime)

>Journalist asks him to elaborate on a comment
>talks for three minutes on how unrealistic it is to imagine that philosophers can just elaborate on a random topic on command

goofball

>implying any form of media is intrinsically inferior
Insipid

theyre talking about British comic books, but I guess it's typical of a German to wander into a thread not knowing anything and proudly post something for 8 year olds in German thinking he's going to impress us all.

Your country is shit-tier, literally every country you border with is more favored and interesting.

Can you elaborate on that?

What the fuck?

Go back to /pol/.

That's like saying Tom and Jerry is the Citizen Kane of its medium (i.e. retarded.)

It's not even the best Alan Moore comic.

Cause its pictures and speech bubbles. Might as well watch a good movie. Plots might be good and characters maybe are somewhat developed but it really doesn't matter. Nothing can compare to prose that puts you in the experience of characters rather than merely seeing them experience.
A picture isn't worth a thousand words. Some dumb cartoon superhero frowning would pale in comparison to a paragraph describing the emotion and complexities of being a human, assuming is decently written.
Most comics are by design a mediocre genre. Just like most pornography or fast food.

then why the fuck did you post anything at all if your not prepared to explain what you believe

I do what I want

Actually this

Swamp Thing and Sandman are much more based.

Keno Don Rosa is pure nostalgic bliss.

DA BEST EVER

That's correct. Watchmen isn't Tolstoy, but neither could Tolstoy do what Promethea or Habibi or Building Stories do by virtue of their hybrid nature. Judging a comic strictly as art or as prose is idiotic: it's like judging Dante just for the plot.

his best work is "Promethea", its pretty much what he believes. i do love watchmen, though. its not great literature, but its really really great commentary on comic book tropes.

How can it be a ripoff if it's autobiographical?

>ridiculous blue man sitting in pink blob is not inherently inferior to Rulfo's prose

laffed