Has stayed practically the same since 400 million years ago

Literally God of the Gaps.

Pathetic.

>Implying physical shape is the only thing that evolves.

Biochemistry, behavior, etc. don't fossilize well.

Also, the body proportions HAVE changed over the years, while the basic plan has remained the same.

>How would you prepare horseshoe crabs to eat?

Like a crab.

> Would it be just like crab?

Sort of, it is more closely related to spiders.

>Would a horseshoecrabcake taste good?

Depends on the spices.

>How much meat is even on those things?

Not much -- mostly in the legs, which are not very big.

>How much meat is even on those things?
Horseshoe crabs haven't evolved because they have no meat, so nothing can eat them.

Sexual reproduction causes an organism to adapt about 5% faster which has clear selective value

The solution ALWAYS comes before the problem in evolution, so your statement about not knowing the benefits in advance is retarded

Extremely pedantic desperate grasping at straws.

They have stayed PRACTICALLY the same, maybe they had green blood instead of blue blood, I did not say "literally exactly the same".

If you went back in time 400 years ago you would recognize them as horseshoe crabs, you wouldn't look at some fish and say "that's an early human".

I'm aware that I was talking about a microscopic development of sexual reproduction.

It's literally at least 50% less efficient than asexual reproduction, and it's not like they knew any potential benefits of sexual reproduction.

The fact that you believe single-celled organisms accidentally developed into humans is insane. The fact you think creatures accidentally developed sensory organs (like eyes/ears) is insane. God will humble those who have pushed this lie, and silenced those who question this lie. These did not come about by accident.

gr8b8m8. Here, have a (You).

>The solution always comes before the problem in evolution, because the solution always comes before the problem in evolution

>It's retarded because it's retarded

Yeah I'm not arguing with you.

>mfw a promising post turns into bait in the last line

>God hasn't personally come to you and told you that evolution isn't real
Literally Scientist of the Gaps. Pathetic.

>If you went back in time 400 years ago you would recognize them as horseshoe crabs, you wouldn't look at some fish and say "that's an early human".
I would if I saw it had a radius and an ulna
>it's not like they knew any potential benefits of sexual reproduction
Who is they? The organisms?
>The fact that you believe single-celled organisms accidentally developed into humans is insane.
I don't
There were shitloads of intermediate forms over billions of years

Fuck you. Horseshoe crab blood is used in the biomedical industry to make sure that IV drugs are safe and don't have bacteria in them

>Why? Are horseshoe crabs perfect so they no longer evolved?
Evolution is not about perfection.
>What gave the fish enough to reason to evolve into modern humans within that same time frame?
Evolution is not about reason
>It's almost like evolution is an unproven hypothesis.
Pic related. It is a well proven theory. Some people just don't understand it.
>It's almost like it's a dogma that can't be questioned.
You can question it. Do you doubt that the bull terrier ancestors looked like the dog to the left, and then evolved into the dog to the right?

>practically the same

Meaning not really the same at all, but you can't see the difference because you are a retard.

>HURR

I bet you're one of those retards who claims there's no such thing as a circle.

I think they're cute.

I agree.

user, there are no perfect circles in nature.

There might be a perfect, as possible given planck length, circle.

But the main construction of circle is an independent human invention that might be con-,per-,or post-current to other forms of intelligence.

But for observation and design purposes, it's useful to have an idealistic construction.

>Why? Are horseshoe crabs perfect so they no longer evolved? What gave the fish enough to reason to evolve into modern humans within that same time frame?

They obviously survived. We don't have the entire record of previous horseshoe crabs. Maybe the structure of their genes allows them to pick and lose traits in accordance with environmental pressures.

Evolution is about surviving within frames of ratios of entropy and order. If your body machine can survive it, with reproductive capabilities intact and with sufficient numbers of opposite genders, then it'll pass on the body machine/phenotypical info encoded in genes.

>Even if there is some benefit to sexual reproduction, these simple asexually reproducing organisms did not know of these benefits, and even if they collectively did know, they can't just intentionally trigger the development of something as incredibly complex as a sexual reproduction system.

You only know time frames of centuries. Even then you probably don't have a proper intuition which can discern the incredible amounts of change.

Life survived 300 millions of snowball earth. How many countless generations is that for microbial species? Can you imagine the vast clash of garbage data with actual structures of order and information?

For one who speaks of God, you have no intuition for how different the maker of Behemoth and Leviathan is from the normal thought process of men thinking in terms of their kids and maybe a few centuries of human generations.

CONT.

Which is why I'd probably be called an Ignostic. The atheist claims against "benevolence" carry the most provincial of thoughts, a total ignorance that pain and suffering can be a path to eventual victory. Maybe even essential to the experience of victory and defeat.

But if you're going to "believe" in God, I hope you saw a burning bush talking to you. Otherwise from the perspective of a logic, you're selectively picking a single psychological profile out of the infinite set of possible deities and the infinite set of consistent and inconsistent action/reward systems.

That red plaid pattern is the meme of Helene's nightgown. This other pattern is the meme of Emily's romper.

>le ebin may mays

Why have retards like OP started appearing on Veeky Forums more lately?

No evolutionary pressure.

This is some Matrix shit

>perfect
>Has stayed practically the same since 400 million years ago
>400 million years ago humans were fish
> evolution is an unproven hypothesis
All of these are fucking wrong.
1. perfect doesn't exist, nor does purpose or meaning, these are human concepts do not project them on reality, nor does evolution attain 'perfection'
2. it has not and 400 million year isn't long, life has existed for over 4500 million years. In any case there was no pressure for it to change.
3. so a species that has yet to exist was a fish, huh? Also it's not a fucking fish you retard.
4. it's not a hypothesis and it is implicit in all organisms, you can't have an organism without it, the specific resulting abstractions is more debatable

That video was extremely unsettling the first time I saw it.

uff whats the blue stuff wtf are they doniing???
>in4 its how viagra is made

But you would look at a fish and say "That's an early fish."

Horseshoe crabs have a copper-based blood, it is blue.

>in nature

As opposed to...?

HA

>be sponge
>want diversified tissues
>can't bud if diversified tissues, need alternative form of reproduction
>enter gametes

One of the first things I learned in Bio was that there are always exceptions to the rules.

That's not very nice. :<

Poor crabbo. ;w;

what they do with horse shoe crab blood?

jesus that pic is depressing

Dog Breeding is a fucking awful institution. Modern societies like the American Kennel Club serve only to take functional, healthy dog breeds and fucking ruin them. The AKC took the German Shepherd working dog, for example, and turned it into an anxiety-filled wreck with severe hip dysplasia.

Here you go
youtube.com/watch?v=e8KlAmtIu1E

>This is just basic evolution.
You're a faggot, that is just basic fact.

Sexual reproduction produces more variation in offspring than producing clones. When there is more variation, it is more likely that some of the offspring will survive, if the environment changes.

Organisms do not need to "know" the benefits of each strategy. It's only a matter of creating more viable offspring. In time, natural selection weeds out the bad strategies.

#notallkennelclubs

Literally the AKC is just peak American degeneracy and shouldn't be used as a strike against pure breeds in general.

Its almost like evolution doesn't apply to every organism and evolution only seeks to balance the creatures as they exist at the moment so if adaptations are not needed they won't get any.

But that being said and all memes aside, you make a good point because mutations are also a gigantic fueling factor behind evolution and mutations are supposed to exist in every single generation. Not even cells perfectly obey replication. So why does this ugly crab get to be immune to change. My hypothesis. They are our creators.

this

Explain why evolution never nerfed humas.

It's almost like evolution is total bullshit some faggot made up 150 years ago.

I know this is a bait thread but local maximum != global maximum. They're stuck on their local plateau.

So how do you explain the fossil record? Though it's more like snapshots of different eras rather than a continuous record, you can still see a trend of organisms constantly changing and adopting new forms.

It's either evolution is for the most part true and life changes over time, or new species have just spontaneously arisen and then disappeared.

Theory

it's "immune to change" because its environmental niche is, apparently, extremely niche. any noteable change probably makes it worse.

>So how do you explain the fossil record?

Lining up the fossils of two similar looking animals from different time periods isn't proof that one evolved into the other.

The fossil record is also incredibly broken, and it ALWAYS will be, Darwin himself said it will ALWAYS be incomplete.

So what's your explanation for the vastly different array of organisms found and dated to disparate eras?

If organisms don't change over time, then why are we only finding- for example- skeletons of dinosaurs from the Mesozoic era, and skeletons of mammals from the Cenozoic era?

Were both forms of life present during the Mesozoic and Cenozoic? If so, why are there no mammalian fossils from the Mesozoic era, or dinosaur fossils from the Cenozoic era? If not, then where did the mammals come from?

Going back even further, how do you explain the sudden increase in biodiversity when you look at fossils from the Cambrian era?

Do you really believe that life is static? That organisms and/or environments have remained constant across the billion-year history of the Earth?

I believe in micro-evolution but not macro-evoluton.

God created a system that is mostly automated and requires no manual intervention by him, micro-evolution is a part of that.

One exception is manual intervention for the creation of new animals.

Do you accept speciation?

Lmao babby's first b8 and you're all taking it

>no longer evolved
Everything is evolving constantly, there is no end product in natural selection. It's almost like you're a degenerate retard with no understanding of science or the natural world.
>sage your shitty b8

kek

we cheated with our giant brains and long distance running

>humans were fish
Lrn2biology fgt pls

their blue copper blood is beautiful

He came from /pol/

Are you interested in the facts, or are you just here to fuck shit up?
These are actually interesting topics, stop acting so argumentative.

>in4 its how viagra is made
brainlets are cute

>It's almost like evolution is an unproven hypothesis. It's almost like it's a dogma that can't be questioned.
>almost

The thing with "almost" is that it means "not quite". You just have to make a bit more effort.

Evolution takes place when it is driven. And horseshoe crabs and a few other special (alligators?) remain unchanged because
- they have a form that works
- they dominate their niche
- nobody else is fit for that niche
So they remain the way they are.

Thus you can see that it does not disprove the hypothesis.

Also your "unproven hypothesis" is an admission you have absolutely no idea how science works. And that like about dogma is embarrassing. You should be grateful this is an anonymous board.

>restating his question and calling it an answer
Evolutionists are narrow-minded dogmatists.

samefag

>dogmatists
Define, please.

Also: got something better than evolution that satisfies the requirements of the scientific process?

LAL endotoxin assay. Downside cross reacts to beta glucans, but better than killing dozens of rabbits.

noun. 1. a person who asserts his or her opinions in an unduly positive or arrogant manner; a dogmatic person. 2. a person who lays down dogmas.

God made the universe.

There is no God.

It's an anomaly among plenty of other examples of evolution scientists have observed. I'm sorry that you feel evolution seems like it is unquestionable, but unlike the bible, there is a reasonable amount of data to believe the claims made be evolutionary study. Maybe people are dogmatic about it because the people offering counter evidence brainlet trolls?

roaches didn't evolve because they had adapted perfectly to every environment

they aren't permanently harmed and are released back into the environment. I think they even get crab cookies.
did you even read the post?
Horseshoe crab blood is used in the biomedical industry to make sure that IV drugs are safe and don't have bacteria in them

Prove it.

prove there is a god.

Which god? There are thousands, and all with zero supporting evidence.

Also, you really are wasting your time shilling for your favourite god on Veeky Forums. Much of Veeky Forums actually has an education. Empty minds are more profitable for your business.

Back to /b/ with you.

the burden of proof is on you for proving a god exists.

meant to reply to

If he had said "there is no tooth fairy/easter bunny/vampires/etc", you would not have asked for proof. Your favourite god, whichever one it is, can be equally dismissed.

The Abrahamic God, which accounts for over 90% of all religious people.

No other God is taken seriously by any major group.

How new are you to Veeky Forums? You reek of teenbro and reddit.

>No other God is taken seriously by any major group.

The degree to which any god is taken seriously by any group, in any era, is irrelevant.

The only thing that matters is evidence. Your favourite god comes with the same amount of supporting evidence as Barraiya, the Australian Aboriginal god who it is said invented the first vagina.

The same amount. Zero. How embarrassing for your "omnipotent" god.

>humans were fish

Go back and review natural selection before you spew any more nonsense.

You're not serious, right?

Yes, it's probably perfect for it's environment

There is no universal perfection all organisms are striving to achieve. 'Perfection' means the organism is adapting to survive in its environment. If it's not broke, it's doesn't need a lot of improvements. Occassionally a better model would come along.

Mutations can cause organisms to adapt to NEW environments, thus creating new species.

>typical burger intellectual thread
>Know nothing about biologie but try to argue against evolution
>A world full of examples for living beings that have adapted to their environment

babby discovered the horseshoe crab

...

>depressing
Agreed. The bull terrier on the left has such a dignified look. Are bull terriers that look like that still preserved somewhere?
>anxiety-filled wreck
Tell us more. How did it happen? Were they bread for vigilance or something?

>Has stayed practically the same
>Practically

So ur agreeing that they have changed
So ur saying they evolved

/thread

Lower case it and pluralise it. Always remind the crazies that there are thousands and don't give it any undeserved respect by capitalising it.

bumping for an answer to

Who keeps bumping this shitty bait thread?