Why the FUCK aren't you learning another language?

girlDog
girlDog

How, in duolingo? You could as well roast a frenchman and hope that eating him will give you the knowledge of his language.

All urls found in this thread:

ankiweb.net/shared/info/822208674
amazon.com/Introduction-Greek-Cynthia-W-Shelmerdine/dp/1585101842

happy_sad
happy_sad

私は日本語を学んでいます

Bidwell
Bidwell

2017.
Learning chink runes.
Not learning a European language.

massdebater
massdebater

That "quip" was probably better in your mind.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

ore mo, yo!

Playboyize
Playboyize

Pero vaya que cosa tan loca, caballero.
los monolinguos jeje

Methnerd
Methnerd

Parce que j'sais le francais comme enfant.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

2017
Using words in a line to write with
Not using symbols in a grid to write with

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Qué estás diciendo, payaso.

SniperGod
SniperGod

I speak English. You learn my language, not the other way around.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

proud of being monolingual

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

It's not so much pride as expectation. I expect you to adhere to the way I speak.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

*sharts*

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

I want to learn another language, but have no idea which.

There's a bunch of languages in Europe, but as I'm not thinking of moving to any non-English European country, I don't see much point in learning one.

Was thinking Chinese or Japanese. I'd like to visit Japan or Greece.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

because i got lucky. i grew up bi-lingual. we learn 1-4 other languages in school.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

English is literally savage tier. Shitty vocabulary, its grammar reveals an understanding of the world that is no deeper than that one holded by a retarded person or a baby. It's the kind of language neanderthals would have hypothetically used.

whereismyname
whereismyname

That's a rather solipsistic way of thinking. My mother tongue is English too, but I'm not so stupid as to think that my language is the measure of all. But I guess that's more of an American way of looking at things than anything else.

Nojokur
Nojokur

What's better, French or Spanish? my guilty pleasure are romance stuff, I do my serious reading in English

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Should I learn Latin?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Gonna buy a book in Serbian soon just to be able to read it more fluently, don't know jack shit in terms what words mean, but hey, it's a start.

Other than that, I'm not American, so I already know two languages.

Just pick one that sounds cool then if you're not going to have any major use for it.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

You speak it terribly lol.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

not learning Russian solely so you can read the classics in their untranslated form

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

I do it in purpose

King_Martha
King_Martha

Now write a short poem in it

takes2long
takes2long

Because it takes a lot of time and effort that I'd rather put into other things.

Techpill
Techpill

Yes. Latin should be obligatory for anyone with half a brain.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Im doing that right now.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

cause i want to get back my 23 and me first to see what i would like to learn

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Very weird to use 学ぶ here, just say 勉強します, you won't sound like some old-fashioned freak.

viagrandad
viagrandad

I've been learning Russian for about 7-8 months now. I'm finally at the point where I can ready Harry Potter in translation while leaning on a dictionary. So from here on out I'm taking words from it and throwing them in an anki deck as I go. My main goal with Russian is reading so I don't care much about my production skills. I'm also terrible at listening but watching trash tv shows is helping with that.

A strategy I would recommend is start with Duolingo to drill in the super basic stuff, then abandon it for a grammar book and anki decks. Once you have a good grasp of the grammar go back to duolingo solely as a vocab builder for best results. Although beginning to read with dual readers and stufc would probably give better results at thus point. On top of all this consume whatever you can in the language. For Russian I browse threads on /int/ and двa.ч, as well as reading the news in Russian.

askme
askme

So far French has been incredibly easy to learn. There's also a lot of high quality French media to read, watch and listen to which makes it a lot more enjoyable. I'm going to finish Duolingo then maybe buy some grammar books and read basic fiction.

Booteefool
Booteefool

it's easy to learn because a lot of the conjugation are not necessary

now if i ask you distinguish between the uses of
1st form past or 2nd form past and more-than-perfect or even anterior future while giving examples i don't think you'd be able to do it properly yet, in fact a large percent of the population DON'T even know how to use them because unless you want to write stuff that sound like it was written 500 years ago you simply don't need them.

subjunctive and conditional aren't necessary unless you want to write theater pieces

King_Martha
King_Martha

I fucked 4-5 girls in a month in southern france and didnt speak a word

i probably wont ever learn or try to become fluent.

Spamalot
Spamalot

I'm going there (and around Europe) in December with a friend. Where to meet girls? Should I stay at hostels and then just go to bars/clubs at night?

5mileys
5mileys

Tienes que volver btw

idontknow
idontknow

What its the best app system program, for Android, to learn languages?
I already know Duolingo.

Skullbone
Skullbone

Can you recommend some Anki decks?

They're both applicable. Don't be a pedant.

Anki

StonedTime
StonedTime

There's a 2000 Russian verbs anki deck I like. It provides conjugation and aspects.

Outside of that I make them myself for vocab I find when reading

FastChef
FastChef

2017
not learning Ithkuil

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

This one?

ankiweb.net/shared/info/822208674

Do you know any decent grammar guides besides Duolingo? Especially for reference.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Why?

Bidwell
Bidwell

Yes.
Get the penguin Russian course.
It's an excellent easy to read book on Russian grammar that will get you up fo speed on the most basic vocab as well

iluvmen
iluvmen

Thanks!

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Also it's easily found in PDF form.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Nice thing about Ithkuil is that, hypothetically, it would enable you to actually think faster.

King_Martha
King_Martha

What should I learn, Russian, Greek, or Latin?

I already speak a romance language so I feel like Latin would be the easiest, but I also would like to talk to people in foreign languages too.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Russian.

You have no use for Greek or latin aside from the ability to impress people with them. Russian is still equally as impressive.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

French has some beautiful poetic ztuff, but im a sucker for spanish. Pure beauty, and imo more emotional

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Latin and Greek would help me with reading classic literature. On the other hand, Russian would help with russian lit. I can't decide

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Be nice to be able to speak the language you learn however.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

2017
learning Eurocuck language

happy_sad
happy_sad

subscribing to Sapir-Whorf nonsense
You know what actually makes you think faster? Not being retarded

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Latinitas hoc filo deest. Lingua mea materna est anglica et linguas Germanorum Hispanorumque disco praeter id Romanorum, paret tamen linguam Latinam esse formosissimam ac (quale potissimum est) patricissimam. Antiquos, cum imposuerint Latinam ut fundamentum totius sententiae subtilis et probae, recte egisse puto. Indecorum est gentes mundi hanc linguam clarissimam reliquisse! Ita facientibus, non solum ab animis antiquiatis, sed etiam ab scriptoribus tam recentibus quam est Iacobus Joyce (id est omnes qui in scola latina didicerunt) abrumpimur.

Si mea Latina alicubi est falsa, ut eam corrigatis quaeso.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

quod est ipsum frigus et delicatus

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

I just realized, "id" should be "eam." Quod peccatum stultum!

Quis ais?

Spamalot
Spamalot

learned a language for 10 years
visited its country for 2 years
still either have to move there for 30 years or read endless grammar books in order to perfect it

At least I can read meme books now

happy_sad
happy_sad

Which one? Chaynese?

takes2long
takes2long

I already know all the ones that matter.

w8t4u
w8t4u

tfw i can recognize velaposting from miles away

eGremlin
eGremlin

You sound motivated, I've been "learning" Russian for a little more than a year know, I want to make it my fourth language. Unfortunately I don't find enough time to study it, so I just take a couple of lessons a week with Duolingo and watch some Russian videos. I also listen to Russian popular songs and learn their lyrics, such as Кaтюшa. I'm definitely not fluent yet and am barely able to grasp a couple of word in a speech.
Any advice regarding motivation?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Because I have a hearing disability.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

I am learning English at the moment. Pronunciation is difficult ;_;

cum2soon
cum2soon

Just get the basics down, then mimic what you hear from the dictionary read alouds. English pronunciation is too complicated to waste time on rules. Grasp it as you go, or listen to pronunciations.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

good luck

SniperGod
SniperGod

What language are you coming from?

Also, what said. You'll get it fine by just listening overtime.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

learn latin, then russian. if you still have the desire in a few years, learn greek (which will be much easier after russian and latin).

i learned latin in high school using the cambridge latin coursebooks—since they don't lean on rote memorization like wheelock's, et al.

i learned russian using the "golosa" textbooks. i'm not sure if i recommend it without a teacher or classmates, however.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Because French is a useless language and the only one that's interesting to me.

Methnerd
Methnerd

Motivation comes and goes for me to be honest.
There are days where I do little to no formal study (anki, duolingo, reading a book), but as you say I'll always find time to try to read some news in Russian or watch a video or something. I'm progressing slower than I could be.

I can't motivate myself to get better at listening at all. Listening is very demoralising to learn because so little sinks in at first. My main goal is to read in Russian so I content myself with focusing on that.

girlDog
girlDog

I-I-I am though.

Europe is becoming less and less relevant. Russia and China, on the other hand, are growing in relevance year after year.

It would actually make more sense to study Portuguese and Spanish and focus on South/Central American growth opportunities than a European one (possibly even African growth potential - which is what the Chinese gov't is doing, btw).

Not to mention, Japan, China, South Korea, and Russia are really the only competition American technological innovation has.

Sorry Euros, it's true. (England and Switzerland are exceptions, or at least partial exceptions, but that's also why they aren't a part of the Euro.)

happy_sad
happy_sad

one single 'current' year
stuck in linear time with grid of language doodles

hairygrape
hairygrape

Only some Americans - the dumb ones. You'll notice many of the most highly educated, and wealthiest, Americans are currently learning Mandarin Chinese. Others are learning Russian, Arabic, and Portuguese/Spanish. From an American point of view, these are generally the most relevant languages - for reasons which vary.

SniperGod
SniperGod

It was used for centuries by the well educated. Therefore, you will be forced to rely on translators to do large amounts of historical scholarship for you without it. Also, it makes your English/romance language vocabulary skyrocket.

I'm an English speaker, but I can understand a significant amount of romantic vocabulary simply due to my studies in Latin.

It's historic significance to the West is basically unrivaled.

eGremlin
eGremlin

But Anon I only just recently learnt english

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

What's this? OwO

Illusionz
Illusionz

What do you consider to be a good language then?

farquit
farquit

Non-native speaker?

English is infinitely subtle and nuanced. Stop listening to Americans.

happy_sad
happy_sad

私は日本語を勉強したくない

hairygrape
hairygrape

Myжики, дaвaйтe я бyдy yчить вac pyccкoмy, нy тaм coвeты кaкиe тo дaвaть, a вы взaмeн мeня aнглийcкoмy? Чё, кaк вaм мыcль?

Playboyize
Playboyize

Je parle français mieux que toi.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

What made you want to learn serbian? I'd like to learn the language as well, however I'm struggling to find resources. Not even my local library carries books related to learning serbian.

eGremlin
eGremlin

all the russaboos ITT
As Ivan, it's so strange to me. I don't even remember the last time I've read anything in russian that wasn't poetry. Maybe I'm just retarded but in prose the language hardly even matters to me, unless we're talknig about really bad translations, I feel the same while dabbling in english, russian, or german, not to mention that 20th century russian novels are crap anyway.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Everyone cares about your 19th century novels and poetry. As a Russian learner it's genuinely my only reason to learn the language.

That and I'm an unemployed loser with nothing better to do.

Soft_member
Soft_member

So many of my favourite novels are written in Russian. I feel like something is lost in translated texts. It's not the authors words anymore.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Heptapod B from the movie 'Arrival'
cf. the short story 'Story of Your Life' by Ted Chiang, on which the movie is based

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

The learn Chinese meme is dead desu.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

I barely have anything worth saying in English.
Saying the same dumb shit I'm already saying, but in a different language, isn't high on my list of priorities.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

You'll notice many of the most highly educated, and wealthiest, Americans are currently learning Mandarin Chinese
Citation Needed

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Ye. China has been teetering on the edge of economic collapse for a while now. They'll hold out for another year or two at most unless they can curb the building bubble

w8t4u
w8t4u

So from here on out I'm taking words from it and throwing them in an anki deck as I go

Should be doing this from the beginning m8. Maybe I should learn more languages (I'm in my 4th) before speaking authoritatively, but each experience leads me to believe that vocabulary must precede everything.

TreeEater
TreeEater

I agree. I regret not properly focused on vocabulary at the start. You don't realise the importance until you've already got the grammar down and realise just how far you are from anywhere because you don't have the vocab

iluvmen
iluvmen

Lol, no, it isn't.

You obviously don't know much about finance.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

No, If you want to verify it, get those fat hands of yours clicking and go do some research you lazy shit.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

I can't even begin to imagine from where you derived such an asinine perspective.

Snarelure
Snarelure

this is such bar talk

viagrandad
viagrandad

coincidentally - educated, wealthy american here who is beginning to learn mandarin chinese.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Nobody really gives a shit, duolingo is a shit site regardless.

TechHater
TechHater

I was born Russian, but a plebian life made me forget how to read it. I understand and speak it fine, though it's quite rusty. I'll polish it later on.

For now, I want to learn Ancient Greek, but I'm relying on books. What can /lit recommend? Difficulty doesn't matters. I just want something quintessential and comprehensive.

whereismyname
whereismyname

duolingo is shit and you probably dont know aynthing lol

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Athenaze is the closes thing to the "standard" text (at least for Attic Greek, which is probably what you mean when you say "ancient"), but you must stay away from the unrevised version of the latest edition because it has many atrocious errors, and from what I understand even the revised version is still pretty lackluster. Sorry, bruv. I think I used the second edition, so maybe you can look for that. On the bright side, your knowing Russian should make learning the language much easier, because you're already familiar with inflection.

iluvmen
iluvmen

Most people don't learn languages to travel to a place tho, unless you're going to work or study there, or you're going to a poorer nation where most people probably don't understand english.

It's about the culture, the news, the politics, the media, etc. And if you're going to socialize further than one-night stands it's also a good idea to not expect everyone in a social gathering to speak english for you.

Emberburn
Emberburn

qualcuno vuole parlare italiano con me? ti posso parlarti in inglese se vuoi

Evilember
Evilember

I moved to France just to learn the language.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

I see no reason to. There is no specific foreign literature that interests me enough, nor are there any foreigners I want to speak to. If I were to learn a language it would be Latin, simply to help with reading older literature. I don't think that is a good enough reason, though.

RumChicken
RumChicken

Si, sto imparando Italiano perche lavoro in il ristorante italiano, e il mio padre e italiano ma lui non parla cuando ero un bambino. Parlo inglese, francese, curdi e farsi.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Because all languages are steadily merging into one.

Give it another century, and we'll all be speaking Hinglish, Singlish or some such interlanguage.

Supergrass
Supergrass

Spend 5 years learning a language.
Wait 100 years for language to coelesce.

Full retard.

MPmaster
MPmaster

5 years to learn 1 language out of hundreds
not understanding the benefits of gradation
Right back atcha, anon.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

mandami un email, sara bello parlare

FastChef
FastChef

qui : [email protected]

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Im 27. That ship has already sailed.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

This board is more about intelligence than politics so how can you be proud of being monolingual?

Are you even able to learn a second language?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

No language in history has had the translation quality and quantity that contemporary English has.

It's a master key. Unless you have a specific, rational (rather than idealist) reason to learn something else, don't bother.

cum2soon
cum2soon

what languages you know?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

holded

Dumb ESL

Playboyize
Playboyize

I understand from you post that you speak only 1 language. Are you aware that translations change completely the work specially if the prose is more artistic? Things that may sound beautiful in one language becomes banal in the translation because it was crafted for the original language, then there is the problem with slangs, sayings etc..

Methshot
Methshot

Joseph Conrad didn't learn English till he was in his 20's and his skills at it are renowned. Tolstoy similarly was learning new languages when he was in his 60's.

It's a myth that you have to learn a language from childhood or you'll never learn it, but it's really convenient for the lazy/uninspired.

TreeEater
TreeEater

He's dumb because he conjugated one word wrong?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Not that guy, but it's ironic. The fact that he erred in such a novice way undermines everything his comment says/suggests.

SniperGod
SniperGod

It's a profoundly basic mistake that only one unfamiliar with the language could possibly make. And that very same person was spouting shit about how this language he doesn't even master is primitive.

StonedTime
StonedTime

SHALOM

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

I would recommend Shelmerdine's Introductory Greek. It's the book we use in my Ancient Greek class, and I think it's a very solid intro. It has a good vocabulary selection, a wide variety of excercises, and some good original readings from Herodotus and the like. Here's a link:

amazon.com/Introduction-Greek-Cynthia-W-Shelmerdine/dp/1585101842

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Latin as someone said earlier helps with vocab for romantic languages, russian has a shit ton of great lit and is still spoken, i would disregard ancient greek, sure its great for a small amount of very old literature, but just hasnt got the benefits of russian and latin

Booteefool
Booteefool

romantic languages
romance fuck my bad

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Lmaoing @ monolinguals right now.

idontknow
idontknow

studying latin through LLPI
suddenly this
What the fuck, I cannot even read textbooks without encountering cuck shit now. Are Julius's sons also, hm, his wife's?

DeathDog
DeathDog

Spoiler:

Tandem Aemilia Julium amare incipiet.

JunkTop
JunkTop

Except that Greek is a better language than Latin in every single way. Sic quoque Romani juvabant.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

this shit is so fucking paradoxical fluency isn't something you can rank as a percentage, either you are fluent or you aren't it's the fucking definition of fluent itself

Supergrass
Supergrass

Uses Duolingo
Has actually convinced himself that he is "learning" a language

cum2soon
cum2soon

This, holy fuck why do people keep falling for these ineffective meme programs - duolingo, rosetta etc..

Methnerd
Methnerd

thinking you can learn a language with duolingo

Go to France and learn the language for real, you fucking pleb

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

You shouldn't go to France without knowing any French. You should at least have a basic comprehension otherwise you won't really learn anything. French are very pissy when it comes to language, the older ones in particular.

Spamalot
Spamalot

The highest you can get in "fluency" is 56% or 58%. They know it's meaningless, and everyone treats it as such.

farquit
farquit

why do people keep falling for these ineffective meme programs

Because they're better than not doing any program at all? Just a guess.

Inmate
Inmate

hurr durr a language's grammar is a systemization that metaphysically determines what sort of understanding its speakers can attain
hurr durr german is analytical
hurr durr french is sophisticated
hurr durr italian is sensual
hurr durr latin is powerful

How stupid to you have to be to fall for this meme? X is Y. It's Power Rangers tier analysis.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Reading a book is infinitely better.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

relatively low verbal IQ score
would rather just focus on english and get better at that than learn another language

idk maybe my thinking is flawed and learning another language would help me with language as a whole. I really like english tho

Flameblow
Flameblow

Learning another language will improve your English. You'll be forced to think about grammar systematically.
Learning another language will also help you get de-memed.
When an object/idea has multiple names it gives you power over the object/idea rather than its name having power over you.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

I always had that debate in my head, having another person's input might have just pushed me over the edge. I will look into another language. Thanks anon

MPmaster
MPmaster

I don't really feel like learning Arabic, anon.

farquit
farquit

Learn Latin bruv. It is the prince of tongues.

w8t4u
w8t4u

Stop trying to meme people into learning meme languages.

iluvmen
iluvmen

why are you shitposting on Veeky Forums?

idontknow
idontknow

Make sure it's Indo-European or else you're just wasting your time.

If you struggle with languages then I'd recommend something like German. It's (literally) a good middle-ground between meme-tier French/English and the inflection hell of Latin/Slavic languages.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

I've got a lot of other stuff I'm working on. Realistically, the time just isn't there.

Would rather finish my novel.

Methnerd
Methnerd

Sure, it's better than not doing anything at all. Skipping on one leg everywhere is better than not walking at all, that doesn't mean there aren't more effective methods.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

There is a reason it WAS (no longer is) a meme for so long. Don't knock it until you've tried it. It teaches precision in thinking like no other language, and it is also very beautiful. There's a reason it was the basis of all education up until the late 19th century.

Firespawn
Firespawn

There's a reason it was the basis of all education up until the late 19th century.
Yes, but the reasons you listed are not among them.

RavySnake
RavySnake

implying there is any reason to learn a secondary language when you're already fluent in English

DeathDog
DeathDog

Reading.
He actually reads translations

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Latin is literally a meme. Even romans preferred speaking greek, byzantines abandoned it completely, in medieval it was only used by church pedophiles, and then was briefly ressurrected by the renaissance hipsters only to die again

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Id argumentum non est.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

claims to care about intelligence
doesn't understand that the opportunity cost of learning multiple languages is not worth it considering the time spent learning said languages could've been better spent learning other things
doesn't understand that being monolingual is optimal for increasing knowledge

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

root ereader
install RU-EN dictionary
can read Dostoyevsky with my rusty Russian and easily translate any words that make me stumble with a tap of the screen

What a time to be alive.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

It was the lingua franca of the educated world for over a thousand years and there's literally more Latin language literature than you could read in an entire lifetime. You're either trolling or retarded.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Socrates and Schopenhauer were right, technology will make us retarded

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Gut gemacht Slytherins, sehr gut gemacht

ALLERDINGS

Soft_member
Soft_member

Ur already retarded and i don't think technology was a factor lel

w8t4u
w8t4u

whatever nerd, if you love socrates so much why don't you give up the written word?

Bidwell
Bidwell

So do I, that's no excuse! You don't have to be able to speak/hear it well to get enjoyment out of reading and writing another language. If you want to that is.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

doesn't understand that being monolingual is optimal for increasing knowledge

[citation needed]

Skullbone
Skullbone

Why would you waste your time learning french?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

French is one of the richest languages when it comes to literature. You should really know these sort of things when coming to a literature board.

FastChef
FastChef

doesn't understand that being monolingual is optimal for increasing knowledge

while i don't know if this could be considered true, i've always thought something similar.
For example, if instead of learning a foreing language you just focus on perfectioning your mother tongue by the rest of your life, wouldn't you be able to have one of the most destacated writing styles in your language?

Still, i find learning a widely-spoken language such as english has a great amount of benefits, such as a larger access to information and the capability of being able to speak with a giant internet community.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Yeah, but French is also the language of France. You should really know these things before coming on a literature board too.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

You can learn a language without ever talking to a native you know, much less visit the country where it is spoken.

Lunatick
Lunatick

Duh. What I meant was, the French are the underclass of western civilisation, why would anyone ever want to talk like them?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

The French suck, but I wouldn't call them the underclass of civilization. Nevertheless most people here learn languages to read, not to speak. At least that is what I do.

viagrandad
viagrandad

Name one good French writer that wasn't Sartre or Camus.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Missed /pol/ again, son?

takes2long
takes2long

Guy de Maupassant

Inmate
Inmate

I said GOOD writer.
No, I said French writer, not French nazi.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

I'm learning Python. It has far more use than any of the other languages mentioned here.

Methshot
Methshot

Verne, Dumas, Victor Hugo, Rimbaud

TreeEater
TreeEater

Is asked for good writers.
Gives the cliches.
Wew lad.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

#kodewithkarlie

SniperGod
SniperGod

They're genuinely good writers though. What is the problem?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

They are French. Come on Frenchie, wake up.

RumChicken
RumChicken

I actually agree. Programming languages are seriously underrated as vehicles for creative expression. Well-organised, debugged, and structured code is really pleasurable to read

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Sounds like a solution more than a problem though.

FastChef
FastChef

You misspelled 'situation'.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

yeah me too, if 4chan was in another language it will probably give me enough motivation to learn it but for now i'll juts stay a bilingual pleb

Nojokur
Nojokur

I am using Anki for Hiragana and Katakana and I think that I could be learning these characters at a faster pace than Anki wants me to. Did anyone feel this way, what did you do?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

holy....

farquit
farquit

/int/ has generals where different nations speak their native language all the time
/jp/ board has japanese

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Kek

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Yet here we are speaking it :^)

Illusionz
Illusionz

ok but certain african languages cant count past like 3. that shit has to limit their intellectual horizons

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Ich lerne Deutsch, aber Duolingo ist Scheiße. Ich habe 80% fließend, aber ich kann verstehe nicht, wann echte deutsch gesprochen ist. Und mein schreiben ist quatsch

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

fucking every single one

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Camus prose is autistic

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Even Pierre L'tronde?

No he isn't, don't you lie - shut your whore mouth.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Denn ist dein Gehirn quatsch.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

weil meine deutsche ist schisse

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

And it's authentic!

Soft_member
Soft_member

only about 50% of his country "writers" are worth reading
french writers and poets are so good even the pleb level is top tier and obscure one are still fucking miles better than anything anglos ever made
even our fucking antisemitist(celine) have excellent prose

farquit
farquit

HAHAHAHAHA!

happy_sad
happy_sad

As it happens, I do intend to learn French someday, but there's already enough shit going on with me right now. I don't want to stack learning French on top of it all. Give it time; I'll do it eventually. Still a young man yet. Right now I'm working on my writing.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

:(

cum2soon
cum2soon

I see what you did there. HAH!

Inmate
Inmate

I like this.

Methnerd
Methnerd

Duolingo only teaches you some meme expressions to be honest. Still better than autistically repeating flashing cards.

Reading is goat. Look into German graded readers torrent and work your way up, you have texts from A1 to B2 there.

Snarelure
Snarelure

You know, it's the same assholes who call duolingo shit who actually aren't learning another language in the first place.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Yeah but I'm the kind of asshole that gives you a much better alternative.

Or you can keep playing your "language learning game" because it's nothing more than that. It's purpose is to entertain and make kiddos like you think they're doing hard language learning work by winning XP.

Lunatick
Lunatick

For example, if instead of learning a foreign language you just focus on perfecting your mother tongue by the rest of your life, wouldn't you be able to have one of the most destacated writing styles in your language?

I think this anon made a valid point. You can always just look up words, but by learning a new language it forces you to translate thoughts differently.

When an object/idea has multiple names it gives you power over the object/idea rather than its name having power over you.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Thanks. I tested B1 on the Goethe institute website but that's about as far as you can get with duo only teaching vocabulary. I'm also translating one Rilke poem a day; that seems to help.

Booteefool
Booteefool

and how is duolinguo not making you learn anything even if you are memorizing and applying(albeit in a repetitive and kinda autistic manner) is possible?

it's childish but it work for a lot of peoples, it's supposed to be a head start into learning a language not a complete guide

viagrandad
viagrandad

what makes you think that somebody learning another language ONLY uses duolingo?

No one single source is going to teach you another language, you're going to have to use dozens of them eventually.

If duolingo gets the ball rolling, then who gives a flying fuck?

And once again, you're not actually learning another language, so who gives a shit what you have to say?

happy_sad
happy_sad

lit isn't completely brain dead yet

Inmate
Inmate

Awesome dude, keep it to, it's a big achievement to get to B1 on your own.
Nigga I'm not saying duo is complete shit, I'm using it daily but you have to recognize its limits. Read my post, I said it teaches some expressions, that's obviously better than nothing but you can make far more progress with actual textbooks, reading, interacting with natives or other learners.
Kys

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

You're like those faggits that think doing pushups is a sure good way to get you ready for the gym. Just start lifting you fag

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Mamihlapinatapai: a look shared by two people, each wishing that the other would initiate something that they both desire but which neither wants to begin.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Dubs decide which language should i learn this summer.
Anything goes except nerd shit like klingon.
I'll post results.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Japanese!!

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

greenlandic

idontknow
idontknow

All men should learn Sanskrit.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

turkish

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

latin

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

ayy

Emberburn
Emberburn

fucking shit lmao.
gonna start now and post progress in a week.
at least i guess there is some good turkish lit, right?

SniperWish
SniperWish

learn french

Skullbone
Skullbone

any piece of turkish literature older than 100 years is filled with arabic and persian words that hardly anyone knows.
pic related was written in 1919 by an author who participated in the movement that purified the language. its got 7 footnotes for words like i mentioned in the first page of the book. it tells something.
there are still good writers and poets in 20th century though.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

so it's not a good lit language compared to others.
shit, at least i will be able to shitpost in three different languages

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

I'm already bilingual. Fluent in Spanish and English. Moving to other types of languages like C++ and Java.

Snarelure
Snarelure

im already literate; im a spic

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

I am

Techpill
Techpill

I'm currently learning french, I'm having trouble understanding exactly what each sentence is supposed to mean but I can still get a grasp

I'm currently reading Le Petit Prince but wow it's hard for me. Anyone recommend a book that is easy for beginners but like absurdly easy? Like a children's book but not as complex as petit prince

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

you just gotta find something that interests you deeply. after that, the difficulty of the text wont deter you.
I quitted many books because i didnt find them intriguing.
It was the cuckolding forums that did it for me.

Emberfire
Emberfire

пидopác

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

I'm at le Petit prince lvl, where do I go now?

JunkTop
JunkTop

à la recherche du temps perdu bien sûr

Supergrass
Supergrass

Fuck off i am

Playboyize
Playboyize

Call it what you want. 2 languages. Low IQ racist.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

I'm also beginning to teach myself Russian, and want to be able to work up to the more complex works and classics. Is there any easy book you would recommend to start with, something I can understand without too much difficulty?

JunkTop
JunkTop

you're kidding right

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

are you joking right now?

massdebater
massdebater

I've never read it in english so I don't actually know how difficult it is, but I would guess it's requires some advanced knowledge of french.
So yeah I wasn't joking but I suspect to know the answer.

w8t4u
w8t4u

And I only know shit like
Le papillon est noir

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

I'm getting pretty far in Spanish, I'm 27% of the way in. Once I get pretty proficient in spanish, what should I learn next?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

England and Switzerland are shitholes and Russia is a European country.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

My grandfather was send to study in a Russian academy and they made him learn "Eвгeний Oнeгин" by heart in order to learn the language.
He still knows 75% of it .

whereismyname
whereismyname

Learn whatever you want, anon. Once you start learning multiple languages, you realize that it's not a binary. I know French and Latin super well, so I can read Spanish fine and order in a restaurant in Italy and catch a few lines of dialogue in a Romanian movie. If you wanted to master another Romance language, it wouldn't be difficult at all. They're all 90% the same. But if you're more interested in etymology or history or literature, you might want to try an ancient language. Or if you're an animoo weeb you might want to learn Japanese. Or if you're fascinated by the idea that concepts change as they're conveyed by different languages, you can learn ASL. Really, 4chan can't tell you anything about what language you "should" learn next. It'll just get easier and easier the more of them you learn. I know five languages well, not counting the incidental knowledge I mentioned above.

inb4 nonbinary meme

King_Martha
King_Martha

This. I am a native English speaker, but I often find it difficult to express concepts in English, while I can do so in French. For instance, "pourrir" comes to my mind to describe something before "rot," "decay," or "ruin" come to mind because I don't think any of those words properly translate the concept.

Soft_member
Soft_member

it correct but "ce papillon est noir" is more appropriate

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

There are many languages hat i want to learn. I decided to start with japanese and then learn others one at a time.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Learning another language will also help you get de-memed.
What do you mean?

idontknow
idontknow

Because I'm only 19 and already fluent in 5?

Methshot
Methshot

Languages like japanese, mandarin, korean and arabic are hard af

You are better off if you choose a proper western language or one from eastern europe

TreeEater
TreeEater

Come back when you're only 16 and know 12

SniperGod
SniperGod

I bet that was what the French were thinking before English came to prominence.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Like you?
And which, please do tell.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

thinks some bullshit "verbal IQ" score determines whether he can learn a new language
You know, since you're retarded enough to believe this crap, you're probably also too retarded to learn a second language.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

This is the reason people hate americans.
They go anywhere and expect everybody to speak their goddamn language.
No. If you go to France you must speak fucking French.

I'm using Anki to learn some vocabulary. Also Michel Thomas.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

You didn't learn another language in school? I was forced to learn four different languages in school, fucking Americans I swear.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Go to readlang.com and join. It's got a range of short easy stories for a low reading level. Look up "кaк yбить мoнcтpa", it's a goosebumps story translated into Russian.

You can get word definitions by clicking on the word so if you know your grammar it should be easy.

Also if you're willing to throw the words you don't know in anki or something you'll benefit even more.

5mileys
5mileys

And those 4 languages you've learned are nonexistent because you can barely communicate in any of them except English
1-0

takes2long
takes2long

MOOODS

massdebater
massdebater

I forgot 90% of the French I learned, but my Dutch and German are still perfectly fine. How do you figure I can't communicate in any of them?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Well, i will learn western languages, but after japanese. I don't really care about their difficulty, i just want to learn some of them.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Any tips on how to make progress learning Japanese?
I've completed a beginners course and learned the absolute basics, but I am not sure how to continue.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Provided you're referring to so-called “practical” knowledge, you should be aware that languages are certainly the most valuable assets on the markets, more than is the degree once you have some experience. Many countries have a comparative advantage over the United States, because the workforce is more likely to master English on top of its native language(s). There's nothing optimal in lacking such an expensive and recognized asset.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

so you're fluent in 2 languages that you've learned in high-school ?
but you've forgot 90% of the french ?
okay bud-DY>

takes2long
takes2long

How many foreign languages do you know besides English, out of curiosity?

iluvmen
iluvmen

Three.

Inmate
Inmate

im monolingual and make 6 figures at age 23 literally only because i have a cs degree and im not even good at cs

likme
likme

Read Genki 1 and 2, then read kids books and work your way up. Also spend a few months in Japan on WWOOF or helpx.

Methshot
Methshot

Which ones?

I hope you won't mind if I have struggle to believe that.

Methnerd
Methnerd

i literally don't believe you .

Snarelure
Snarelure

Russian, French, and Hebrew.

Skullbone
Skullbone

it's ridiculously common. look at avg starting salaries at google, amazon, microsoft, facebook, etc. i mean ffs amazon will hire you without a human being ever speaking to you these days

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

French is your native language, it doesn't count. How would you rate your command of Hebrew and Russian?

I've never seen it.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

I've never seen it.
ok well it's very common. the majority of the people i know that i graduated with are monolingual and are making six figures (most doing better than me).

StonedTime
StonedTime

If you're the same guy, tell me what languages you speak and what programming language to get into.

please senpai

eGremlin
eGremlin

i only speak english

learn java if you want money.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

No it's not actually, my mother tongue is Russian, i'd say from a scale of 1-10 my English and Hebrew are 10/10 while French is at around 7/10.

Just lacking vocabulary, comprehension and communication skills are not the problem.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Interesting. Your errors are typical of French people, I would have sworn you were from France.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Your replies contradictory, you're stating that you're mediocre at CS, while stating huge companies like facebook/microsof/amazon are paying out 6 figures.

Yet those companies won't EVER hire mediocre guys like """YOU""" to do a job that another person does WELL.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

what errors ?

Spamalot
Spamalot

you're right in that they shouldn't. but hiring people is hard and costs money so their systems are very flawed and gameable. doing well on them is like doing well on the sat except you get a billion tries because you can interview at a bunch of different places. and the skills needed to succeed are just general problem solving ability which you can learn easily through practicing for like a month

girlDog
girlDog

how can i learn french phrases that come handy in daily life? I mean stuff like botter en touche or parler petit negre.

takes2long
takes2long

i think you mean idioms, just look up an idiom book on french.

w8t4u
w8t4u

you've learned
high-school
of the french
French, and Hebrew
from a scale
my English
French is at around

The supernumerary space next to strong punctuation and the failure to handle strong verbs well, on top of the clumsy grammar, led me to think you were French. Mea culpa.

Sorry to tell you, but I simply don't believe anything you said. It just doesn't reconciliate with my own experience and it just doesn't seem to make sense.

I'd say to speak and read French!

Methshot
Methshot

except for "on a scale" i don't see what's wrong.
mind correcting it please ?

TreeEater
TreeEater

why don't you do some research then and it will corroborate what i'm saying

RavySnake
RavySnake

learnt
highschool
of French
French and Hebrew
on a scale
English
French is around
Note that it isn't necessary incorrect, yet “wrong”, as it doesn't sound natural/coherent. “High-school” is rarely used and when it is, it's usually an adjective. Also, English typography doesn't require a space before strong punctuation. As far as I know, the only Indo-European language that does it is French, hence my assumption.

I have no doubt you could get me a website that would prove your point, but I simply never saw such a thing in my entire life.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

firstly im a different guy
"what errors ?"
space before the question mark is a french thing.
you might also be misusing comma and period in numbers.
In english 2.5 means two and a half, in french 2,5 is used instead.
obviously vice versa for the marks put every 3 number to make it easy to read. 1,000 and 1.000 mean thousand in english and french respectively.

TechHater
TechHater

Should lit have /languagelearning/ thread? Would mods allow it?

Seems like a good idea, having a place for anons to exercise with foreigners and share resources (videos, music, books, exercises websites, etc.)

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Not him, but 'learnt' is fine.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Yes, I should have mentioned that.

I'd gladly support that! There's already such a structure on /int/ if I recall correctly, but we could have one here, with a focus on literature and philosophy.

I take it you meant “learned”. It is, but it's rather uncommon.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

止めてください、アノンさん。
それは無理です......

cum2soon
cum2soon

'Learnt' is the British/International English preferred way; 'learned' the American way.

iluvmen
iluvmen

Yeah, I must say that, at least as an American, I hardly ever see "learnt" and it feels wrong to me. And does not "learned it well" have a superior kind of phonetic fluidity to "learnt it well"?

Snarelure
Snarelure

I learned it.

It was learnt.

Skullbone
Skullbone

Well, that's an error of mine, then. I didn't know it.

Since “learned” suppresses the “r” unlike “learnt”, no. Also, “learnt” can still be voiced upon circumstances.

SniperGod
SniperGod

As a Brit, I would say the latter has more 'fluidity'. You do not have to switch awkwardly between the voiced 'd' and the unvoiced 't'.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

learn-TIT-well.

RumChicken
RumChicken

Degenerate

StonedTime
StonedTime

Learning Japanese.

Still think that they should abort their runes and go with latin characters instead.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

learn-DIT-well

Your point?

Remember, that most Brits don't pronounce 't' at all.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

I wish they would decide on using only one set of runes instead of three.

Illusionz
Illusionz

Kanji alone?

I think you wish instead they would rather drop one.

farquit
farquit

Either hiragana OR katakana would be enough. If you want to express things like foreign origin or mood, just use variations of one syllabary instead of using another complete set just for the fuck of it.

w8t4u
w8t4u

Learning both is easy, and could be achieved in a matter of weeks. Also, there's no difference in sound. There have been attempts to use one, or two, or to entirely romanized Japanese but they all failed. There are too many homophones.

likme
likme

could be achieved in a matter of weeks.
Yeah, but that doesn't make it less retarded. You can learn Cyrillic symbols in a relatively short time too, but that doesn't mean you should start mixing them into your English sentences.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

I'm "26% fluent" in French after a week on Duolingo for like an hour a day. The fluency percent is a joke.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Why? The programs are literally the equivalent of exercises in a book, but more automated with more visual and auditory feedback. Veeky Forums gets too obsessed with the idea that books do everything better.

I'm not saying you shouldn't read books, but programs compliment the books in the exact same way exercises in the books do.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Doing some meme exercises isn't nearly as effective as learning grammar rules and just reading classic literature with a dictionary at hand

King_Martha
King_Martha

I can't do X because I have shit going on
The thing about life is that there's always shit going on. Grow a pair and start learning now.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Grammar rules are important sure, though duolinguo also contains grammar lessons.

Reading anything more than a children's book when starting out is going to be 90% a waste of your time, you'd be spending far longer turning pages in a dictionary than you would reading.

But who am I kidding, this is Veeky Forums, lots of people here get off on doing needless difficult shit to get a sense of superiority.

idontknow
idontknow

Nnosense. If you cram the grammar rules and 800-1000 most common words, you can begin reading foreign literature with some confidence. Also, bilingual editions exist, another good idea is to read your own favourite novels, for which you already know the story and general context

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

I started to learn English reading a visual novel (Tsukihime). While it is doable, there are better ways to learn.

Reading books is a must, but I don't think it is the best way to go if you're starting. It would be like learning violin playing music - you don't, you practice scales and etudes, exercises that pin-point a very specific matter, and once you know each technique required, it's time to put it all together; I would apply the same to language learning.

Once a person has a basic grasp of vocabulary, he may start reading books, but I think literature would still be a wrong step, because literature is highly complex, the grammar is not always followed and it is very much oriented to be stylistically attractive. In this case, reading non-fiction books is advisable because the language is often plain and simple.

My humble advice:
- Avoid Duolingo, Rosetta Stone and similar, they will not be particularly useful. They aren't useless, but there are better ways to spend your time.
- Go to piratebay. Torrent "Michelle Thomas Complete V3".
Michelle Thomas is a superb teacher. He will do for you in one hour more than Duolingo in ten hours.
- Download Anki and Anki Decks. It works like a charm to increase vocabulary.
- Get non-fiction books to practice reading, nothing technical - if you're learning French and practice with postmodern philosophy you will be dead on waters in no time. Maybe a History book, scientific divulgation may work too.
- FUCKING STICK WITH IT.
Do it everyday. Progress will not occur with hard work and a high level of commitment.
- Bonus: Pay for some lessons on italki if you can afford it. Don't look for teachers with a degree, look native speakers, the latter are much cheaper. It is obvious that they are not trained to teach you a language, but after you can read some books at a somewhat comfortable level, you may want to practice your speaking skills.

Good luck.
You will be great.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

why is noone suggesting getting a private tutor whose mother tongue is the one you wish to learn?
all i seee is meme website and technieques.
I stroke gold when i found my french teacher.
guy is a living legends, worked with daft punk before they wore masks.
noone cared who i was before i put on the mask
42 bucks for 2 hour lessons

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

how do you find one

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

i used a website for tutors to advertise.
well it was pretty random that i found him.
i live in turkey though. im sure you can find a similar website for your country

5mileys
5mileys

A tutor is always the best, but not everyone can afford a tutor, and many who can can't find someone who fits their schedule

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