how does science reconcile the material workings of the brain with human consciousness?
How does science reconcile the material workings of the brain with human consciousness?
It doesn't yet. Also emergentism somehow...maybe.
its a emergent property of the nuerochemical processes in the brain
just like bloodflow is an emergent property of the processes of the heart beating.
is this to imply that what we see as "awareness" exists in some capacity at all physical levels? otherwise, where does it come from?
No it implies the opposite. That awareness is in fact something that only manifests at a particular level.
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Explaining Phenomenal consciousness away as "just an emergent phenomena" misses that there seems to be more than just function emerging. Water has properties not found in a single H2O molecule, but water properties emerging from H2O molecules together with the rest of the environment is something that at least in theory can be fully reducible. This is not the case with phenomenal experience.
The brain is a very complicated collection of physical particles, interacting in a complex ways that causes you to behave in complex ways. But that should be all that those particles are doing: behaving. Yet that doesn't seem to be the case. You can correlate emotions with a certain area in the brain and say, when these neurons fire in this and this way with this intensity, that's emotion X. You can have a very complex functional understanding of how emotion X is caused and how it affects behavior. But with all that, it still doesn't tell us anything about what it is like to experience emotion X; it completely ignores the qualitative aspect. Consciousness is the only thing in the universe where asking how something functions doesn't seem to be able to give us any conceivable answers to the question of why it feels like something phenomenally from the inside. I think that highlights a big gap between explaining how something functions, and explaining experience. From this gap, we can infer that the frameworks of science clearly misses something here in terms of the structure/format of the explanation. Going by what science tells us about the world, this phenomenal experience should not be there, we should all be philosophical zombies without phenomenal experience, but we aren't.
You think of it like being depth. Depth is nothing by it's own. Depth only happens when you have a volume.
Consciousness is what happens when the brain works. It is a byproduct. The invention of words made consciousness even broader.
Biosemiotics
This is just so terribly wrong and uninformative
Well put. The tendency of materialists to just dismiss qualia as an illusion is not based on any evidence, only the fact that it would mean we have to come up with new assumptions. And resisting that for any reason is unscientific.
This is the only question that keeps me up at night.
It says it's an illusion.
>how does science reconcile the material workings of silicon microprocessors with adobe photoshop?
For fucks sake, machines do what they were built to do, you god damn pseudointellectual.
the only one breaking rules here is you, brainlet
>mobile posting retard calling anyone else a pseud
>he actually thinks that announcing a report through an image is any less bannable
kek. get fucked
>waah i want to be a machine
go to bed autist.
also announcing you have reported someone is against the rules
The mod consensus is that these pseudointellectual philosophy shitposts belong on But still none of you can offer any evidence why the brain is powered by fairytale magic instead of physical laws like literally every other god damn thing in the entire fucking universe.
>waaahhh it's only science if i say so!!!
>muh nonexistent mod consensus!!!!!
take your meds and fuck off
Yes, because any discussion about the brain and how it works is pseudointellectual philosophy. The brain doesn't really exist, it's actually just pure philosophy.
(this is how retarded you sound)
Tell me what is scientific about ignoring actual neuroscience and AI research, and instead saying "hurr it's magic guys"? This thread has nothing to do with science and is just an outlet for your spiritualist crackpottery.
>Tell me what is scientific about ignoring actual neuroscience and AI research, and instead saying "hurr it's magic guys"?
and where exactly in the thread is that happening, you triggered faggot?
did you get molested by a philosopher or something?
The OP is implying it's magic. That's what this thread is about.
clearly the mods disagree with you (rightly so)
you're an idiot.
>comes into thread screaming hurr durr, violating rules, shitting it up and sperging out
>accuses others of hurr durr-ing and shitting up the board
kys phone cancer
>But still none of you can offer any evidence why the brain is powered by fairytale magic instead of physical laws
>things are "powered" by physical "laws"
Sounds like a metaphysical statement, my dude. Does that mean you have to go to Veeky Forums too?
smoke some DMT and find out for yourself that consciousness isnt all that amazing and complicated. you think it is because its the only thing you ever felt. but its puny and fragile.