Post-modernism is accepted to have started as a reaction to modernism, which profoundly marked the 20th century world.
But when exactly did post-modernism end? Or has it not ended yet? And if it has ended, what era after post-modernism are we living in now?
Other than authors who say post-modernism is this or that and make no meaningful critique but just put negative labels, can you please recommend me some philosophical works that thoroughly refuted the entire logical construct behind post-modernism? If there are any of course.
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Andrew Cox
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Charles Smith
>But when exactly did post-modernism end? 76 years and 2 days ago
Luis Johnson
We looped back after hitting modernism again and now we are in nu-post-modernism. In a few years we will become aware of the cycle and our culture will arbitrarily pick a set of values to adopt and enforce. This will be post-sincerity.
Jaxon Carter
Post-modernity isn't even a thing. It's just modernity, nothing has substantially changed since the modern era.
And postmodern philosophy is just sophistry.
Gavin Brooks
Who are you to determine what is a thing and what isn't? I say it's subjective, as that is the nature of categorization, and decide from my own perception that we are living in post modern times. You can blame psychologists and hippies.
Anthony Turner
>and philosophy is just sophistry FTFY
Christian Harris
Well, according to that logic, we're living in the age of enlightenment now and nothing has changed ever since.
The linear scale that western historians try to pain history as, in this regard, has us stuck into a continued world where the principles of empiricism, utilitarianism, functionalism and materialism gains new forms as they evolve.
But we can of course, distinguish the enlightenment and the present.
So i get from your post, that we haven't finished with post-modernism yet? But wouldn't that make it the most longest cultural era of western civilization to date?
Nathan Moore
When Joyce died?
Mason Brown
just going point by point down that list
- productive consumption (your consumption is also the product. eg facebook, instagram, snapchat) - life in different communities - identity from demographic (eg gender, ethnicity, age) - this one is still families - simultaneous desire to reunite with past and break new ground in future - education as a given part of life - plurality of media (goes many ways, instead of two ways) - voluntary indirect control (smart phones and privacy policies means users monitor themselves and submit information to be analysed and monitored) - infra-global (yet not necessarily national. though there has been a resurgence in nationalism lately) - politics is truth (science has been politicized by conservatives through things like climate change denial, intelligent design/evolution denial, anti-vax, etc.
multiple structures instead of lack of structure. curation instead of confusion. to some degree people still create who they want to be, but there is less freedom to create, there is more pressure to be for or against something
dunno what youd call that over all but i think its a definitive enough break from post-modernity
Asher Murphy
Didn't most post-modernist literary authors die already?
Jackson Taylor
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Ryan James
up, pls recommend me at least SOMETHING
Xavier Wilson
A lot of this pic sounds like it's describing the transition from pre-modernism to modernism. e.g. surely modernism was already about breaking with the past? That's why it's called modernism.
Michael Foster
>A lot of this pic sounds like it's describing the transition from pre-modernism to modernism. e.g. surely modernism was already about breaking with the past?
In a sense. Think of fascism or communism. Those modernist ideas were dead on set to change the old social order of european society and completely revolutionise it. Then post-modernism came about and was skeptical about any of the ideals modernism set itself to achieve.
Tyler Jones
>e.g. surely modernism was already about breaking with the past? more like breaking with the present
Jordan Jenkins
Post-modernism will end with the generation just below millennials who were born in a post 9/11 world and raised on the internet. We'll see a post-nuclear society, where instead of the post-modernist idea that if one little thing goes wrong then the whole world explodes. We're lining up for more actual wars once we realize we can fight them without killing everybody. More political assassinations like the one we saw at the end of 2016.
While millennials and GenX were characterized by watching so much change in the turn of the century, the next generation will be born through it.
Also, the defining age for generations is no longer in their 20s, as evident by millennials not being able to accomplish anything so far, and overall doing things much later than their parents(having family's).
Outlook pretty good though, no more cold-war absurdism and nihilism
Sebastian Foster
>fascism >modernist idea u wot m8
Kevin Lopez
Yeah, but Joyce did die 76 years and 2 days ago. So I just figured that's why user mentioned that particular date.
Jonathan Anderson
wow u clearly hjave no idea what u r talking about.......WOW trey again!
Christopher Jenkins
Fascism from the 20th century was completely a modernist idea. Concentrating the power of the country in your personal hands, limiting the freedom of almost every social class, the range of everything that moves, and filtering everything anyone would think, all for the total submission to the state and the greater good of the state's interests, is a purely modernist idea, because it involved all of these sacrifices for the greater common good of people's progress.
Blake Nelson
There's no real consensus to when post-modernism ended. In fact, post-modernism is less a 'reaction' to modernism than a continuation of its logic and incorporates older modernist practices in a more cohesive and coherent way. Similarly, the era we are in now -- generally known as 'contemporary', but this is not very descriptive -- is influenced by modernism and post-modernism both.
Post-modernism isn't exhausted as a source of artistic inspiration and neither is modernism. I think both will be adapted and there will be a (further) rise in fantasy not as escapism, but in a way to understand our own history.
Christian Adams
PostModernists were a bunch of french academics who became nihilistic sophists following the failure of the 1968 revolts. If you can't change the world, why not just make a fortune spewing inane gibberish while living a degenerate pomo lifestyle and banging gullible hot undergrads of all genders. Just look at this man, a literal PUA God.
Blake Rogers
porn
Oliver Anderson
this desu
Camden White
>post-modernism is less a 'reaction' to modernism than a continuation of its logic and incorporates older modernist practices in a more cohesive and coherent way.
Why do you say this?
Logan Martin
1/The Tao Te Ching 2/Compare all available translations 3/???? 4/Profit
Cameron Butler
I have to define modernism as in the influence of the ideas brought about by the rise of the bourgeois intellectuals of the Enlightenment (specifically its utopianism) coinciding with the wild change in life through industralisation, nationalisation, etc. It can probably be traced back even further to 'the Renaissance' and its ideals and reconsideration of man in rationalised space (see the architectural rendering of man and the 'ideal city'). But the ultimate point I'm getting at is the idea of man as blank slate, developing into a morally good and intellectual subject and national. The main idea of this being that the best society is one in which its members engage in free and rational exchange between equals, i.e. liberalism. Postmodernism is in a way a continuation of this project (it is still Marxist really, but communism is the stage after capitalism, which by its reliance on oppression and exploitation only prohibits true liberalism) except they were able to bring about a study of the functions of language (and/as signs).
In the visual arts, this was preceded by conceptualism, or rather a 'post-object' art that questioned the 'modernist' assertions of art i.e. medium specificity (formalism). The most notable of formalist works were abstract expressionism, but these in themselves are a form of conceptualism albeit not as language-based as the stuff of the late 60s. Ab ex and its gesturalism can be found in the automatism of the early Surrealists, which in turn has precedent in Dada -- in fact a lot of the modern movements are basically codified and coherent Dada experiments.
But anyway, conceptualism later allowed the development of institutional critique, which itself relies on the museum-gallery to function as a meaningful artistic statement, much like how post-modernism relies on modernist conventions to support its point, albeit to kind of 'eat away' at all things considered extraneous, to be exposed through post-modern 'objective' exploration of these structures (deconstruction).
And you may not associate post-modernism with objectivity, but that's precisely how it was expressed in the arts. Conceptualism, etc. was 'process art' in which an objective instruction is given and the subject performs these instructions, and the work is self-explanatory; that is to say, it is an autonomous work, just in a different sense to how the modernists conceived of autonomy in art. 'Post-modern explorations' that I mentioned are the same kind of conceptualism that measures extents objectively, in the art world.
Juan Williams
This is also seen in photography, notably 'deadpan' photography from the Dusseldorf school. Conceptualists often used photography to keep record of their work, and this in turn influenced photography as a medium itself. Deadpan also developed from the work of the Bechers who systematically photographed water towers in Germany. Objective recording (and even naming, as you'll find more often than not that photographs have 'objective' descriptions as their titles) is key to appropriation art as seen in Sherrie Levine, which was one of the key developments in a 'postmodern' art. And this too can be found in assemblage, Neo-Dada, readymades, collage (in Cubism, for example), Pop Art (a kind of proto-post-modernism).
Basically it's all connected, man.
Brandon Foster
Also I should make clear the distinction that there is still a kind of mysticism to modernity, even though modernity was supposed to be the great disenchantment of the world. This can obviously be seen in utopianism, but consider how easily fascism can be influenced by paganism, etc. Even Enlightenment thinkers thought there was some underlying balance to all reality, like the belief in the Great Southern continent, etc. Many were Deists too.
Post-modernism is more concerned with material reality than early modernism. It's one particular side of the Enlightenment project, let's say it's the Neoclassicism to the modernist's Rococo, Poussin to Rubens, Realism to Romanticism, Painting to Sculpture, and countless other oppositions in the history of (Western) art.
Austin Morales
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Noah Gonzalez
if you were as postmodern as your epoch would make you (according to your chart), you wouldn't bother with these insipid classifications and would understand perfectly well that the world merely exists, and it is absolutely absurd (and the pinnacle of "modernity") to try and chop up the river of time into neat little intelligible parcels
