> I don't want you to decide for me. I'll decide my own fate. Well I hope you enjoy the choice between 20 different types of detergent. What would us Americans do without such an essential freedom of choice.
>And you're right, environmental commodities don't sell BECAUSE PEOPLE DONT WANT THEM. Ah, I see. You're ignoring the good of mankind, the sustainability of our planet, and the wellbeing of our grandchildern because it doesn't sell. You're literally valuing economic good over the good of humanity. Believe it or not, the two aren't the same.
>Oil is now running out. It is becoming too costly for people to drive their cars. Will the companies keep trying to produce gas burning cars? And they've helped ruin the environment and ruined the way America is designed. Gee, I sure wish we didn't fucking push for everyone to get cars or wastefully produce millions of models a year because "freedom of choice".
>Markets have solved every problem we've had so far, and will continue to do so. They've also caused a good deal of the major problems we're facing today. So I'm not going to be singing their praises.
If you're so brainwashed as to think that a person's fate and freedom is solely defined by their economic choices and what kind of car they choose to drive, or what kind of fast-food they're going to get, not only do you have a cynical and shallow view of life, you're also part of the problem.
Not to mention, by the way, most of these "choices" you're making aren't free. Americans are attacked with ads that are designed to target and bring out your most animal and unthinking self, they're raised to buy certain kind of products, they have limitations based on their income or, for most people, luck. That's hardly liberty or self-determination by anyone's standards.
These are the mean tempature for the day, meaning it's including night temperature, hence why you don't see much above 25°C.
As far back as 1948, you see temperature in June fluctuating between 10°C and 23°C. I don't know exactly the conditions they are measuring it but they had 12,7°C and 20,7°C last year.
We can see the temperature follow more or less the same pattern all along the year and this since the beginning of the century.
Now, there might be discripenties between the two sources if we look a bit deeper but they both say the same thing in the end : That the average monthly temperature are in line with the previous 100 years of data.
What might be different is the rain : In western continental europe, there's currently a serious case of drought, which make the heat much worse than it should be.
Connor Ross
You've gone full Bernie and are a tyrant. I want nothing to do with you and your power grab to try and control my life. Kill yourself
Ethan Smith
Thanks for not giving a shit about the environment or humanity's future. Can't wait for your small town to suffer water shortages.
Aiden Sanders
I sit on some of the largest areas of fresh water on the Earth. You'll be coming to me faggot.
Brandon Reed
>Not to mention how you're ignoring how makor industry has consistently acted against environmentalism purely because it doesn't sell and, in fact, is opposed to consumption.
Not the user you were answering but still : Major energy industries don't oppose ecologists just because "it doesn't sell". They oppose ecologists because going their way would mean having to make huge investment to change a production process that is already working. If you have the choice between continuing exactly as before with a sure chance of profit for your work OR change radically your way of working and have lesser chances of profit, you won't do it. You might do it if the potential chances for profit would be higher than your old ways... or if what allowed the old ways is disappearing.
Rather than whinning about "muh fragile ecosystem", ecologists would have better success if they worked on finding clean energy technologies that are actually more economically efficient than the existing ones. That wouldn't stop oil drilling dead in its tracks but it would reduce private investment into new drilling operations, since money could be invested better in said new ways of producing energy.
Asher Johnson
I'm glad you understand
Daniel Rivera
>If you have the choice between continuing exactly as before with a sure chance of profit for your work OR change radically your way of working and have lesser chances of profit, you won't do it.
It doesn't sell v it doesn't profit-- the point is the same.
Again, the capitalist system requires businesses to care more about their own profits than the greater good--namely the habitability of this planet. It's not so much that heads of coporations are evil and they're holding back progress, I don't mean to make it sound that way, it's that the capitalism itself promotes this, requires this: efficiency, profitability, wealth > human costs.
My point is that it'd be dumb to think that this system could ever save us from impending ecological catastrophe. Our lifestyles and the manner we do business in is inherently opposed to it.
>Rather than whinning about "muh fragile ecosystem", ecologists would have better success if they worked on finding clean energy technologies that are actually more economically efficient than the existing ones. >implying they aren't trying to do this Again though, this drives my point home even further. What if we can't find good clean energy that works as efficiently as oil does? Why aren't we willing to make that sacrifice for the sake of humanity?
Adam Lee
Why? Because people are greedy. Even you're greedy. Tell me, despite all you've said, what phone do you have? Computer? Car? Are you ready to give up all those things? Are you saying you're not greedy? If so, you're the only person to be that way.
The world runs on greed, and won't until there is an unlimited supply of energy. Until then, greed runs the world.
Charles Gutierrez
>Americans are attacked with ads >attacked
Damn... I bet you feel that your brain is being "invaded" each time someone is making a argument, then.
What about the Great Song War that is raging all the time, conquering and then occupying the minds of millions of oppressed americans ? Really, we should put some kind of restrictions of the freedom of expression because that's a real threat to everyone's safespace !!
Reality is that, yes, there's a lot of information out there, some design to influence you. And while it's a bit more than in Plato's time, it's not a single overwhelming voice with a single opinion so the "brainwashing" doesn't benefit a single all-powerful organization here. Up to each one to like or dislike all they are listing and then think about it, filtering what they think is rubbish and what is worthy before making up their mind.
And sure, along the way, some people WILL be fed lies and buy them whole. But that's no different than before, when you had NO WAY to check the facts because access to information was VERY difficult to come by.
