If you look at a traditional Russian program in mathematics and CS then you see that both their pure math training & computer scientist training BTFO the rest of the world.
Why is that? The level Russians have their pre-teens do is the same level that advanced seniors in American colleges do.
Same applies with math training.
Why is that Ivan?
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I think it would help your thread if you posted an example of their programs, I doubt most people here can read Russian to even look one up
This is considered an "Intermediate course" not an "Advanced" one. Undergraduate level.
as someone who actually took that class through that program, I can tell you the categorization of elementary/intermediate/advanced is fairly arbitrary, or at least some intermediate classes were obviously more difficult that the advanced classes. that topology course was essentially graduate level the year I was there, or at least the majority of the people in the class were graduate students
also most of the classes on that website severely underestimate the pre-requisites
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That's interesting, but you also have to take into account the length of their studies. I didn't talk to anyone from Russia, but a friend's wife from Eastern Europe told me that students usually spend 5-6 years to get a degree. If American colleges had twice the time they have to teach something, they would also be covering more advanced topics.
In the end I don't think a Russian who finished his studies will know more than an American who finished his.
I did a very similar Russian program to this. Essentially the same style, different location. I know the difficulty here and it is as you described. My transcripts still show these courses as "undergraduate" ones (not sure about yours) and I can say that they were more difficult than any graduate course offered in my school.
Also, having done this sort of program I laugh at people that say Math 55 is the hardest undergraduate level course out there..
>My transcripts still show these courses as "undergraduate" ones (not sure about yours) and I can say that they were more difficult than any graduate course offered in my school.
I think they probably transferred over as undergraduate too but I never really checked, I don't think the distinction was too important
>Also, having done this sort of program I laugh at people that say Math 55 is the hardest undergraduate level course out there..
math 55 is probably particularly difficult because you're most likely a first year when you take it
Having a tough curriculum, and having students that actually learn that curriculum are two different things
I guess the thread wouldn't be complete without mentioning French mathematical education, which somehow manages to pump the most Fields medalists out of ENS