Why is homosexuality "immoral"?

*Leviticus never says anything against

How did I mess my post up that badly

my words. just mind your own business faggot

More likely they couldn't conceive of a woman who didn't love the cock.

It's not immoral, but it is technically a mental illness

Veeky Forums is history and humanities, not just history. Any philosophical discussion that isn't influenced by literature or authors should be discussed there.

It doesn't bother me. Just asking a question.

What did Westerners believe about homosexuality before the 20th century?

Seems like the Greeks/Romans had male-only bath houses for more than just bathing/relaxation reasons.

They believed whatever their desert jew god book told them mostly

Still pretty much like that today desu

It's considered bad in the bible because it's a waste of Jews' sacred seed. It also doesn't say anything about lusting after a man, just "lying with" one (fucking).

We all know that. I'm talking about the US and Europe, let's say after Darwin.

Procreation is overrated, planet's overpopulated enough as it is.

If procreation and birth and such are so sacred, why does god allow the birth of disfigured, disabled people?

Pretty conservative, but really, really gay behind the scenes probably.

I wonder if Darwin ever observed homosexual behavior among animals and never commented on it.

Yes. Not because of muh Bible, but because the normalization of homosexuality is a symptom of societal degeneration and must be stopped. It's also a mental illness caused by early childhood trauma.

They should be heavily discriminated against (to weed out all the people who simply pretend to be/are brainwashed into being gay) and given shock therapy (which has been proven to have worked at least once). If they don't accept treatment, they should be killed.

>It's not immoral
What determine morality?

People

shut the fuck up it's not gods fault you're ugly and dumb

>le overpopulation meme
Stop this. Only worthless Africans and Muslims are becoming overpopulated, white Westerners are actually not reproducing enough (which is why they need to import third-world immigrants)

Might

>that mental picture of Darwin looking at two penguins getting it on and angrily commenting about it

E D G Y
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>having that opinion is edgy
wew lad, do you know where you are?

>go to Veeky Forums
>first post i see tells people to go to Veeky Forums
>tfw tell people to fuck off to /int/ and /pol/ all the time
>tfw Veeky Forums is to Veeky Forums what /int/ and /pol/ are to /his

shut up cuck I'm the Vice President of the United States

this site is pretty gay desu, I like it

Is it really okay if the guy is cute?

If you had STARTED WITH THE GREEKS you'd know

also yes

Come into my office then.
t. POTUS

Is he right?

telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/8438210/Fall-of-Roman-Empire-caused-by-contagion-of-homosexuality.html

shit argument.

>this place is full of edgy teenagers so that makes me less of an edgy teenager

No, hes stupid. Romans didn't even have the same sexual dichotomy we do today. It was passive / active, rather than heterosexual / homosexual

>not liking gays makes you edgy

there is no reason to dislike gays. They literally have no impact on your lifestyle.

No not at all. One should feel free to explore their sexuality when it comes between consenting adults. The problem is with masculinity; most effeminate men are absolutely insufferable and drag down the community as a whole. Same with butch lesbians. If one has a balance, to enjoy the feminine aspects, coupled with masculine aspects they are sane.

>there is no reason to dislike pedophiles. They literally have no impact on your lifestyle.

>calling for the torture, erasure, and death of something you dont like
That makes you edgy, dumbfuck. Just not liking someone because of their sexuality just makes you a bigot.

then why does he have no gf and keep doing the buttsex? it probably has a lot of impact on his life, and you can't just dismiss his problems with homosexuals just because you're not dating any.

>everybody before the 21st century was an edgy tard
>I'm glad that our society has Progressed(tm) beyond that

Children cant consent. Two adults of the same sex can. Are you even trying?

Why does that matter? I'm not a child, so it doesn't effect me.

My argument wasn't even about that. I was saying that homosexuality is caused by and in turn causes a very sick society.

Well, homosexual relationships are between two consenting adults.
Paedophilia is not consensual and manipulation of a child. It's really unintelligent to believe they're similar.

>everyone before the 21st century wanted gays tortured or killed
>living in alternative reality

What does the bible say about furry porn?

I'm good, right?

The "consent" idea can be very easily twisted in a liberal society where people need to feel like they're being rebellious by accepting things that are vile. Pedo rights will be a thing. You're gonna fall for it hook, line, and sinker once the media starts talking about "child sexual rights".

Hey gays: Can you really orgasm from being fugged in the butt?

I think it's just a fetish. It's not a lifestyle unless you want to get into that lgbt faggotry. I don't know if I would personally call it a mental illness because it doesn't really negatively affect people.
>inb4 aids
That's for slutty gays. The same goes for straight people, really.

>homosexuality is caused by a very sick society
Victorian memes, fresh from the 19th century.

It wasn't socially acceptable, at least.

sorry, this doesn't make any sense.

Try harder. Gays probably enhance society by providing diversity and variety. Psychological and evolutionary studies suggested that homosexuals provided a great deal of support in communities and could help strengthen them.

But overall, two guys fucking isn't going to cause the downfall of a society. Nor are effeminate men. Because there will always be enough heterosexuals and masculine guys around anyway.

It matters because the only reason to care about what someone else is doing sexually is when done without consent, an exercise of force against an unwilling target should be defended. I dunno, this sounds more and more like bait

Except they won't and you're talking shit.

>Try harder. Gays probably enhance society by providing diversity and variety. Psychological and evolutionary studies suggested that homosexuals provided a great deal of support in communities and could help strengthen them.
Citation needed
>But overall, two guys fucking isn't going to cause the downfall of a society. Nor are effeminate men. Because there will always be enough heterosexuals and masculine guys around anyway.
No. With the media pushing homosexuality and nu-males it's only a matter of time until the West is unable to protect itself due to effeminacy.

>is a symptom of societal degeneration

Yeah, gays brought down the Roman Empire.

Not in-fighting, constant war, brutal oppression, outside influences and over spending, butt fucking is responsible.

TL;DR: (You)

Bi-guy. Yes. It's amazing.

>It was passive / active, rather than heterosexual / homosexual
Source on this?

>interracial marriage won't be a slippery slope
>gay rights won't be a slippery slope
>trans acceptance won't be a slippery slope
>trust me this time guys

Society.

There's a difference between not accepting something and, say, prohibiting public display of affection and actually torturing and killing human beings.

Go to a stadium full of fans at an american football game and tell me theres a lack of hypermasculinity to go around. Also,
>citation needed
Cite one thing that youve argued that isnt from stormfront or some other shit fascist site

People are predisposed to behave in a way that is correct to them. No amount of media is going to change a masculine male into someone more effeminate. It just allows people that are like that to feel comfortable, which is not a bad thing. Being gay isn't a mental illness, but not accepting people who are can lead to all sorts of psychological issues.

plato.stanford.edu/entries/homosexuality/

I think its in section 2

>implying homosexuality is just the act of buttfucking
If everyone were gay, humanity would go extinct and society would collapse.

Football stadiums are hardly "hypermasculinity".
You were the one who made the claim
>ur stormfront
Learn what stormfront is, retard. I'm not white.

>the only reason to care about what someone else is doing sexually is when done without consent, an exercise of force against an unwilling target should be defended
What do you base this off? I'm in favor of homosexuality and rape, because it's only rational for both to be moral since you can base these in scientific understanding, i.e. it's natural as we can see most mammals rape in nature.

All of those things have been fought for for a long time, just they've only been being accepted recently. They're not new issues.

>Muh libruhls

Conservatives are often guilty for things like child porn or hiring a gay prostitute, don't act like it doesn't happen.

Can you rim me? I'm qt

>le brave cyber warrior cares about defending the West
>muh masculinity
Stop shitposting and go join the Army then, faggot.

fine, still waiting for a credible citation that backs any of your opinions, because their arent any.

Yiff in hell, furfags, I am the LORD
-- Lev. 20:15 (original translation)

>tfw started with the Greeks and can't stop cumming to bi porn

>People are predisposed to behave in a way that is correct to them. No amount of media is going to change a masculine male into someone more effeminate.
You don't understand how media-centric our society is. Anyone can be brainwashed into being anything.
>Being gay isn't a mental illness
Give me one reason why being sexually attracted to something you cannot physically reproduce with is not a mental illness.
I'll wait.

>If everyone were gay

>Playing the "what if" game

Oh user.

homosexual tendencies between animals isnt rare my male rams are constantly humping each other

> it's 2070. Everyone has suddenly turned gay
> for some reason no one's come up with a scientific breakthrough to create a child
> for some reason the media defied genetics and turned everyone gay
> for some reason, people aren't artificially inseminating
> everyone goes extinct

Give up, user

b-b-but I don't go to cons, own a fur suit, have a "fursona" or associate with the "culture" in any fashion, I don't consider myself an "otherkin" or sexually identify as an attack helicopter.

I just jerk it to the porn in privacy in my own home.

No one even knows about it...

Give me one reason why it is.

I'll wait.

>muh science
Not *everyone* will become gay. But it's a symptom of the decay. Birth rates are dwindling in the West.

>nah man fuck bitches I'll just fuck this boy over here
>*goes extinct*

>homosexual tendencies between animals isnt rare

I know that, it's especially common among mammals as well as other species.

I laugh my ass off every time someone says it's "unnatural".

How can something that commonly takes place in Nature not be "natural"?

Well, surely with all the heterosexuals shoved into our face on TV and films everyday, surely everyone would be straight, but... well, that doesn't seem to be the case. Nice try!

It's "unnatural" among humans.

OP Is probably a closet faggot but either way, even though i'm not fully certain, having known a few homo/bi people they all seem to have this particular misunderstanding that i can't put my finger on and if some form of non-fucked up gay conversion therapy was available for people who didn't want to be aroused by the same sex i don't think that's a bad thing.

>Birth rates are dwindling in the West

Because Western society has become obsessed with "beauty" and ugly normies can't get laid, it's not the fags fault.

Being straight is the norm. Deviation can be capitalized on. Homosexuality in the media tends to convince people to be gay or "explore their sexuality". Not the main issue in itself, but bad nonetheless.

It's because of women's rights
>inb4 gb2r9k

Humans are mammals...

The fuck it is. Homosex has been going on among our species as long as we've been around.

Fuck the 6,000 year old kike narrative.

>of non-fucked up gay conversion therapy was available for people who didn't want to be aroused by the same sex i don't think that's a bad thing.

We already know how to cure the gay, its genetic, and it'll never be offered to parents, ever.

Homosex mainly happens in degenerating societies.

Don't forget rape and cannibalism. We're always getting left out :(