Suicide is a bitch as move

Isn´t existence a gift? Why would you reject a gift?

If its a shitty ass gift

it's better than nothing and you can always opt out

If I ever had someone who could stay by my crippling anti-social and abandonment issues, then maybe someone would tell me that. It's difficult when people want me to be happy, but the only true, lasting happiness Ive ever found is when I'm all alone telling myself that it's the world that's fucked up and not me. But when I sometimes need days, weeks even, of total isolation from friends and family or else I become severely depressed and suffocated, even if I really do feel happy every minute with them, it makes me wonder how much is repairable.

in this scenario the living are ALSO the selfish ones, in that they would rather the suicidal person live out the rest of the life that they didn't want to live in exchange for the living persons' happiness.

>13
>bullied for being gay

He would've gotten over it eventually

What fucking mental gymnastics and logical dissonance do you have to perform to think this way?
Like, try to think out your post before you click all the burgers.

I should've clarified that i was referring to the poster's method of thought rather than the scenario itself. He specifically chose an example of someone jumping the gun to support his point, and while you could argue that a large amount of suicides are from people jumping the gun, his aside seems irrelevant to the question of how ethical suicide is to those you are leaving behind.

the kid obviously saw the present as the future (as is kids' nature), but using child's example as an argument for ALL is a tad one-sided.

>why would you reject it
>"well it could suck"
>yeah but you could always reject it

ok

it's pretty simple: life is worth it for most people. For those who don't believe so they can always opt out of the gift.

Maybe he didn't want to be gay

IMO if you are gay its more selfless/honorable to kill yourself rather live and inconvenience decent people with your pronouns, aids, trigger warnings etc.

>life is worth it for most people

[citation needed]

P much. It astounds me that people can fall so low as to think that their life isn't worth living and just go quietly into the night, instead of at least giving their lives in the service of some worthwhile cause. At least you'll leave something that way.

>It astounds me people can opt of out their little monkey existence without giving a little monkey dance instead

Nothing wrong with suicide if it's done for a legit reason.

If you off yourself because you are a fat piece of shit who got teased, you are a tool.

most people do not kill themselves. Most people see their life as worth living. The ultimate reason someone kills themselves is because for whatever reason it becomes not worth living.

That doesn't matter, as the suicidal person is the one committing the act.

Do you think that people maybe don't even think about it and just live doing things everyone does?

You know, they mostly all give the same reasons for living: gf/bf, family, friends, love...

All the same reasons for everyone. Perhaps there's a shit load of people who are against suicide because this shit's been parroted for so long, not because suicide is something bad.

i feel like you are the same very black/white person.

Most people are spooked to shit and just fool themselves they're content

someone's reason for still being here is arbitrary, the fact that they are still here is evidence enough that they still value some aspect of life, even if it is the hope that one day they will find a reason to stay. Your example doesn't really mean anything. Not having a reason to kill oneself is a reason to live in itself, if not the most common reason.

>13 year old
>13
Dude, I don't care if a 13 year old nukes Syria, you can't blame a kid for what they do. You can punish them, yes, tell them what they're doing is wrong, but they're literally not developed and not responsible for their actions.

I actually have a similar view on the selfishness of suicide, but not only are you ignoring the massive pain of the suicidal one, you're also ignoring in this asshole example that it's a fucking 13 year old. Jesus, man, think a little.

This, the parents failed him and deserve every bit of suffering they got

Whoa, that's really harsh, but I'm actually going to SOMEWHAT agree and say that you have to look at the parents in this situation too. I mean, you can't make that many judgments based on a single sentence IMO...

>that they still value some aspect of life

What are you on about? He just explained; no, value is not needed, sometimes they just "do" and do not think about value.
Not having a reason to live is not an argument for suicide either, but it is an argument as to why it oughn't to be valued as you seemingly are doing right now.
Suffering is evidently worse and greater than enjoyment or whatever you might call it, which is why it is wrong to entitle life as a "gift" when it is a mere cage that is thrusted upon your previously non-existing situation.

>Not having a reason to kill oneself is a reason to live in itself
wew lad

The fact that user came to believe the child was the seflish one leads me to believe the parents were probably narcissistic pieces of shit

Ppl who commit suicide are often useless and or mentally ill. A burden to society and their families. We just gotta make suicide more socially acceptable, no reason to angst about it. All this obsession with grief has always struck me as something selfish.

whatever floats your boat, but consider that you may be projecting your own life bias on the situation :)

My own life bias is superior to all others so I don't see any issue in that

yes but when people aren't thinking about killing themselves and are just "doing" it means there is no reason to kill themselves. Do you see what I am saying? I am not arguing that suicide is illogical or bad, all I am saying is that if someone is still here it is because they are choosing to not be dead, consciously or not. The fact that one chooses to remain in the "cage" says a lot about how they feel about nothingness.

>it astounds me that I can't empathize with another human being and I've never experienced that horrendous, tearing, throat-clenching feeling of a sadness so immense it feels like your heart wants to tear itself out of your chest

I can think of a dozen people off the top of my head who have contributed far more to society than you can ever hope to, you fucking enclosed, piece of shit, bitter, young asshole.

you should kill yourself

I wish to gift you my feces. Do you accept?

It's called "grow a pair".

>the fact that one chooses to remain in a "cage" says a lot about their feelings about nothingness

ay, there's the rub,
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause. There's the respect
That makes calamity of so long life.
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
Th' oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely
The pangs of despised love, the law's delay,
The insolence of office, and the spurns
That patient merit of th' unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus make
With a bare bodkin? Who would fardels bear,
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscovered country, from whose bourn
No traveller returns, puzzles the will,
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all

>my dad's new wife's sister and husband had their 13 year old commit suicide because he was getting bullied about being gay
How does this happen? Faggots are given parades, high fives, and free dildos nowadays.

Hanging yourself is such a nasty way to commit suicide

Mishima committed ritual suicide and had a beautiful death. Dazai threw himself into the water, the water being the beauty here. At least Hemingway shot himself.

DFW died the death of a criminal.

Kill yourself

wow you are such a badass

If you commit suicide, you're self-cucking.

First, 13 year olds dude.

Second, notice how a lot of guys are kinda gay, but most of these guys claim they're hetero? Still a stigma. Part of the reason why there is so much faggotry at gay pride parades is because a lot of gays are repressed, and desperately want to run down a street wearing a thong because I dunno lol fags.

People only hate suicide so much because it challenges their base survival instinct

Well fuck those little shits screwing with my base survival instinct.

I agree with this. I think 25 should be the age at which suicide is "acceptable". Obviously we should still give resources to people after that age, and not blame people before it, but at that point you shouldn't be expected to force yourself through something you hate.

You only think this because you're about 25 years of age. I doubt 50 year olds would agree that 25 is somehow the acceptable age.

i'm 19, not that close to 25 at least in my mind.

i'm not going to kill myself until then, probably

So you see 25 as some far off age where everything in your life will be different.

Idk why your armchair psychology of me from 2 posts is at all relevant to my position. I'm just talking.

No, I don't think it will be different, but at that point you lose a lot of the opportunity to change things.

You noticed that this ass is baiting you with armchair psychology, yet you keep responding

He's retarded

Ignore him

>the fact that one chooses to remain in a "cage" says a lot about their feelings about nothingness
What if you can't suicide yourself?

There is no such thing as a meaningful endurance of pain. All pain is arbitrary and meaningless.

When I'm not depressed, I couldnt agree more, but when you're in that other mode the game changes. Everything is dark, nothing holds any value, all you see in the future is despair. The world has this film around it. Colors are dimmer and nothing seems real. Thoughts become clouded and your self-esteem is as low as it can possibly be. Sometimes under those conditions people panick and make the wrong decision.

Store credit.

>thinking that sadness leads to suicide
Pseud

>Suicide is a bitch as move.

A bitch as move what?

It's called Survival of the Fittest. You can't tell me we don't need that right now. Somewhere along the road, we stopped worshipping heroes and started worshipping victims, the more pathetic and weak, the better. You know, people who commit suicide for example. It's inherently seen as heroic now, hence the internet slang 'an hero'. Everyone wants to be a victim these days. there's also the Gays, Bruce Jenner and the other traps, who by this point you suspect are merely jumping on the bandwagon. Disney's Zootopia, probably the highest grossing kids' movie of the last few years, was created by a team of known 'furry' fetishists who also drew fetish porn of their characters on the side. I'm talking really fucked bestiality shit involving sadism, violence and homosexual acts between cartoon animals. You can't deny TV has become an institution of State Mandated Fag Worship, see Modern Family for example. Maybe being gay was once 'cool' and 'edgy', but the modern homosexual is just PC, lame and well, Gay.

It's dependent on circumstance, in a lot of situations it is a bitch ass move though

This and the fact that not everywhere is a city. Like the gay acceptance in San Francisco is more common than Bitter End, TN.

That being said, these two posts are both right.

I feel like depression was more dignified back in the days before the rise of the Pharmastate

I really don't think DFW "wanted to be a victim". I think the man seriously just didn't enjoy life and wanted to check out early, not giving a fuck how people see him for doing it.

I think you're underestimating how much he wanted to spite everyone.

You are mixing up stuff

So true. Taking pills to soften the feelings of legitimate struggle to find meaning in life feels pretty wrong to me

I think you're underestimating the debiliting-ness of depression. I don't think DFW gave a fuck about "everyone", he cared about his close circle and his writing.