Is IQ even real?
It doesn't feel like it is. Everyone I meet in the street (regardless of skin color) has a terrible layer of depth and intelligence that a number can't possibly quantify.
I feel like it's all ultimately a matter of wealth. People like Carl Sagan get to grow up around evolutionary novelty, but people like Negro #4223232 get to grow up around violence and crime.
Read the literature. IQ is not what you think it means, but it is definitely real.
IQ is real, but it isn't exactly a perfect system to calculate how intelligent you are.
IQ isn't a measure of intelligence. And the reason people like Carl Sagan will be remembered longer than some random nigger is the same reason Tom Cruise will be remembered and you'll be forgotten after you die.
They have more people looking at them.
It's worthless. You should care more about peoples achievements infinitely more than how well they do on IQ tests. Also, even people of low intelligence are capable of amazing things and breakthroughs
so if being poor makes you dumb how do you explain abel or ramanujan
It's almost as if isolated thought without a tangible purpose is utterly worthless.
But then what's the point of advanced science and maths like string or chaos theory?
Dumb luck.
the values of SES cannot predict the life trajectories of any given person without taking into account every single other factor in their life. we all know just because you have a certain income, doesn't predetermine a specific set of life steps and choices. We see someone homeless and it doesn't automatically mean they were on drugs or had mental illness or lost a job or anything. nor does it mean that there was any one cause to their situation.
ultimately im saying there is no one to one mapping between cause and what happens in your life. they are all complicated interactions which is exactly why we have statistics. rather than model every individual persons life, we try to take variables or values that might predict latent transitions across distributions of trajectories and hopefully nullifying interaction effects. this gives us a simple to read number for saying "this causes this" but it is only an approximation given all the possible situations a person might find themselves in.
When applying back that number to any individuals life, it only can predict anything if you take into account all other interacting factors.
What a naive explanation
Ramanujan went to his public library and just did geometry proofs all day everyday. Ofcourse he's gonna become good at math. Why can't negros do this?
Yes
Wait, no seriously. Read what you said back to to yourself. What about anything you said is wrong?
>I feel like it's all ultimately a matter of wealth. People like Carl Sagan get to grow up around evolutionary novelty, but people like Negro #4223232 get to grow up around violence and crime.
Actually, you are right.
Random "Negro" has to work 10x times or more to achieve what random son of wealthy parents has to achieve similar results.
And then again, discrimination could kick in and even make it impossible for him even with that amount of extra work.
So, being rational, the random negro looks that crime is easier and more efficient to bring him material wealth, even if it is only temporal.
>IQ is bullshit
>humans with IQs under 92 always act like morons
Hmmmmm
Btw Veeky Forums should know that IQ test are not meant to measure intelligence, they are actually retard detection test.
Why are IQ threads getting more prevalent here? And why is there an increasing number on the unscientific side? hmmm really makes one think.
>IQ does not measure intelligence
There is more than one IQ test. There's actually a great multitude of IQ tests. Each test measures performance on that test. What all these measurements share is called the g-factor or general intelligence. Look at it like a venn diagram, where we have many different IQ tests that overlap, and in the intersection of all these tests lies the g-factor. There is no direct test for this g-factor. In fact, one could define the g-factor as that which correlates with what is measured by an increasingly large battery of mental tests.
The g-factor has been shown to correlate very strongly with job performance, career prospects, problem solving, economic success, etc. It has even been shown to correlate with beauty. In fact, you'd have about the same odds judging someone's intelligence based on his looks as on his education. (This probably wouldn't be the case if useless degrees weren't dragging down the 'educated' average IQ).
the g-factor, and therefore IQ, have even been shown to correlate with brain glucose metabolism, white matter vs grey matter buildup, brain use, resting brain activity and more. MEG has been used to look at how people of differing intelligence solve problems, and has shown that brighter people use their brains more efficiently than duller people.
All of this is well documented and scientifically proven. One can take a look at the work of Satoshi Kanazawa or Richard Haier for introductory books that are very current. Arthur Jensen has a great book "Bias in mental testing" that goes in depth on what methods are used to measure intelligence and how the g-factor is obtained.
Does beauty correlate with both sexes though?
The smartest people I've ever met were really ugly.
Fuck you,
I want the good boy points.
IQ is real, but isn't that useful. It's more a comparison to the people around you.
Additionally, there's different IQ tests.
Beauty correlates with IQ in men and not in women.
IQ is not "real", it's a concept that relates to a bigger concept called g. IQ is flawed but it's a good diagnostic tool for trying to figure out certain mental problems. That's why online iq tests are not iq tests, you can have good reasoning abilities but have bad processing speed and working memory. A real IQ test would be able to point out such a thing. So, IQ tests are useful w/ respect to diagnosing mental issues relating to executive functions, but nothing else. People who boast about their IQ, esp the one they got through an online IQ tests, are better off boasting about their credit scores.
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IQ by definition measures just intelligence
It predict education achievements, correlated with autism, profession, health & wealth.
But IQ doesn't Measure or correlate with many other attributes of mind or personally such as:
charism, ethics, perseverance, creativity, laziness, ideology, happiness, sadness, sexual orientation, patience, personal experience, wisdom, taste, feelings, etc.
Maybe just nice, encouraging yet poor parents?
It's an achievement, just like a video game status level or achievement, it's significantly believable to the mind, so it's real.
Now if we are talking measures of one's worth...
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