Strange radio signals from Ross128

This

It would be extremely painful

>Ross 128
>Observation Time: Jul 16, 21:45 AST | 16:58 LST | 1.25 hours (Sunday, July 17, 2017, 01:45 UTC)
>ICRS coord. (ep=J2000) : 11 47 44.3974 +00 48 16.395
>Telescopes: Arecibo, GBT, ATA

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Its pretty much the whole premise of Ancient Aliens

ayy lmao

signal in question

WOW!

>IS IT CONTACT TIME, Veeky Forums?

It's never Aliens, never.

Red dwarfs are very unstable with crazy bursts of energy. This must be just one of those bursts that looks slightly unusual.

>The odds are very slim...
I'm a casual, but Fermi Paradox claims that something called the Drake equation or whatever (I'm using wikipedia) says theres high probability

???
Red dwarfs are some of the lowest energy stars in the universe! Any lower energy and we'd start calling them Jebs instead.

i have a friend who uses this logic any time aliens come up in conversation, very obnoxious

It's not aliens and it'll never be aliens.

>astrobiologists

Yes. And yet, still no hard evidence of alien civilization. That's why they call it a "paradox."

...maybe because... WE'RE the aliens!!!

might be ayys, might not be
lets wait and see

Depending on which values for the variables you use there's either one intelligent civilization in the whole universe or 100 billion in our galaxy alone, some values are fairly well known, imo there's probably 10000 civilizations around right now. Still leaves open the big question - why hasnt the galaxy been converted into dyson spheres and shells yet?

>one day you'll look up at the starry sky and see a twinkling star in the infinitesimal void and it'll be an alien trying to communicate with us, and you'll not even notice

>tfw retarded faggots make everything look insane because they go overboard so hard
I just want to talk about how meeting aliens would affect the social and political landscape, the knowledge that we are not alone

If we meet aliens won't that make US the aliens?

>tfw no one wants to talk about fun things, instead just about some dumb new rap album

>saying never
while the likelyhood is low, it's never at zero
that's the whole point of checking
>that signal doesn't look right
>looks fuckin weird
>lets get more telescopes on it for better reception
either we get ayys, or a little more knowledge on how stars work
both are beneficial in the long run

>read The Dark Forest by Cixin Liu
>don't respond
>don't identify ourselves again EVER
>shut off all the lights on Earth and pretend nobody is home

SPOILER: seriously, fuck space. It's just a bunch of equally suspicious civilizations that'll shoot first and ask questions later

No one is saying that we shouldn't look into, it will be probably a very interesting discovery.

Of course, it's fun and exciting to think that they are aliens, but jump to seriously consider that an unexplained phenomenon is aliens is like saying "fucking magnets, how do they work?"

>Ross 128 is a small star in the equatorial zodiac constellation of Virgo, the virgin

>read American Psycho by Bret Easton Ellis
>don't respond to phone calls
>don't go outside ever again EVER
>shut off all the lights at our house and pretend nobody is home

SPOILER: seriously, fuck America. It's just a bunch of equally suspicious cucks that'll shoot first and ask questions later

No. The equation seems solid, but several of the variables are basically just guesses. The errors compound each other, so you can arrive anywhere between "we are alone" and "there's thousands of civilizations in our galaxy" after plug and chug.

>this meme again
The very fucking second you send out one single radio broadcast, the cat is out of the bag, period.
You have been exposed and can never go back into hiding ever again, and anyone more advanced than you that would be capable of firing a RKM at your planet can do so if they so desired it.
Why would an alien species decide to kill off sentient life if they're more advanced than it
going off radio signals, if this 11 light year away species had the technology to detect us, they would have been watching us since we had fucking steam ships,
We would be of absolutely no threat to them whatsoever, and with technological advancement seeming to accelerate with time, would never become a threat
the mere fact that they're technologically advanced at all means they have a value for knowledge, and preserving that knowledge, since not having that trait would result in them staying as rock banging primitives forever, never contemplating writing things down, so killing off another species that could have knowledge to share and catalog would be completely asinine to everyone, and would not be considered by anyone of authority in the alien government or military

In other words, the equation is worthless.

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that's some low effort bait you got there frind
it's almost if you pointedly ignored the entire point just so you could get a (You) off someone

we are separated by physical and cultural distance. We could know 100% that they're benevolent, but we can't know if they know that we know this on the scales we are talking about. So they will be suspicious of our intentions because we may think them malicious. It makes more sense to strike first if a civilization knows it's been discovered

depending on distance, and probability
if a species is close enough that the missile would work and stop them from going space fairing, they're probably close enough that there would be plenty of other nearby races watching them do the act
if you are far away, that sublight projectile will take so fucking long to reach the target, that the intended victims would be halfway done a dyson swarm by the time you blow their planet up, and by then, they might have edited the orbital speed and tilt of their world, making the missile miss it completely, but allowing the victim to know exactly where the fuck it came from

by firing, either every single race that previously chose not to commit genocide, would immediate bomb the shit out of you because you just made yourself into a massive threat to everyone with your willingness to genocide those that had done you no ill, or your intended target survives and comes to claim some scalps for that attempted murder
thus, killing aliens as they are found just fucks you over, because everything you do is before a live audience, and they might not like the show if you're a faggot

Attenuation ensures nothing you send out will reach anyone with any bit of recognizably let alone with any actual data left. You'd need to turn the sun into a giant signal light were you could turn it "off" and "on" in the direction you want to send a signal via it's shadow. Nothing else will be powerful enough to reach anything of significance.

every race is likely so freaked out by the prospect of a race of assholes, or a race of cool fuckers that thinks they're assholes, or a race of cool fuckers that knows they are dealing with other cool fuckers but don't know if those cool fuckers know for sure that THEY are also cool fuckers, that the chain of suspicion makes giving up your location too much of a risk

oh fuck, it's just prisoner's dilemma. That chink bastard!

What did the aliens mean by this?

>"ooga booga where the white space worms at"

Your post reminds me of this.
>inb4

I always wondered if this pasta was some user or a short story by an established author

if they're an user, they're probably better than most established authors
I've never read a book that was even half as enrapturing as the average greentext story

I just wish there was less noise. The crap you have to wade through to find a decent one, sheesh!

The media in fact tend to over-play it, because "muh aliums" sells papers.

The follow-up story, when scientists figure out what happened, and it wasn't aliums, is generally on page 12 of section D.

That was uncalled for...

>Figuring probabilities based on one data point.

Do YOU speak mathematics?

Also, I'm not sure it's even a "universal" language on your one data point. When they go contact lost tribes in South America or somewhere, they don't start off trying to flash mathematical formulae at each other...

(Laughs scientifically)

The Fake Equation is almost all unknown variables.

In the absence of data, it's just guessing.

>No matter how thin you slice it, baloney is still baloney.

They are small and cool, and emit relatively little energy on a steady basis -- but they do tend to bust ut with a bing and a bang and a boom intermittently.

This is compounded by the fact that they are low-mass, so any planet close enough to be warmed by them into Goldilocks conditions is also going to be close to the fireworks.

FAKEEE

>implying an advanced civilisation would fail to account for survivors
It doesn't make sense since they've already seen those guys reach the space.

The equation is not totally worthless -- or at least, it may not be worthless forever. We've begun to understand what the "real universe" value of a few of the variables are, and they are comfortingly large, for those who hope for aliums.

There are still several key variables where we have no freaking idea what the value will turn out to be. If any one f them is very low, we're likely to be, for all practical purposes,alone -- detectable life would be so rare that there would likely be none near enough to us in space and time for us to ever find them. If they all are big enough, we may find them, unless they make efforts not to be found or our assumptions about what to look for are way off.

>so any planet close enough to be warmed by them into Goldilocks conditions is also going to be close to the fireworks
and tidally locked

it's like "check, please!" amirite guys?

If the gift travelled at less than light speed, why didn't the ayylmaos just send a light message to us saying they'd made a mistake and explaining how to escape the gift

Would go against their own version of prime directive

That was already violated when they sent a weapon to destroy them.

Maybe the green text is their message to us...

>Aliums greentext.

Does anyone know the age estimates for the star Ross 128?

Considering that red dwarfs can burn for trillions of years that's quite hard to say without more intel. Could be among the oldest stars in our galaxy.

Vid on the matter:

youtube.com/watch?v=cmT-p2H-26k

Maybe they realized their mistake too late/the RKM was going to fast to be overtaken by a message?

Maybe there wasn't any chance of escape or salvation according to the aliums predictions?

Apparently the signal occured in such a way that would make it unlikely to have been caused by a satellite, the satelite would have to have been moving very slowly. If it was caused by a satelite it would have to be in a "high earth orbit" most of the satelites that could cause a signal like this are in low earth orbit.

there is a creepy sounding song called ross 128 from 2014..
look at the album name...

youtube.com/watch?v=fq3JPA6PSt4

How can life exist on a sun?

did they confirm it yet
I already see evidence

underrated

unless they were at out doorstep, not much desu senpai

According to the story, they realised their mistake as soon as the gift was sent off

That's pretty meta, I can dig that

Well, it's traveling at 1/4th ("2/8th" - wtf man?), of the speed of light, and accelerating to "nearly" the speed of light, so there is no way to "escape" it, and no way to stop it, really. The best you could do is warn them it's coming and say "Oops, our bad." - gonna wipe out the inner solar system pretty much no matter what. Depending on how "near" "nearly the speed of light" is and how quickly it reaches that speed, the warning may arrive a matter of months before impact - or minutes.

Still, bit of a plot hole. Coulda mention some aliums tried to warn them, which might explain the number of survivors in the outer colonies, without changing the outcome of the story.

As HFY science fails go, however, it's pretty minor.

Could they watch our TV shows from Ross 128?

Probs not. You need a very strong and focused signal to get it out 11 light years. If they did it would be 2006 TV. Dexster would just be airing so good for them.

>11 ly
Well they should've had access to all the best Star Treks if they had pointed their telescopes our way in time and those signals can travel well enough unimpeded. But then again there's probably nothing there and if they are they'd have to be more advanced than us to be monitoring and processing a significant portion of their skies. Assuming all those things then yes.

You can't even pick up our TV shows from Jupiter. That was one of the major science fails in Contact - inverse square is a bitch.

I guess this pic is incorrect then..

Yes, though it's certainly a fun thought.

Only the active SETI broadcasts can be detected from outside the solar system, and they are directed, so only by those solar systems they are directed towards, and most of those have a very limited reach as well (in addition to being all under 50 years old).

Similarly, we aren't going to pick up any broadcasts from any alien civilizations unless they are deliberately aimed at us. (And it seems unlikely that one would try aiming such messages out to planets in this sparsely populated rim of the galaxy - better to try your luck somewhere you could cover a reasonable number of opportunities.)

At best, very nearby neighbors might notice a planet in the habitable zone with some tell-tale chemical markers in its light bands indicating the possible presence industry, though they'd have to have quite a bit better observational capacity than us.

Really, there could be a civilization with the same radio output as our planet in this same solar system, and we could still easily miss it.

Maybe it's silicon based.

>ducking

>Single female lawyer,
>Working for her clients!
>Wearing sexy mini-skirts and being self-reliant!

>And it seems unlikely that one would try aiming such messages out to planets in this sparsely populated rim of the galaxy

Time would be a bigger factor than density of the area of the galaxy -- if you live near us, we're one of the ones you'll try because you want an answer before you go extinct.

>Really, there could be a civilization with the same radio output as our planet in this same solar system, and we could still easily miss it.

This seems unlikely -- we can detect signals from one of our probes among the outer planets, but we'd miss an entire civilization's worth of radio noise.

>Could they watch our TV shows from Ross 128?
>Probs not. You need a very strong and focused signal to get it out 11 light years.

the thing is we've been doing exactly that by beaming very focused signals in the 6ghz and 14ghz bands for a while. We beam signals to the geosynchronous satellites for cable, dish, direct TV etc... '
so much of space that is in the "equitorial" region has been hit by these beams. Keep in mind that because of the rotation of the Earth these beams would sweep the heavens and appear very brief to a distant observer.

Those are directed beams of very specific frequencies, that, even though directed, would be impossible to find without knowing exactly what you were looking for.

Granted, the fact that we've done close flybys of nearly every rocky celestial body, and landed on a few, does reduce the odds of missing such a thing considerably - but searching for radio broadcasts alone, ya'd find nadda.

Suffice to say, communication companies don't pump the kind of power and modulation into those beams that you need to beat the law of inverse square at 11 light years out at those frequencies. One doesn't "accidentally" call ET.

you fleshblags ready for your wives to get GREYED?

>There isn't some billionaire who has a hardon for sending midget porn across the quadrant.

>UPDATE 2017/07/17:
>We successfully observed Ross 128 last night from the Arecibo Observatory. It was raining during the observations but this has a minimal effect on the C-band. SETI Berkeley with the Green Bank Telescope and SETI Institute's ATA joined our observations. We need to get all the data from the other partner observatories to put all things together for a conclusion. Probably by the end of this week.

I agree. Aliens will be xtreme austist shitposters, not idiot ham radio qsl dweebs. They will post qt alien wifus. U wait

That, and porn

>Wait a week for our announcement that it's fucking nothing

Who else here /baitedbreath/

Daily reminder for those of you unfamiliar with the scientific method.

Mendez should hype this shit and set up a Patreon account for max research gains.

If he finds something of interest, Id be down to chuck a buck to record alien porn.

Let X = some proposition
Let E = evidence of X

Let us define evidence to mean that P(X|E) > P(X)

P(~X|~E) = P(~X) P(~E|~X) / P(~E)

Since evidence cannot exist for something which does not exist P(~E|~X) = 1

P(~X|~E) = P(~X) / P(~E)

If evidence is not impossible then P(~E) < 1

P(~X|~E) = P(~X) / P(~E) > P(~X)

P(~X|~E) > P(~X)

Thus absence of evidence is evidence of absence