Is there any scientific proof that points towards the existence of God? I'm not talking about any specific God, just any sort of creator who has created the universe and us along with it.
Is there any scientific proof that points towards the existence of God? I'm not talking about any specific God...
Ryan Sanchez
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Leo Walker
Define the universe and us
Lincoln Moore
Us = modern humans (Homo sapiens, primarily ssp. Homo sapiens sapiens), the only extant members of the subtribe Hominina, a branch of the tribe Hominini belonging to the family of great apes
Universe = all of space and time (spacetime) and its contents, which includes planets, moons, minor planets, stars, galaxies, the contents of intergalactic space and all matter and energy
Josiah Garcia
St. Anselm agued that there is a greatest possible object using a vague set theory approach. and you could define that as God. It's not particularly easy to know a whole lot about that object. Godel wrote a modal version of it. The argument is controversial.
Causality seems to be pretty important to science and St. Thomas Aquainus argued for God based on cause and effect. Most people have heard a dumbed down version of his argument. I think it's considered more compelling than other arguments, but there's still good criticism of it.
TL;DR: No. But there's some interesting logic games.
Liam Murphy
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William Torres
Proof?
No. Proof would make faith superfluous.
Evidence?
Yes, but not of the kind that is on topic for Veeky Forums -- it is circumstantial, or more commonly anecdotal. It is not subject to falsification or repeatable observations.
If that, by its nature, is not of interest to you, good enough. If you find the topic of interest, I'd suggest "The Language of God" by Francis Collins as perhaps being something you would enjoy.
Michael Richardson
There have been ontological arguments which some see as proof of God's existence dating from the Middle-Ages onwards (Godel's proof of God is one such argument), although any argument relies on you accepting its premises.
Carter Hughes
I came to Veeky Forums because I want scientific proof, not autistic screeching.
Sebastian Carter
post more of this willy wizard and you shall get the proof of god through deductive reasoning
Nathaniel Howard
Jason Torres
Another user here, but if you're looking for more alternative views of believers, I suggest taking a look at Donald Knuth's lectures in "Things a Computer Scientist Rarely Talks About."
Ethan Rogers
Shroud of Turin
Miracle of Lanciano
Mason Edwards
How is evidence not a form of proof?
Blake Reed
Evidence is proof in the colloquial sense, but it is not by itself a proof. To illustrate, consider what would happen if God personally appeared to you in a manner consistent with the beliefs of others. How would you use this to prove God's existence to others?
Asher Flores
But this would still be proof for me, making faith superfluous for me.
Carson Bell
>Is there any scientific proof
No.
Proof is found in Mathematics and Liquor.
Luis Perez
>I want scientific proof
You're out of luck, Science does not provide proof.
Luke Butler
>implying 'science' cannot refer to the formal sciences
Henry Campbell
Maybe our God is math and pure math autists are his Archangels?
Cameron Hall
I haven't heard about the miracle of Lanciano before, so I just looked it up; fucking mind blowing. The craziest part being they found out the blood type on the shroud and the sudarium.
Here's the weird part, the blood type on both of those was AB. The blood type found in the flesh in the Lanciano miracle thing? AB
Atheists eternally BTFO; no recovery
Angel Butler
Is there any mathematical proof that Hitler existed?
Blake Sanchez
Adam Perez
This is absolutely no concrete scientific proof via observable phenomena or data that proves the existence of God. However, there is absolutely none that proves against him either.
Again however, there are mathematical proofs regarding why someone /should/ believe in God even if He doesn't exist, though they are based solely on statistics and chance rather than hardcore reasoning. I did see an equation once though that proved an intelligent mind is needed to generate the phenomenon that we have observed in our universe, though for me it's long gone and I haven't seen it since High School.