Is this a joke?

>1% growth

>PPPPPFFFFFFFFFFFhahahahahahaha

you do know that you need to be a decent engineer to have a job right? the problem is not that there are no jobs, the "problem" is that there are many engineers and positions are competitive.

Engineers BTFO

That's what people mean when they say "no jobs" that the field is over saturated.

well, that's like saying that the GDP measures the quality of life in a country, it's a very limited aspect of the problem at hand

Who employs gods though?

>astronomy
>god tier

Is this true? I love astronomy, but I didn't choose it as my major because I was afraid I wouldn't be able to find a job.

There are jobs in every tier just no guaranteed employment like in the olden days because of the cancerous idea that "Hey everyone should go to college!"

>medicine
>no jobs
nice bait

The best way to create a chart like this would be to ask a wealthy Indian immigrant what he wants his children to do.

He would say Medicine, Law or Engineering.

Wrong chart, here

Majoring in physics. Don't care about a job, i'm doing it for my personal growth.

Mathematics is ultimate tier. There is no further argument. You can learn absolutely anything in STEM if you have the ability to process abstract math.

Where does avionic eng fall?

Basically up there with electrical - avionics is really the only part of aerospace worth getting into right now

Fucking bait. You also put materials engineering in to two separate tiers, not too bright goym

>Pic of a typical graduate from engineering school when he's asked to do math

Witten-san was a history major at first

Why isn't anyone posting the real one?

> when was the last time you've heard of a math major getting a job

You need math for everything in STEM.

Why tf is philosophy at the shit tier ? Science is the child of philosophy, science uncovers objective truths while philosophy uncovers subjective ones.

When was the last time you've heard of a math major getting a job though?

saw this list some time ago, what do you guys think about it?

Well, have fun trying to get a job in my country that it's not CS or medicine

Because philosophy has a primitive formal language, it is really easy to construct an unfalsifiable statement.

which country

Portugal

>I've never met a math professor: the post

Putting philosophy in the shit tier is fucking retarded. It's at LEAST high tier.

What do you need to get a job in Portugal?

You need to have a MSc to have a decent pay, or else you'll be paid a little bit more than the minimum wage (which is roughly 560€/mo) and that's only on CS, i.e, doing code monkey jobs (medicine gets a better pay but usually they don't want people from other countries except africa ou south america to pay them less), even the PhD guys get paid less.

If you have a degree in something else, unless you're very good at it, you'll receive like 700-800€/mo for 1 to 3 years.

That's why a lot of people migrate to get a better pay.

i got my degree I'm math and I've had 3 separate job offers since graduating last June. maybe you just feel insecure about your lack of ability.

>Geology over CS
At least Life Sciences aren't in top tier like other meme charts. With a biology or meme science degree like microbiology you'll be slaving away at a low-paying quality control job. BSc in hard sciences are memes anyways (except for physics).

That sounds depressing, hope you are doing well.

civil should be in the shit tier

>mfw biology undergrad
>mfw love all of you, but you only hate
>this makes me sad
Oh la lala la

no, the field isn't over saturated. kids are being given a lot of disinformation about engineering in terms of what the actual requirements for employment are. having an engineering degree alone doesn't make you qualified for the position and thats the key, there are tons of positions for QUALIFIED people but most of the kids coming out of school are far from being qualified.

if you want a legit engineering job then:

1. Don't go to a BK randy school. School name actually matters and you wouldn't believe how many shitters are going to bumfuck state and think their degree is relevant.

2. you need to do internships. as a matter of fact, you need an internship to get the internship nowadays. start small and start local. there is always some mom n' pop machine shop/construction company who could use a cheap office bitch.

3. do shit other than coursework. clubs, competition teams, personal projects. if you aren't using the equipment YOU pay tuition to have access to, you are shorting yourself. build a portfolio.

4. network

>b-but i'm an autist with no social skills and don't know what that means.

it means you skip buying that catgirl figurine this month and get a student membership to ASME or w/e your relevant professional society is. they invite you to things. go to them.

>inb4 "lol i didn't do any of that and got a 100k a year job fresh out of college"

good for you. thats not the norm. if you think you can get away with not doing any of this stuff and still land a decent gig out of college, go for it, but there are other guys applying for your position that are doing all that stuff and more.

What country so I can apply there?

What positions and how'd you get them?

Really, don't come, everyone just leaves

does neuroscience research count as medical?

Sure, why it wouldn't?

>Mathematics and Engineering are God-tier
>CS isn't God-tier despite the curriculum being contained within both Math and Engineering
>Despite theoretical CS being a branch of Mathematics

no, it's biology

It really depends... you can do medical research in neuroscience but if it "basic" science then yeah it's biology

>Do STEM fags actually believe this? There are no jobs for "God tier."
Physics PhD reporting in.

After some years as a post doc. etc I am now a patent attorney. And we have plenty of job openings for physicists, minimum a masters degree, preferably a PhD.

Pay isn't too shabby.

>Why tf is philosophy at the shit tier ?
This is 2017

>Science is the child of philosophy,
Yes. That thing is though, sciences have moved on, philosophy is stuck in long gone millennia.

>science uncovers objective truths
Whoa!

>while philosophy uncovers subjective ones.
Fluffiness does not get you a job.

Majoring in Criminal Justice. Give it to me straight boys.

Meme tier low salary major equal to the liberal arts. Want to be a police officer? You can do that shit without a college degree.

>tf
>subjective truths
This is why philosophy is at shit tier.

>tfw going to Pitt
>tfw doing FSAE
>still can't get internships
2/3 ain't bad, I guess

Aerospace engineer here

Oversaturated as fuck, we can't get rid of people fast enough

Why did you major in aerospace instead of mechanical?

I actually want to be a SWAT officer under FBI employ. For that I'd need a degred

>degred
I swear I'm not retarded, just a mobile poster

I did major in mechanical, I'm just good (and cheap) enough to cuck aeros out of a job

shift mathematics, physics and chemistry to mid, and computer science to god.

>no software
any list that doesn't put software at the very top is full of shit. software is hot and always has been. it's more lucrative and more versatile than any engineering division. i challenge anyone to say otherwise.

>PE
lol, there is a reason it's not offered everywhere, the same reason nuclear engineering isn't.

>electrical engineering is well respected even in the world of finance
i don't know what movie this idiot saw to say this

>EE/ChemE are known as the most anti-brainlet and math intensive
EE has the most math curriculum, but even then, engineers have limited math skills in general, why brag about two more math classes? you're not gonna use a whole lot of math after graduation either. i don't understand the fascination with chemE on sci btw, i would put it below a lot of things. it's a jack of all trades job that doesn't see as much use today as it has before.

>IE is basically mech grunt work
if this guy cared about math so much, he should've put IE at the very top. this retard thinks because there's the word ''industrial'', there must be big cogs and machines and shit! but it's not quite mechanical since it doesn't contain the words ''mechanical engineering'', therefore it is a inferior version of it. moron.

i'm not gonna read the rest of the list because it's retarded, the full of shit really betrays the smug of it too.

>IE is math-intensive
At my school, they don't go beyond calc 1, though they have a couple of stats classes, but they're easy af

Don't fuck with me man, I'm aiming at quantum computing.

> Working on physics bachelors
> last year
> 21 in 2 days

I need a job...

>no jobs
>medicine
HAH TOPKEK

>Meme degree for becoming a brainlet and a tool of the government
Just out of curiosity, what the fuck do you actually study? Tyranny 101? Corruption 102? Wasting Tax Payers Time and Money 103? Enforcing Shlomo's Demands 104?

Got a *good* reason for that?

To get a good job with a background in Physics you need at least a masters degree. A PhD is strongly recommended.

Aim for a field where you have an escape route to industry such as solid state physics. Do the standard trek with a few rounds of post doc and make sure you move around. I did one in Japan and it was brilliant.

Then take stock of your situation: do you aim for tenure and a professorship or do you go for industry?

If you take the industry route you should get 5 years experience in industrial R&D, perhaps change jobs twice, before you aim for settling down. This BTW is an excellent background for a job as a patent examiner or patent attorney.

I saw a math major on hansen vs. predator

t. 14 year old antifa

>Geology in top tear
Ahahahahshhahahahahahahhahaha

>no engineering jobs

kek

I don't mind math majors.

t. Engineering student

I'm getting a degree in both mathematics and computer science and even though I know I'll get much better pay for it I regret not investing all my time in math.
>judging the value of a field by the quality job you will get
absolutely innoble

And those are the faggy ones

That's bullshit or your university is shit. I'm an IE graduate and i had to take Calculus & Analysis I and II. And of course a lot of statistics and probability.
Also Operations Research (An IE subfield) is more math heavy than any other engineering degree. As always people here talk about things they don't know.

Nigger, you're an IE, your whole job is to talk about stuff that you know nothing about

Well memed my friend

as a recent grad i can say with confidence chemE is shit tier

first off all it's not hard at all, the "hard" classes are transfer phenomena which are just baby's first pdes

second it's useless because it's a jack of all trades master of none program where you aren't needed because computer simulation can handle all of the overall plant design. so no employed chemE ever uses the shit they were taught they just draw simulations on a computer. and chemE's aren't taught enough to do detailed work on the unit operations they design around.

Economics is atleast high-tier tho, agree on the rest

feels like everyone is trying to become an engineer. When will the bubble burst?

The key word is "try." Half the people that go into some sort of engineering either don't finish and end up in polsci or some shit or they just barely get by and can't apply anything they learned to an actual job

CompSci equals
Math equals
Logic equals
Philosophy equals
Law equals
Theology

Given a rule system tell me what is (True/False),(Right/Wrong), (Legal/Illegal),
(Computable/Uncomputable) and show reasons from rule system.

Mining money>your job being outsourced to pajeet tbqh

Serious question. Why would bio molecular engineering be bad?

Soo... how does Veeky Forums feel about statistics?

It's an over-specialization with a small job market. The same reason why aerospace engineering is in bad too.

CS / SE should be god tier. Literally have half a brain and do a shitty internship or two, make a few apps, and after four years go make 90k+ pretty much in any big city in the United States.

This is an interesting post.

I'm a structural engineer and even in the building industry we're are seeing that people who design structures are 'over specialised' for more elaborate projects.

In the small office I work in, we had a project come in for a retracting glass roof. We were requested to design everything for the initial concept, and the engineers in the office (who are usually excellent) were at a loss.

It needed me, a graduate, to design and prototype a mechanism for the roof to open and close, and then provide that assembly to the original team to do the simple statics for the roof. I have never even studied mech eng - I just take an interest, and learn how to make things in my spare time.

I was dumbfounded. People in my industry can't program, they don't know how gears work, can't design a pulley system and have no concept of electronics.

I think people have trouble understanding things outside their bubble because they are scared of complexity, or worse - don't understand the (very obvious) benefits of understanding other fields.

Genetic engineering should be one higher. Job security is actually pretty decent.

Where would Forestry fall? Life Sciences? That can't be correct, as Life Sciences is in the Mid Tier instead of the God Tier.

I propose that Forestry have it's own section above God Tier called "Forestry Tier", comprised of Forestry and Fisheries Science.

Good thread to ask I guess. I'm an Electrical Engineer Major right now, but I'm thinking of switching over to Mechanical. Which has better job offers or higher growth? Also wanna do a Masters in Biomedical Engineering since I want to do that but it's risky move to study that at the bachelor's level.

Neither

We're all gonna die

Stay in electrical. If you don't get a job as an actual electrical engineer you can always fall back on programming/CS/software engineering jobs, something that mechanical engineers don't have the luxury of having.