quote Michael Demazure ""I did not view him as I did other great mathematicians, who were made of the same fabric—better fabric, to be sure, as they were brighter, faster, harder workers,"
at first it seems like He is saying there were many better than Grothendieck but then says this
"Grothendieck always seemed essentially different; he was an 'alien.'"
"My first impression on seeing him lecture was that he had been transported from an advanced alien civilization in some distant solar system to visit ours in order to speed up our intellectual evolution,"
echoes Marvin Jay Greenberg, a professor emeritus of mathematics at the University of California at Santa Cruz.
Doesn't anyone think Grothendieck is like the complete opposite of Von Neumann in a way
both were geniuses, but different kinds
Von Neumann was a technical wizard, meaning he would be able to master the technicalities of math, can probably think of problems and equations faster than Grothendieck etc.
but Grothendieck had a greater view of the generalization of math, he saw the whole picture
Ryan Watson
dont know, im no mathematician.
Adrian Morgan
Here's a plausible explanation: Grothendieck had enormously high verbal intelligence (hence the proclivity for abstraction) but his quantitative thinking was disproportionally low (although still much higher than the average brainlet). (One thing you should know about Grothendieck is that he wrote great prose. Most mathematicians cannot write anything to save their lives.)
I don't think he was just being modest when he said, about himself: "I've had the chance...to meet quite a number of people, both among my "elders" and among young people in my general age group, who were much more brilliant, much more "gifted" than I was. I admired the facility with which they picked up, as if at play, new ideas, juggling them as if familiar with them from the cradle - while for myself I felt clumsy. even oafish, wandering painfully up a arduous track, like a dumb ox faced with an amorphous mountain of things that I had to learn ( so I was assured), things I felt incapable of understanding the essentials or following through to the end. Indeed, there was little about me that identified the kind of bright student who wins at prestigious competitions or assimilates, almost by sleight of hand, the most forbidding subjects."
Colton White
id also say he had amazing abstract thinking
Evan Fisher
edit: interesting i didn't know verbal intellect is linked to abstraction
Angel Cooper
>you can have high verbal intelligence and abstraction but somehow you can have low quantitative thinking at the same time
You don't have high verbal intelligence.
Hunter Jenkins
It makes a lot of sense when you think about it. Words are themselves abstractions of concrete objects and phenomena. High verbal intelligence = being very good at manipulating abstractions.
Aaron Russell
Verbal and quantitative reasoning use different neurological systems. Look it up before you open your mouth like a moron.
Nathan Young
Ashkenazi Jews tend to also have super high verbal iq
As opposed to what, pulling shit out of my ass? Why are you on this board brainlet?
Mason Bell
Different words activate different parts of the brain, but it is due to specialization, and they are all necessarily verbal. Mathematicians might be activating more syntactical parts of the brain, but you can replicate that with any language. It is still verbal intelligence.
Jace Sanders
The whole insight of the IQ test, is that different types of intelligence are greatly correlated. Practically everyone who is good at math is also good at verbal intelligence stuff.
You should be highly skeptical of anyone who tries to say someone has high math or verbal skills, but a low value in the other. When you go out and objectively measure those two skills, they almost always come together.
Let's just say that you really don't know what you're talking about. Psychometric results also corroborate the distinction between quantitative (numerate+spatial) and verbal intelligence.
Brayden Murphy
Here's something you don't know: the higher your IQ, the lower the correlations between the different factors.
Indeed. It warms my heart there are other reasonable anons here.
Daniel Watson
> I dont believe its always the case that every case has low variance
Why do people who dont understand stats even talk.
Stay wrong fags
Thanks buddy, I didnt know that.
Isaiah Hall
Do you even know what correlation means, dumb-ass? Just because there is something that mediates between all the different aspects of intelligence that does not mean that they covary identically.
Joshua Cooper
>Just because there is something that mediates between all the different aspects of intelligence that does not mean that they covary identically.
So what?
Blake Flores
>does not mean that they covary identically Yes, it does, kek what a fucking retard
Isaac Russell
So being lopsided on one aspect of intelligence or another is not at all unexpected. Especially when you consider this
Kevin Bell
Not true, intelligence is convergent. Non-intelligence is divergent.
Jacob Brooks
>hurr durr PSA: this is a pity reply. find better bait next time
Andrew Nguyen
Ahahahaha
Levi Russell
I was being charitable, and assuming you had some statistical insight I didnt have, but now Im not so sure.
I mean maybe you are saying that everyone is good at math, but bad at language. Then I guess it would be "lopsided", but then its just a matter of scaling, not that there is a diversity of math and reading scores.
Jace Rogers
>maybe you are saying that everyone is good at math, but bad at language. The fuck? On what planet would anything I said be construed as such? You're not being charitable. You're retarded.
Lucas Scott
Are you the guy on this pic?
Jaxon Rodriguez
No.
Jaxon Lewis
Calm down, gentleman.
Ryan Wilson
>tfw Verbal IQ is literally 153 >Performance is 105 >great memory and arithmetic skills but shit at puzzles, chess, and every "smart person" thing ever >forever a brainlet s-still got that category theory am I right h-hehe
Benjamin Williams
What the fuck
Christian Taylor
What did your overall IQ come out to be
Benjamin Cox
>verbal IQ 153
Grayson Ward
what did he mean by that. about 135, don't ask me how it works.
Samuel Powell
Dude, your IQ is shit, this score is fake. Can't you see that? The fact that you are this gullible about it implies you probably has lower IQ than what would require you to understand how it works.
Zachary Wood
So Grothendieck is pretty much the guy who would be able to point himself in the right direction time and time again, but would require a relatively longer amount of time to polish his thoughts on a subject because he couldn't juggle too many moving parts at once.
Brody James
>153 verbal IQ points >135 IQ, Physics bach level >can't do fucking shit
Jackson Williams
Thanks.
Justin Lee
>don't ask me how it works what do you think I meant by that?
yep, those are my scores. what's your point?
Josiah Ortiz
He's a butthurt shitposter. You'd best ignore him.
Kevin Torres
How are your arithmetic skills could if you have an average performance IQ? I have a profile just like you, above average performance iq but genius verbal iq. Right now I do combinatorics (order theory and algorithms) and I'm having a blast. This is exactly how my research is, desu. It's so accurate it's scary.
Wyatt Baker
How are your arithmetic skills could if you have an average performance IQ?
Nolan Hall
I don't know, but I'm pretty good at calculations. not a prodigy or anything, just better than most. I'm also really good at some things (number theory, languages, computer sciences, group theory, philosophy) and absolute retarded dogshit at others (physics, chemistry, anything calculus) It's a pain since I live in a country where the most prestigious thing one can be is an engineer.
Brody Wilson
You could make a decent engineer, not the best though. Obviously, your strengths play towards a more theoretical role. Ofc, don't take my advice for verbatim.
Lincoln Green
Calculus is different from the rest of math, it is not well taught, but I'm sure you can dominate it quite easily if you put in the extra amount of time. Can I make a guess? You haven't evaluated the proofs, you probably haven't seen the fundamental theorem of algebra and you hated complex numbers, correct? Physics undergrad here. Things are easier than people think.
Nolan Gutierrez
You're an undergrad, you haven't seriously studied any of the things you claim to be good at.
Chase Anderson
Apparently he was the first person to realise that 57 is a prime.
Lincoln Kelly
also, he admitted he failed a math exam in arithmetic. he probably would have done poorly on the standard GRE math section. I could see that hurting him getting into a modern day math PhD program.
Leo Garcia
Yes, one of the greatest mathematicians would have done poorly on the GRE. Its not like the GRE is made to measure exactly that.
The things brainlets tell themselves.
Bentley Morris
>no one will ever call you an alien sent down from heaven to advance our civilization >in a nice way
Colton Miller
GRE has a lot of high school math. The exact kind he probably failed at. You're probably thinking of the subject test. I mean the basic one
Luke Rodriguez
You are retarded.
Jose Parker
He admitted he failed a math exam because he isn't good with arthimetic. That's what the standard GRE's math section includes. Stupid HS math. He would have probably done badly on that, since that the exact sort of material he failed at.
Austin Allen
This is literally me 100%, holy shit. WTF I love Grothendieck now!
Gabriel Allen
I disagree only because you can study for the GRE quant, that's what I did and I got a 166.
Carson Sanders
Alex could have studied for the arthemtic test he failed. He failed it anyways
Oliver Smith
I still disagree, his score would not be high but he should be at least able to make a 160+. They give you a calculator, I used that a lot.
Cooper Rogers
He said he was fairly bad at arthimetic. He said he pretty much failed those kind of exams. I doubt he would have been as successful as you think. His teachers thought he didn't even have talent in math cause he failed at some basics and didn't show aptitude at the low level
Isaiah Nelson
Yep. Still have to put a name on said things though. Like when you were a kid, some people would say they were better at geometry than at arithmetic, no one would go "lol pleb don't even know grothendieck lmao"
nah, I get complex numbers, it's actually one of the things I understand best. but I graduated high school three years ago and I still don't know why the area under the curve of a continuous function equals the difference of the values of the antiderivative. I literally still don't know. I have read proofs and I understood why they worked, but I don't see why it's true.
Owen Evans
God I hate stupid shits like you.
Ayden Stewart
>I still don't know why the area under the curve of a continuous function equals the difference of the values of the antiderivative How is that possible after three years ? You take the function F that maps x to the area under the curve of your function f between a fixed point a and x and you just need to prove that F is an antiderivative of f. But the curve of f between two close points x and x+h "looks like" a rectangle of base h and height f(x), and hence the rate of change of F between these two points is "roughly" f(x) (and the continuity of f gives you everything you need to make this handwaving into a rigorous argument).
Dominic Young
why do people worship grothendieck
i see it all the time on /sci
Liam Evans
Because people think he made revolutionary contribution to mathematics and was very smart
Austin Cooper
>grothendieck thread turns in IQ shitposting reeeeeee
Andrew Jackson
>thread on Veeky Forums turns into IQ shitposting who'd doubt
Sebastian Campbell
There were like 10 IQ posts tops in the whole thread, and they all happened yesterday. And the first sentence in the OP is literally "How smart was Grothendieck". Of course someone's gonna bring up IQ. God anti IQ crybabies are the worst. Like it or not it's a gr8 predictor or math ability, get over it.
Ryan Brooks
>gr8 fuck off underage
Nolan Gonzalez
>implying June has a low IQ >implying that even if he did, one single anecdote is enough to disprove the rest of the data
Michael Jackson
What book is on the table?
Adrian Ross
The Typical Autistic Genius. Veeky Forums denizens.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twice_exceptional >Intellectually above average as child, diagnosed with disabilities as Autism, Asperger, OCD, ADHD. >They thrive on intellectual challenges in their areas of interest and ability.
Strengths: >Superior vocabulary, Advanced ideas and opinions, High levels of creativity and problem-solving ability, Extremely curious, imaginative, and inquisitive, Wide range of interests not related to school, Penetrating insight into complex issues, Specific talent or consuming interest area, Sophisticated sense of humor Deficits >Poor social skills, High sensitivity to criticism, Lack of organizational and study skills, Discrepant verbal and performance skills, Poor performance in one or more academic areas, Difficulty with written expression, Stubborn, opinionated demeanor, High impulsivity
