Want to feels like ripping your eyes out?

Wrong. 2 (3) = (3*2) by distribution
Since it is a parantheses, you do it first.

You should learn your math before you put other people down.

The entire point of having a standard order of operations is that they are adhered to when no other instruction is given. This eliminates ambiguity. The simple fact that many people do not know/understand this standard is disheartening.

This is the single dumbest post I've ever seen on Veeky Forums. And I'm the one who makes flat earth threads.

>Since it is a parantheses, you do it first.
Do what first? 3? Ok, 3 is done, 2 is not in the parentheses. Evaluate the rest of the expression, and get 58.

RING DING DING

RING DING DIN GINGI SDGNGGH
That feel is calling

Multiplication of a bracket happens with the same priority as operations within the bracket actually

Retard, there literally is no standard.

>Multiplication of a bracket
Stopped reading here.

>3 is done
got a genuine chuckle out of me, user.

I don't know how you could come up with anything other than 58

Or, since you're quite obviously out of your depth, let me spell it out both accurately and precisely:

There are a lot of standards. None of them are universal.

nice try user

>nice try user
Why are you trying to bait on Veeky Forums? Go to /b/ kiddo.

(6^2)/2(3)+4

36/2(3) +4

18(3) +4

54 +4

58

It's 10 you mong.

its not
6^2/2 is a coefficient of 3

then add 4

If I am wrong, prove it

Let me guess, your most frequented board is /pol/ and you believe in God.

TI83: 58
TI36xPro: 58
TI30xIIs: 58
Casio FX-115ES: 58
Casio HR100TM: 58
HP 40gs: 58

6^2/2*3+4
36/2*3+4
18*3+4
54+4
58

Its not 10 you mong.

The number 2 is not in the paranthese you stupid fucks therefore there is no reason to do anything with it until its role as a multiplier is called upon. The answer is 10 and you're either a retard or a troll if you think otherwise.

Your first sentence is correct, then you went retarded.

its 58 and anyone who says differently does not know the definition of the division sign as opposed to the fraction sign

I am aware of how the number 58 is reached and that's a bullshit way to approach the situation. You can't restructure the entire equation on the fly just to make it fit your meme agenda. You do each component one at a time in the order prescribed. It's that simple.

The parenthesis is multiplication. Division and multiplication is done from left to right.

Square the 6, divide by 2, multiply by 3 and then add 4. That's 6th grade PEMDAS. that gives you 58.

If you can't do that, why the fuck are you on this board?

>You can't restructure the entire equation on the fly
Writing 2(3) as 2 * 3 isn't restructuring anything, they are synonymous. I believe it is this misunderstanding that is leading to brainlets like yourself to being confused.

Parenthesis: do what is in the parenthesis
Exponent: take the number to the power of the exponential

do those from left to right

Multiply
divide

do those from left to right

add
subtract

do those from left to right

3(4) is multiplication, it is not inside the parenthesis.

idiot.

>divide by 2, multiply by 3

1/10 for making me reply. Just please do us all a favor and kys

How do you not understand this? If I was your math teacher in high school I probably would have gotten fired for beating you.

You are legitimately mentally ill. I'm not even going to bother explaining to you because you clearly lack the wherewithal to perform basic algebra. Just leave this thread

>I'm not even going to bother explaining to you because I can not clearly express my logic or reasoning without knowing I will be wrong and scrutinized.

FTFY

I've expressed my logic. Your response has made it obvious that you are too low leve of a thinker to handle something of this caliber so it's futile to get you to understand something you can't.

Who the fuck even uses ÷ anymore?

but he's right in essence. however he's wrong in another sense, that sense being the fact that there are two valid answers because the problem is written much too vague because writing a division symbol like that is literally retarded. anyone that does that should be shot on sight

Can you link your post where you step by step solve the problem so it equals 10? I want to see your post, but can't seem to decipher it through all the equals 58 posts.

>6th grade PEMDAS
>divide by 2
>multiple by 3
>PEMDAS
>PE MD AS
>MD
>divide by 2, multiply by 3
>divide, multiply
>d, m
>pedmas ??
pemdas gives you 10 dumbass

>it's vague
The word you're looking for is ambiguous, but either way, you are wrong. There is nothing ambiguous about the way it is written. that division symbol is synonymous with '/' and 2(3) is synonymous with 2 * 3.

There isn't 2 right answers.

see this. I don't have a calculator on hand that will give me 10

No because I am just trolling while low key believing my answer (10) is the practical correct answer and acknowledging that (58) is the tryhard but also correct answer. And I don't like tryhards.

exponents, multiply, divide the two numbers, add 4. that's what you would do if you were following pemdas, however it isn't necessarily any more right because that division symbol is just wrong. you don't divide like that unless you're an actual mongoloid. the notation is simply too vague

Ahh, I see where your misunderstanding is now.

Multiplication has the same precedence as Division and Addition has the same precedence as Subtraction, this is something you probably forgot about PEMDAS. If you need to think about it like this: PE(MD)(AS), it would help.

mathsisfun.com/operation-order-pemdas.html

it doesn't

6^2 = 36

36/2 = 18

18 * 3 = 54

54 + 4 = 58

Done. If you want to tell me how that's wrong, step by step, then please do. PLEASE DO IT.

>wrong
>doesn't disagree with me
hmm nice one retard

i never said there was 2 answer, i'm saying both are either valid or not valid because the problem is vague

if you think there's a universal order of operations you need to hang yourself effective immediately. PEMDAS gives you 10, but 58 works as well because that division sign is retarded. people are getting 58 because they're putting the 3 on top of the division sign rather than below

Why are you dividing before multiplying? Are you another one of these retards that doesn't understand the alphabet?

10 isn't a correct answer.

Woah, slow down there tardo. Of course I disagreed with you, for you are wrong.

See: He is dividing first because the division comes before the multiplication in the expression.

>i never said there was 2 answer
>however he's wrong in another sense, that sense being the fact that there are two valid answers because the problem is written much too vague because writing a division symbol like that is literally retarded.

>i'm saying both are either valid or not valid because the problem is vague
meaningless bullshit

>if you think there's a universal order of operations you need to hang yourself effective immediately.
> PEMDAS gives you 10

You can't do PEMDAS but you type shit like a fucking retard. Why would anyone take you seriously? You don't even have a logical principal to follow.

HOLY FUCK SCI IS BRAIN-DEAD. THERE IS NO ANSWER TO THIS PROBLEM. THAT DIVISION SIGN IS TOO VAGUE. PIC RELATED, JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.

here dumbass read. you guys are arguing something that has been known to be vague for at least half a fucking century. the fucking wikipedia on order of operations literally concedes that there is no universal order of operations in a case like this because you can interpret the 3 either above or below the slash

fucking hell sci is more retarded than i remember

I can tell you are the same person who has posted 10 times because you keep misusing the term vague, you are incoherent. Also, that exception does not apply here.

PEMDAS does give you 10.

6^2 is exponents, 2(3) is multiplication honeybunny, and 36/6 is division!! wow look you're a big boy now!! you can do PEMDAS!!

why do you skip the division?

6^2 / 2(3) + 4 =
36 / 2(3) + 4 =
36 / 2 * 3 + 4 =
18 * 3 + 4 =
54 + 4 =
58

Try to point out where I am wrong, and post your work as I did. I'll help you fix your mistake.

It's 58. PEMDAS says it's 58, mt ti-84 says it's 58, matlab says it's 58, mathematica says it 58, maple says it 58. It's 58.

It's 10!!!!!
It's 58!!!!!!

Oh wait, it's definitively neither; you're all fucking retards. "Many academics consider the mnemonic PEMDAS as non-applicable with implied groupings that are ambiguous, such as 1/2x, where the lack of an explicit operator × between the 2 and the x implies a grouping of the 2 with the x."

There is no P component
exponent from left to right: 6^2 = 36
multiplication and division from left to right: 36/2 = 18, 18 * 3 = 54
addition and subtrition from left to right: 54 + 4 = 58

how are you this fucking stupid?

its not 10 or 58, then what is it?

In some of the academic literature, multiplication denoted by juxtaposition (also known as implied multiplication) is interpreted as having higher precedence than division, so that 1/2x equals 1/(2x), not (1/2)x. For example, the manuscript submission instructions for the Physical Review journals state that multiplication is of higher precedence than division with a slash,[9] and this is also the convention observed in prominent physics textbooks such as the Course of Theoretical Physics by Landau and Lifshitz and the Feynman Lectures on Physics.

THUS, we have:

6^2 / 2(3) + 4
36 / 2(3) + 4
36 / 6 + 4
6 + 4
10

There you go, fuckboy. As I've said, "many academics consider the mnemonic PEMDAS as non-applicable with implied groupings that are ambiguous, such as 1/2x, where the lack of an explicit operator × between the 2 and the x implies a grouping of the 2 with the x."

>In some of the academic literature
You realize this literally disproves what you are trying to say. This means in most academic literature this is not the case. We are operating under PEMDAS, not some odd, obscure methodology prescribed in "some academic literature". Consensus is king. This is why even Google's calculator shows the correct answer 58. I see you are angsty, but I hope you can learn something from this bud.

has sci gone down the shitter to the point of asking stupid questions as these

no, you do what is inside of the parenthesis first. What is outside of the parenthesis does not take precedence above multiplication or division. 2(3) = 2*3.

That is a fact that can not be argued.

>r9k

Just report this and

No, I used the word "vague" right, dumb ass. Ambiguous would've worked just as well. They're literally synonymous, off yourself.

The real point is there is no consensus as to whether or not applied multiplication takes priority over division.

But there is a consensus that it's best to remove the ambiguity by writing it as a fraction instead of using the ÷ sign. Thus you seldom see the ÷ sign in university level mathematics.

No, you didn't use 'vague' right. You used it wrong several times, even after I corrected you. Leading me to the conclusion that you are, in fact, a mongol.

english.stackexchange.com/questions/67523/difference-between-vague-unclear-and-ambiguous

thats right. Its not the math that's the problem, its the wording.

typical math fags.

You just proved that I did use vague right, fucking retard. I've been saying from the beginning that the problem is VAGUE, IT'S LACKING DETAIL; THERE'S NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION. AND, THEREFORE, THE ANSWER CAN EITHER BE ONE OR THE OTHER; OR NEITHER. Whether or not you agree with that sentiment doesn't matter, what matters is I used vague right, and you're a brain-dead edgelord.

I like how you show me a link like I'm not going to fucking read it. The problem IS vague, in my opinion, and you can't tell me I'm using the word wrong; what you can tell me is that it's NOT vague, and give me reasons, but that doesn't mean I'm using the word wrong.

So fucking retarded.

No it does not, you did not read it.
This user explained it well:

No, ironically, your use of 'vague' is vague. You meant ambiguous.

>3 is done.

I can't stop crying.

I haven't done much math since high school and am only now getting back into it. I had never been told that multiplication and division occur in the order that they are written and not the multiplication first. I feel lied to and want to punch my high school math teacher in her tits now.
Legitimately thanks. I learned something today.

Multiplication and division are really the same. So is addition and subtraction.

Don't trust anyone, understand it so you know why.

Division is the same thing as Multiplying by a number's reciprocal.

A / B = A * (1/B)

Seeing as though the same expression can be written with either multiplication or division operators, they need to have the same precedence. This is why mathematicians who created PEMDAS declared that multiplication and division must be evaluated from left to right, so there was a standard.

Similar with addition and subtraction, subtraction is just adding negatives.

A + B = A + (-B)

Order of operations troll thread

I meant A - B = A + (-B)

Yeah that makes sense, the frustrating part is that the teacher I am mentioning literally never explained that. She just went down the PEMDAS acronym and had us do each one in turn. This also means that many of the questions she had us answer required the objectively wrong answer.
Once again, thanks for the lesson, this will definitely save my ass once I finish the Khan Academy pre-university mathematics courses before returning to Community College with my head on straight.

While I am aware that 2(3) is the equivalent of 2*3, I really feel that logically it should be the equivalent of (2*3) and whoever decided that it's the former rather than the latter is a fucking asshole.

No, you're just a dumbass.

>3 is done
Holy shit my sides

unironically leave this board

>whoever decided that the number stays outside the parentheses rather than magically appearing inside them is an asshole

[math] \displaystyle
6^2/2(3)+4 \\
36/2 \cdot 3+4 \\
18 \cdot 3+4 \\
54+4 \\
58
[/math]

Retard, open up any math textbook and they have the exact same order of operations.

If you think order of operations is a subject of "depth," you are clearly making shit up. Stop.

doesn't look like 2 is inside the parenthesis there. Why are you processing it like it was (2 * 3) instead of how it is written?

M comes before D buddy

No it doesn't.

they're equal faggot

ok so then you admit there can be two answers

You are an idiot who doesnt know math beyond arithmetic. None of the orders are certain. Theyre based on axioms which you must bring up in all books.