You can drive a typical Mercedes E-class for eight years before you do as much damage to the environment as a Tesla. One of the reasons for this is the super-heavy batteries used in electric vehicles.
Millions upon millions of e-cars also means millions upon millions of such batteries. Raw materials such as lithium and cobalt are in high demand. But where does cobalt come from? Well, at least to an overwhelming extent it come from the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), a nation rocked by civil war and large-scale corruption. It's mainly child labourers who have to dig out the ore. But without cobalt from the DRC you can forget about any fantasies about e-cars.
Poisons and dangerous particles are a side effect of the production of batteries, let alone the tons of carbon dioxide produced. And in the end, millions of batteries have to be disposed of and then hopefully recycled. Otherwise it is toxic waste.
If you dig the stuff for batteries out of the ground to start with why can't you just chuck it back into the ground once you're done with it? If you dig a ton of stuff out of the ground and eat it you'll die whether it's toxic waste or regular ore. There's functionally no difference.
Brayden Rivera
>hydrogen fuel cells yes and electrolysis to get hydrogen from sea water with electricity from deep geothermal
boom worlds energy and pollution problem fixed
Ryan Wood
Whoa, you must be like a genius, or something! :^)
Isaiah Sanders
wow great thread
low IQ fuckheads with no thermodynamics analysis
Parker Johnson
>bitching about no thermodynamics analysis >no thermodynamics analysis Veeky Forums in a post
The total entropy of the universe will go up if we use hydrogen fuel cells.
Blake Robinson
It'll go up no matter what. The universe is destined to die by design.
Dylan Perry
>by design. Oh shit! Hello God! Fuck off faggot, stop playing Nostradamus.
Samuel Bell
tens of trillions of infrastructure spending needed.
Nathan Perez
>>you can drive a typical mercedes E-class for eight years before you do as much damage to the environment as a Tesla Sounds like you pulled that right out of your ass
Car batteries can be downcycled for grid level energy storage. They may not have enough charge to drive a car 100 miles, but they might still have enough to drive it 80, which would work just fine for grid level storage.
>Should current battery cells be improved Yes >Should we move to hydrogen fuel cells Not yet
Battery technology is still not at it's full potential, mostly because of chemical problems, like the formation of Dendrites in the electeolyte, and the problems with narrow temperature ranges. Or out of "room twmperature" spectrum.
Srill, there are a LOT of different teams working on this issues as we speak, about 6 months ago, there have been lots of imñrovements, but we are still missing the holy grail. Oh and also Metal-air batteries have amazing potential.
Look for UTexas and Dr. goodenough for the improvements on Lithium batteries
And for the Hydrogen cells, I Mean rhwy are cool and all, but the ways we have to make hydrogen are pretty inefficient. Untill we. Have a more reliably method, we're stuck.
Plus Hydrogen is just a middle man, If batteries were more efficient they would make Hydrogen a niusance.
Michael Gutierrez
>Tens of trillions Distributed for each region's energy needs, one person isn't paying for all of it. So if the only downside is start up cost what's the problem?
Owen Johnson
the economic stimulus would pay for the costs just imagine how much extra spending money households will have when electricity/water/fuel becomes effectively free
Justin Lewis
Technically it is IMPOSSIBLE to go to battery solution. There are not enough of the raw materials being mined. Cobalt for example.
Jackson Nguyen
>hydrogen >one of the most combustible and hard to store materials >making it the base of the energy We stopped using dirigibles partially because of it. Fuel cells are all right, but using other fuels.
Noah Roberts
>technology hasn't advanced in the last 100 years.
Kevin Parker
>cobalt demand and prices go up >people start refining for cobalt again >cobalt production goes up and prices go down. >cheap and plentiful cobalt.
or >someone develops alternative because cobalt prices too high.
Caleb Myers
cool, thanks
Blake Martinez
>hydrogen fuel cells
Research in those areas died a decade ago. They proved to be inferior.
Hey same thing could be said about Tungsten, and yet here we are and the chinese have it all and are rising the market prices. There is enough for a good amount of batteries, just that is so delocalized that it's hard to grasp
Gavin Brooks
Hydrogen needs 2-3 times the amount of elctricity that an electric car needs. Either way, as it looks, solid state batteries are around the corner anyway. Samsung said they're gonna make smartphones with them in a year or two.
Adrian Fisher
are you drunk?
Josiah Butler
Its the second law of thermodynamics you brainlet. Entropy always increases. Even if the universe doesnt have an "end" eventually there will be no useful energy left.
Jose Williams
Not yet, I'm just a dumb phoneposter that loathes autocorrect
Gavin Howard
my condolences
Nolan Wilson
I think we'd be better off with biodiesel no electricity required just the sun.
Henry Collins
maybe energy is being created somewhere and pumped into the universe
