I am someone who has been struggling with anhedonia, feelings of depersonalization and procrastination for quite some time. I've tried different things in my attempts to treat or cure this issue.
Things that I have tried and worked somewhat, but wasn't enough
>Exercise >Keto diet >Bacopa Monneri >Testosterone Injections (Works great actually, it's just that it stops working as good and you have to control estrogen levels plus pinning every week in the butt sucks). It looks like every time I take a drug that increases dopamine all my issues go away, my imagination begins sparking with thoughts and vivid imagery. I become driven, competitive and very focused, obsessed almost, specially with aesthetics and music. This happen to me when I take as low as 5mg of Dexamphetamine, lasts around 4 hours, which leaves me with a relaxed but empty mind that feels like it's floating in space...
>Why bother make a thread if I have already found a drug that helps?
Well, I cannot take Dex more than 3 days a week or my tolerance increases substantially and I become dependent on the drug just to get out of bed. The ups and downs are also a thing that seems to really mess with me mentally, it's hard to keep goals when you suddenly lose your way into depression, and have to raise up yet again.
So, I've been thinking. What if I get a drug that also increases dopamine, but in a more steady and stable manner such as Selegiline? The half life is more than 24 hours long, and since it won't increase my dopamine levels extraordinary high, it might be just what I need to boost my mood and stay on track of my goals, even if that comes with having to sacrifice the euphoria shorting acting medication might give me. I've read some good reports on the drug, but it does seem to be a hit or miss for some people. I can buy a 6 month supply of Selegiline online for only 50€, so that's great. What are your thoughts, does my thinking make sense to you? Worth a try?
Help a brainlet decide important life drug decisions.
Parker Evans
>needing drugs brainlet
Thomas Martin
If you need drugs to succeed, you don't succeed, the drug does.
Gabriel Barnes
That's silly, I've meet shit loads of improvement in my hobbies thanks to drugs that I would have never been able to do in my normal, depressed state.
Carter Gonzalez
>I've made*
Brandon Long
i am incredibly experienced here >I am someone who has been struggling with anhedonia, feelings of depersonalization and procrastination for quite some time. STAY AWAY FROM WEED IF YOU HAVE SCHIZOID TRAITS psychedelic drugs help the drug itself does not help, its the experience of feeling something that helps people like us. take cold showers most importantly spend time in wild places put your hands in the dirt connect to your greater self. study ecology onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/fee.1225/full?hootPostID=d4f4d1f5c1e6c1d58fafa415b47a5cd5
Brody Jenkins
>I am someone who has been struggling with anhedonia, feelings of depersonalization and procrastination That is the literal definition of brainlet and nothing can cure brainletism
Gavin Stewart
>STAY AWAY FROM WEED IF YOU HAVE SCHIZOID TRAITS
Yep...had a horrible experience with weed one year ago. Never trying that again in my life. That was the most hellish 4 months of my life, I felt like I was going completely insane. I like taking walks in nature alone and travelling by myself, but it usually takes a bit of dopamine from the drugs so actually want to do it and go about it.
This is all so silly, user. If I could just have that bit of dopamine more in my brain all the time, or at least more often, my life would be completely different. I am genuinely happy and productive when I take Dexamphetamines.
Jaxon Edwards
Would a brainlet be able to do this?
Nathaniel Perry
Cut back on your porn. Way back. 3 months of noporn to start.
Nathaniel Sullivan
>lowest hanging fruit: exercise, preferably both resistance and aerobic diet which maintains optimal weight and has wide variety of foods including coffee, green tea, meats, whole grains, dairy, vegetables, fruits etc. no processed shit enough sleep lowering stress not smoking or doing other stupid things >more: fuck off it doesnt exist
Leo Lee
>>more: fuck off it doesnt exist
It does do. Have you ever tried adderall?
Bentley Morgan
Maybe op is a troll, but if not your complacency in drug usage is going to ruin your life faster than you will realize.
I don't think i can say anything to sway you, because nobody could sway me. It always starts small, and from your perspective it stays small until it has engulfed your life. Once you realize you have a problem, you've had one for long time, and you will never get back the time spent using substances instead of improving yourself.
I wish I could explain it to you, you are running downhill thinking you're on a level surface. Good luck either way
Sebastian Rivera
Keto is a meme. Experiment with other diets if you haven't yet.
James Anderson
>take cold showers I've heard this advice before given to skitzotypical people. what's the basis...?
Christian King
I am not a troll, and despite my shitty life I yet to fall into addiction after using Dexamphetamines at low dosages for 2 years. I take enough to stay productive and not swirl down into depression due to procrastination, that's all. I have never taking more than 15mg of Dex at once, and that's only 3/5 of the daily prescription dosage for most.
John Howard
there are plenty of brainlet sophomore aerospace engineering students...
William Hernandez
>Nobody mentioning meditation
Start meditating OP, your brain is a muscle and if you can't focus it's because you've been letting that ability atrophy. Every time you let some primal urge rule over your neocortex it becomes that much easier to give into that primal urge and that much harder to bring your neocortex to bear.
Exercise that muscle OP, sit down for around 20 minutes a day and focus on your breathing and count each breath, your body sensations, the feel of your weight and the floor pressing up against you. I don't fucking care. Just every time your mind starts daydreaming or wandering off from counting your breaths or focusing on your bodily sensations bring it back to fucking task.
It'll get easier with time, and when you can meditate with the best of them focusing on a given task will be a lot easier.
Also, drugs are for brainlets.
Jace Jackson
Here's the thing man, I am not a stranger to meditation. I started like 2 years ago with the Sam harris youtube videos.
Leo Gonzalez
>That was the most hellish 4 months of my life, I felt like I was going completely insane. elaborate
Connor Allen
I am not though, I learned that on my own. Anyhow, if I am a brain let so be it. But I know for a fact my brain behaves very differently as soon as I have a bit more dopamine in my system.
So that's the focus here.
Aaron Thomas
>with the Sam harris youtube videos.
Jason Lewis
You didn't mention it in your OP.
Do you sit down for 20 minutes every day and actually keep your mind on task when meditating? If so, and you still have problems focusing, maybe your brain is so dependent on drugs like Adderall that it no longer has much receptor sensitivity to neurotransmitters like dopamine?
In which case I guess you could always try taking increasing dosages of drugs to try and counteract your increasingly fucked up brain chemistry.
Best of luck, man.
William Williams
Well, imagine living in a constant state of panic, dread and feeling like you cannot escape. You would be minding your own business and bam, for no reason you are panicking and you feel like something horrible is going to happen. Then, there was the issues with concentration, anhedonia, difficulty sleeping, feeling like I was watching myself from the outside, detached from my own perceptions.
It's some freaky shit, which only helps exacerbate the anxiety you suffer even more. It went away as soon as I started injecting testosterone. I imagine because higher test levels reduce cortisol and that allowed me to chill out and relax, recover a bit from all that unnecessary stress.
Hudson Ortiz
If you said ten years I would call it placebo.
With each dose you are reinforcing the core beliefs that bring you back to drugs.
With distaste for your life and drug usage you are a liable to lapse into a greater habit.
Colton Long
He had a good intro video into how to practice mindful meditation.
I tried for a long time to stir away from drugs, not that I use that much of them. I felt like I achieved nothing, only wasted time that I could have used to improve things that might actually allow me to make money and improve my life overall in the future.
Xavier Ramirez
>15mg of Dex at once, and that's only 3/5 of the daily prescription dosage for most.
Really?
I took 2.5mg twice a day for only a couple months. It was nuts just how much easier it became to pick something up and just do it.
I started freaking out about the long term side effects of using drugs like Adderall, and the number they do on your brain. So after a couple of months I decided to drop the shit.
Daniel Martinez
Yeah, but given my options taken the drugs seems like a better choice. I do more work, and happier because of it. One of the main reasons I feel depressed most of the time is because I don't have this energy to be productive.
Caleb Smith
I do that too, use it for some months then stop and use something else (Modafinil). The reason I am interesting in selegiline is because it seems to actually be beneficial for you to take long term, and it it works half as well at Dex, then that would be a wonder drug for me.
Leo Roberts
You don't need to explain yourself to me, your situation is what it is. I'll only say that I think if you're going to use drugs it's better to use them as a short-term crutch instead of as a prosthetic limb.
It sounds like your brain is dependent on the stuff now that you've been taking it for awhile, I honestly don't think at this stage you could go cold turkey and expect your brain to eventually return to its normal brain chemistry.
If it works for you, that's fine, but you might need to keep taking increasing dosages of the stuff as your brain keeps building up a tolerance to the drug. I don't know how long you can ride that tiger, but then I don't think there's a lot of studies on the long term effects of these prescriptions.
Caleb Mitchell
> I don't know how long you can ride that tiger, but then I don't think there's a lot of studies on the long term effects of these prescriptions.
Yeah, I don't know either. I am pretty much lost trying to find a realistic solution for my situation.
Jaxon James
>Yeah, but given my options taken the drugs seems like a better choice. You will never find an addict anywhere who believes any different. Its self-fufilling. As long as you do the drugs you can ignore the side-effects of whatever plagues you. The drugs will always be the better choice as long as you do them.
I think you deny your problems are interpersonal, I think that contributes a placebo effect to the high, causing your perceived problems to disappear, stacking with the minimal effects of the drug.
Also, your lack of energy is more likely to be a symptom of depression than they other way around. Check with a doctor to be sure, you could be anemic or something.
Daniel Bailey
>I took 2.5mg twice a day for only a couple months. It called sensitization. There are some good threads on Reddit. Be careful.
Nathan Long
>I think you deny your problems are interpersonal
Sure some of them are, I am just in a shitty situation I find hard to get out of unless I stay productive and follow my goals. This is why I use the drugs.
>Also, your lack of energy is more likely to be a symptom of depression than they other way around. Check with a doctor to be sure, you could be anemic or something.
Already did, I've tried all sorts of prescribed stuff by my old psychiatrist. Antidepressants didn't work. I got my testosterone blood levels tested and it was 429ng/dL at 20. Low, but not low enough to justify a prescription by my doc, so I went out and did it by myself. Test works wonders for depression and anxiety, and Modafinil for staying focused on my goals.
Jose Ross
>It called sensitization.
I didn't know about this, actually, but it might explain my now almost chronic insomnia.
Jaxson Thomas
No one here uses Selegiline as a nootropic?
Jayden Lee
meditate nofap for 1 month and stop watching porn exercise gain confidence eat healthy be social No drugs needed you just need to man the fuck up
Adam Walker
Ok. I just wanted to see what I could say.
One last question. I wont respond after this.
If you use drugs to get out of a shitty situation, what is stopping you from using them afterwards, if in hindsight all they did was help you.
Take your reasoning after getting out of your shitty situation, what would stop you from using drugs to better yourself even further, or from seeing your new situation as also shitty.
Anyway, thanks for the discussion.
Mason Sanchez
>If you use drugs to get out of a shitty situation, what is stopping you from using them afterwards, if in hindsight all they did was help you.
That depends on the effectiveness of Selegiline a drug that is able to replace both Testosterone and Modafinil, and how my life is 5 years from now once I have enough money to leave. If Selegiline works as I would like it to, I would have no issue taking that drug forever or until a better alternative comes up as it seems to be recommended as an anti-aging supplement anyway. If my life is good enough once I leave this place 5 years from now that I don't feel like this anymore, I might not have a reason to take drugs anymore. I guess I can do nothing but keep working, save money and see what happens.
Robert Ortiz
user, Weed hits me the same way. I wanted to like it as a kid, but your experience happened to me too. Except I got severe deja by that lasted for day. It was hell. I'm an adult now and STILL get deja Vu usually 3 or so times a day. Sometimes on stressful days I get more than 10 instances. I wish I never smoked week. It wrecked me for so long. Psychedelics are okay for me but weed is just evil for my brain chemistry.
Christopher Cooper
In addition: with my ridiculous deja vu I felt as if I was stuck in some hellish time warp and that I would repeat the same hell forever. At points it felt like I could see the future. When my deja vu hits now I try to ignore it.
Alexander Harris
Someone give me a TL;DR of this thread? I've been having really a lot of trouble focusing and am going to the doctor, I'm afraid she'll prescribe some shitty drug (she's not a psychiatrist and wasn't even familiar with Adderall) and I would like, instead, to ask for something that most people have had good experiences with (like adderall).
Cooper Gutierrez
ergo-log.com
longecity.org
But seriously, dude, stop fucking yourself up. Fish oil, eggs, and piracetam are the safest way to go. Take magnesium citrate with a fat source (e.g. olive oil) before you go to sleep.
Test injections? Fine if you're in your fifties, if not, then you should focus onj optimising your test production through diet. Garlic, ginger, olive oil, eggs, fish oil, ZINC PICOLINATE especially, etc. all send it through the roof.
Christopher Wood
I got addicted to the schizm weed opens and have struggled with it for years. I went from a productive genius to chains smoking king sized elements all day, real snoop dog shit. I've become self aware and have more agency now. The experience led me to intresting places. I feel I have a better personality now but I really pushed myself to the edge. I've been on amphetamines since I was 6 and that also really fucked me up.I would be surprised if I could even produce dopamine. It just makes me focus on my wandering mind. I can take 60mg and do nothing but pace all day. Grief from Biodiversity loss is what really cleaved my emotions from my thoughts. Having a mind like this has intellectual upsides but is detrimental to acedemic pursuits. It's hard to live. Anecdotally i find the mammalian diving response connects the mind to bodily experience. Magic mushrooms work for me in a similar way, high doses connect abstracta to bodily experience. One 7 grams I can see ecosystem dynamics as networks that superveine on mundane artifacts. Nothing supernatural, just conceptual synthesia.
Joshua Lopez
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Christopher Morgan
good luck.
Jacob Evans
Cold showers and sprinting, nodrenalin and dopamine.
Also, thiamine helps rid people of depression, and from personal experience, a heavily vegan diet can produce SO much energy. With a high watt blender and the right ingredients you can destroy your depression, get hella nutrients, and feel healthfully energized for hours. The energy you get feels pristiine.
But yeah, thiamine and folate, good stuff for your symptoms mane. FOLATE not folic acid. Multivitamins are mostly a sham
William Adams
who is this semen demon?
Easton Wilson
Sorry, niacin not folate. It helps with providing cells energy.
Smoothie recipe that really gives clean energy: Handful of spinach, two bananas, a handful of blueberries, a handful of raspberries and 1/4 - 1/2 of a cup of coconut water. Feels noice
Eli Nguyen
I used to get deja'vus too sometimes, weed is just horrible for some of us. Not sure why. Testosterone made all those issues go away for me, not sure why either...
What are your goals? Attention and productivity? Give Modafinil a try. If you need that plus an antidepressant, Maybe Selegiline might be worth a shot.
Jose Taylor
Saving this. This is extremely interesting.
Caleb Perez
>fluorine dropped.
Bentley Cruz
Nigga just eat healthy and sleep.
If you want some kind of boost stick to things that are relatively safe >coffee >nicotine gum
Dont mess with shit, they make you feel smarter but in the long run affect your cognitive abilities.
Gavin Turner
>>coffee >>nicotine gum you me user? starting chewing to quit smoking and never stopped...
Ryan Morris
OP here. I come back from work.
Hardly slept last night, and today I did like 13 hours. I am beyond exhausted, yet I love this feeling. I can always count on sleep deprivation to make me feel calm and relaxed. Listening to music and closing my eyes, feels like I am taking a ride into abyss. Music is just not this good when I am sleeping fine.
Aiden Hughes
Nicotine makes me heart beat strongly, sometimes it hurts.
James Smith
>Anecdotally i find the mammalian diving response connects the mind to bodily experience. Magic mushrooms work for me in a similar way, high doses connect abstracta to bodily experience. One 7 grams I can see ecosystem dynamics as networks that superveine on mundane artifacts. Nothing supernatural, just conceptual synthesia.
I had a very, very bad trip with Salvia Divinorum once. I gave Weed a try thinking it would be fine, but it produce the same hellish experience to me. I just don't think I could ever trip and not have a fucked up panic attack again.
the only thing i recommend is smoking DMT and experiencing death. Then again i have virtually no anxiety and have never had a bad trip out of hundreds. Just some scary moments. i will say saliva is very different from everything else. Psychedelics are different from weed, try a small dose and you should be fine. If you dont want to do psychedelics then dont. Maybe travel and stay with people from other cultures.
