What are Veeky Forums thoughts on Hip Hop lyricism 2.0?

>hip hop
>musical
Hip hop is the YA of music

Go back to your home board, nigger

>discuss hip-hop in a Veeky Forums context,
>what is the Veeky Forums equivalent of death grips

Name a good Death Grips thread ever. You can't.

this is now a diablo thread

youtube.com/watch?v=ET7OEgRgwPU

Liquid Swords is a pretty good album. The rest of those are pretty shit

>repeating catchy buzzwords over a beat = poetry

>repeating catchy buzzwords over a metre = poetry

ftfy

>most of this thread implying that Joyce wouldn't have fucking loved Kool Keith's wordplay

I can see rapers with nobel prices in the future

Not that the nobel prize means something anymore, but there is.

i prefer bankroll fresh and kodak black

some of the prizes are still meaningful. it's just the peace prize that is worthless

If you're gonna talk about the lyricism of Death Grips at least make it Niggas on the Moon, that's their best album in terms of lyrics.

No MF Doom my dude? Really?

In hip-hop, there's a sense that its wordplay is lackluster, not because of rap itself, but because your comparison of of one rappers song vs a book seems incompatible in terms of total linguistics. Leaning towards the book is rather more comfortable I find. But when rappers work towards their opus, they're keeping together their former wordplay, they keep getting more drastic in trying to raise the bar and their career winds up being like pieces of a book. Mind you the intermingling of writers is a bit more precarious, instead of working together to further eachothers careers, its more like creating the next chapter.

>Death Grips
Fucking "dangerous" shitpster drawing. Get it outta my face!

Beastie Boys and Snoop Dogg is where it's at.

youtube.com/watch?v=8gUM9uNXHEo

>No Love Deep Web, that's their best album in terms of lyrics.
FIFY

poly-graph.co/vocabulary.html

>all my favorites are to the right of 4500

Nice.

Proving once again West Coast sucks.

>what is any genre with lyrics
stupid ape

Kys close-minded pleb

lil ugly mane up in this bitch
>RATHER TAKE THE LATTER ROUTE
>THE LADDER ROUTE
>ROPE AROUND MY NECK AND KICK THE LADDER OUT

holy... dang....... deep.............

Represent.

>Bitch I'm morose and lugubrious
>I'ma let the Uzi spit
>Turn his face into gooey shit
>Bitch I'm lugubrious, my trap game is stupidest
>You acting like I'm new to this
>I been sick since the uterus
>I equate your uselesness to bitches that are bootyless

28 GRAMS GOTTA BAG EM OUT
STANDIN IN THE RAIN FEELIN BAD ABOUT
THE MOMMAS LOSING JOBS OVER THE ROCKS THAT I BE PASSIN OUT
IN VAST AMOUNTS

....cringe......

can anyone explain the appeal of this

being 100% genuine

like, when i read these lyrics and listen to other hip hop, it all feels like wish fulfilment; living vicariously through rappers.

is this the music equivalent of fantasising over throwing a touchdown pass to win the superbowl, only 100x more degenerate?

RAINDROP

DROP TOP

(you when listening to rap)

Give enough chimps typewriters they can make something similar enough to music.

All aesthetic, no art. /thread

That's pretty accurate in all honesty. You might still enjoy Death Grips though, they ratchet up the hedonism to an absurd level (to illustrate the consequences of doing so) and display a level of self-awareness not found in most rap.

"Schizo superscript scan the voice imprint only I can hear you
Deserted mansion in my head half-lidded lanterns returnin'
Sclera scarlet as wall of virgin bombed by flask of bourbon
Can't be certain
Your intercom I'm fingering, you don't wanna but you buzz me in"

of all the lyricals mc ride has written, you pick this one?

I appreciate when rappers put serious work into their lyrics but I never really equate any music lyrics to the same level as literature. Doesn't mean it's not fun though.

And I hope y'all know lil ugly mane has better releases than just mista thug isolation.

This. Kool Keith is ill as hell.

this particular guy did it ironically. listen to how demented he sounds here

youtube.com/watch?v=GT3tRaaOhHc

kind of, the biggest rap fans I know watch videos of rappers bragging about smoking weed and having a lot of money, and now their only dream in life is to live in luxury and smoke weed all day.

garb age

Hear ye, hear ye! How dare ye
Go up against the king who do his thing tri-yearly?
They too carefree with their mouths around here
Off with his head, and display it at Town Square
On top a seven-feet spike, make sure it's on tight
In light of when the peasants throw stones with all their might
Skull get smashed for weeks
'Til vulture beaks eats the last meat off the cheeks
Maybe then they'll know the right words to speak
Out loud, at home, in the world, or in the streets

Hip-hop and rap are the shittiest form of art ever existed

Ok dad.

Good point, well made. Now tell me how Elvis's hips are the devil.

The greatest Hip Hop song is Machine Gun Funk.

Its kitsch music.

Lol you think that two stanzas, a chorus, and maybe a bridge is the same as bar after bar of unique content? Kys.

OP has fantastic taste.
I think good kid MAAD city was just as good as tpab, hard for me to give the edge to either. Outkast is way too often overlooked. They have great bars everywhere but there was some transcendent thought and observations mixed in on stankonia that a lot of people missed cuz the hooks were so damn catchy.

What's the Boy in Da Corner of literature?

youtube.com/watch?v=E3eHRrySwPo&index=5

I was thinking the same thing

epic

This, stop cucking yourself musically

>He can't flow
>He thinks it's as simple as Homer
Bruh, this better be bait.

>if you don't like le latest trend ur a le old person who just doesn't get it
Life isn't an 80s high school movie retards

No but neither can you deny that rap is a very dynamic and valuable art form even if you personally do not care for it. I don't care for bebop jazz, mostly, but many artists whom I admire and enjoy enjoy it and draw inspiration from it. Stop being so binary with your thinking.

I'm a big rap fan because I like poetry. I enjoy when words that are put together flows like water. It isn't poetry, but it's the closest musical equivalent. I like to read and reread lyrics and uncover hidden meanings. The problem with rap is the low barrier of entry, since anyone can put together a rhyme on a beat you have to go through a lot of shit to find something good. It's cliche to say but the mainstream rap and hip hop is trash, every one sounds the same because most rappers are looking for the paycheck not pushing the genre forward. Yesterday I was going through the big hip hop playlist on spotify and it was pathetic. Ctrl C Ctrl V

This. Outkast is the goat and no rappers have gotten even close to them
Not an argument faggots

>death grips, lamar or nas even near to gza
OP, pls, this ain't /mu/.

Would be really difficult to separate honest and well made lyrics from exploits (lamar, kanye). I think Liquid Swords is up there, but I don't think someone is ever groing to give a Wu Tang member something that "prestigious".

Nas > GZA > Kendrick > DG

Garbage, not literature.

/mu/ is worse for music. For one, they think trendy music has merit because it's trendy.
Vocabulary is irrelevant you fucking idiot. You realize that words are created, right? You realize that English was a smaller language when Shakespeare was writing, and that he used good words rather than le quirky meme words like thesaurus rappers do, right?
Jazz is also garbage. Neither have value.

Pretty good arguments. If only you niggers on lit could understand how arguments worked.

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>more words = more good
Hip hop fans are subhuman retards

meme

Longest word average is Aesop rock.

>jazz is garbage
>cretin
Dont call something garbage, just because youre a music pleb

Also, rap truly is not poetry, but if intelligent, it can be fun.

>rap truly is not poetry
Wrong

That was back when I was 9
Joey packed a 9
Packistan on every porch was fine
We adapt the crime
Pack a van with 4 guns at a time
With the sliding door
Fuck is up?
Fuck you shootin for if you ain't got the pump?

I know more about music than you.

Jazz is garbage, rap is not intelligent.

Yeah, kendrick is dope. But rap is rap and poetry isnt rap. Poetry doesnt need to rhyme to be poetry or good, rap needs to rhyme to sound good. Messages conveyed are similar, as is with every expression of language. But lets not compare rap and poetry, for the sake of not degrading poetry. A single great poet, i believe, has more inherent value, than most rappers. Rap is just a play on words, that sometimes is "deep". Poetry on the other hand is closer to the purity of real expression, as there is no ulterior motive to it - like music.

"knowing" and "experiencing" are different things, buddy

Who cares what you think? There are people who know even more about music than you and disagree.

I've performed and written more music than you.

It's garbage music, too many chefs spoil the broth and such.
No they don't.

what it must be like to be so arbitrarily convicted and walled in

Wow you're probably two years into a music degree in one specialised form of music and you have led yourself to believe there's only one way of making music which is that singular form.

You can write and perform music, sure, but you don't know a lot about music. You know the craft, not the art.

This

Any half good musician can appreciate most forms of music, but its not forbidden to dislike them

t. Platonist
I've never been to university for music, I was trained privately when I was a kid.
>but you don't know a lot about music. You know the craft, not the art.
According to? Yes, I'm sure the 'art' of music is masturbating on the stage instead of spending the time to create actual beautiful music. Nope, that's just SHIT for dead old white dudes.
Wrong, only bad musicians like rawk and such except for its aesthetic.

>someone who is a professional musician is obliged to like talking over a beat
wew lad

Wrong analogy, but i can see what bothers you. Personally, music is like choosing a particular type(s) of restaurant employing a chef that suits your tastes

haha my truth and your truth haha

Fucking Reddit Relativists.

Art is about aesthetics, is it not? Of course it can be structured and perceived mathematically, but surely, feelings caused by music need not be justified by some strict form you so obviously value

Life is relative, dipshit

>spending the time to create actual beautiful music

I can't imagine what it's like to be cucked by my own lack of intelligence. 'Actual beauty' isn't qualified because you associate it specifically with the music you were trained in. What a joke.

You know what music is also used for, other than some poorly defined idea of 'beauty'? Dancing. I'm not judging 'art music' for not being able to dance to it, and I don't see the point in judging dance music for not being able to sit down and appreciate it's 'beauty'.

But like whoa dude music is so mathematical!

>Everything I don't like is masturbation
>If you disagree with me you hate white people

I hope your music has more integrity than your arguments.

No.
No, I'm right and everybody else is wrong. Reddit Relativism is what happens when post-modernism meets humanism.
t. redditor that can't read.

btw 'art music' is often dance music too. Especially modern 'art music'.

>'Actual beauty' isn't qualified because you associate it specifically with the music you were trained in.
I was trained in baroque piano; I don't listen to baroque piano.

Ok, live long and prosper.

Lets go ahead and ignore the premise that life and the whole universe is not uncertain at every step.
Unless youre religious, then you can forget we even conversed

Unironically your opinions are more Reddit than mine and you are incapable of defending them.

R.a.p. literally stands for rhythm and poetry. Rap is poetry and poetry is rap. Hip hop is an urban culture that incorporates poetry as one form of expression. Really the aesthetic of the movement isn't rap it's hip hop and rap is the hip hop word for poetry.

I'm really glad you told me that.

>FUCKING CHRISTIAN WHITE MALES REE
Why would I defend myself when I'm right? Fuck off, Platonist.

It CALLED something so thats what it is!!!!

Why would white people defend their own countries when they are right?

>classical music can't be danced to
That's completely false. Mozart and Bach wrote with human movement in mind, just not the catchy primitive ape-like dancing of nigger music.

Yes that's usually how naming goes. For instance you were born and your mother named you shit head, therefore you are shit head.

I dont see it as such, although i can accept it a lesser cultures form of poetry. I do enjoy some hiphop artists, but i dont regard them as poets, just musicians.