/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

>most despised
How dare you! I'm hated more! :^)

did it bother anyone that in almost every paragraph in this book there are italicized words and phrases ? What the fuck is Watts' problem ?not like the prose and the books content are even remotely complex to require this "stressing" effect.

yup, this one is worse

execute all chartfags

Foundation is really more about the very good plot and themes then about characters. Asimov writes in a very straightforward, scientific way.

Men are dumb

Don't let Kevin get you down honey.

Someone should merge all the charts into an eldritch abomination to shut them up.

For Mieville do I start with The City & The City or Perdido Street Station?

I only read PSS but it was a clusterfuck. So many ideas and things and so little coherence, it was like watching a glass overflow.

I still liked it.

The City & The City or Embassytown would be fine. I'm not the biggest fan of Perdido Street Station but I do recommend that you read The Scar, it's pretty gud.

Shaeönanra literally did nothing wrong.

Reminder that Sanderson is shit.

I think i posted in the old thread by mistake so ill just ask here. Anyone read The 100 books? are they good for YA shit

What's some really heartbreaking story?

My diary desü

Uhh, I don't know. Prince of Nothing is a downer, might qualify.

Hero vs Heroine

Go.

Gray Moon over China.

If by nothing you mean everything then you'd be correct

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youtube.com/watch?v=fgOnp4z6AHA

What Are we Reading Sffg?

Getting the Last two Bakkers before unholy consult.

>spend two thousand years failing to notice there is strong AI in your ansible network
>finally find another sentient race, try not to mess it up by sending a bunch of Brazilians to their planet and telling them not to anthropologist too hard
>react to a tiny colony going rogue by sending an Exterminatus fleet
>lose it to aforementioned AI
>get it back only because said AI is lonely and suicidal
>lose again to a teleporting incarnate tulpa and his underage Chinese girlfriend
Why is Starways Congress so incompetent?

Have you read the Last Hero?
Usually overlooked because it's a special one, and it really wraps up the entire first half of Discworld in a very satisfying way.
Best one to end with, Pratchett at his top form.

BotNS 5, just started.

I want to read something fun that doesn't have shit writing. Recommendations?

>obessed with an idea for over a year
>started writing it six months ago
>poured more passion and drive into than any story I've ever written before
>showed it to my parents
>they hated it
>took their input and built on it, re-writing the beginning four times to get it right
>finally build up the courage to show them again
>they still hate it

I don't know what to do anymore /sffg/ I don't know if I can keep writing if this my own parents tell me it's shit

Pratchett
Norrell&Strange
Earthsea

It's possible your parents just have shit taste. What do they usually read?

I'm done. It was really lazy work.

Anyways Rate, Hate, Debate.

Please stop recommending books to unknowing people

The only thing I know my mom reads is murakami. I don't think my dad reads anything for fun

You posted this already

Your other one was better

I know I did but i'm genuinely at a loss. I really care about this story, I'm proud of the intricate plot and my own progress. I genuinely love it but if my own parents, who have always been really supportive, wont even pretend to like it then am I wasting my efforts without the slightest chance in hell of getting published and enjoyed? Even worse, is practicing on something I know is shit making me worse of a writer?

I don't know what your fixation on chasing out authors is from.
>there's already a crit thread
That's outer Veeky Forums. SF and fantasy have had their own ghetto longer than the Internet's been around.
>this is for discussion of books, not discussion of writing
SFF discussion has gone together with aspiring authors for, again, longer than the Internet's been around. This is a tradition that started in the backs of magazines before Hitler invaded France. This was going on when Ray Bradbury was a tiny 18-year-old hanging around Leigh Brackett and Ed Hamilton with his crappy manuscripts as the eternal unpublished. It's not an invasion. This is what SFF is.

Maybe we wouldn't care so much if the author posts were SFF in nature. Sure, your stupid book might be SFF, but we can't tell from the posts here. It's all whinging and generic writing questions.

We aren't interested in generic writing.

We are are here for SFF.

>we
>we
>we
Yes I know.

>implying that distinction has mattered even once to Word-art-kun and the no-fun brigade
Now the user whose parents hate his book is obviously just fishing for sympathy, but we should scorn him on that account, not for trying to write at all.

>he wants me to trigger him

>Don't let Kevin get you down honey.
Is this a spicy new meme?

Like I said it was lazy work. Finding the perfect base photo was hard.
I needed a mother shielding a child, and someone doing home invasion. Those were the best pics google could offer on the subject.

Gotta get reader diversity user. Test a lot of people with different tastes. As the other user said your folks might just have shitty taste in books.

The recurring theme I see is people say it's well written but they don't like it anyway. My parents said they didn't care about the plot, anons on /crit/ said they were too jaded to enjoy it, and some people on /co/'s /sug/ said it was good but the opening I had to re-write a bunch of times was too boring (I was re-writing it becuase it moved too fast initially)

You are so new I can see the reddit jet fumes coming off your posts.

We used to help out authorfags, but they took it too far. And for the most part kept repeating the SAME SHIT we just helped them with. Not even with the additions added.

Also they were taking over the general. It was more about their book that might not be published, and less about published books that we read.

Why do authors listen and change their future books based on what the current 0.1% of the reader base suggests and thinks?

Have you ever considered that individuals who talk about the books they're working on may not be a monolithic group, intent on hijacking the general? And that generals often have de facto themes that rise and fall organically? Or even that some of us might talk about books we're reading and books we're writing in the same thread?

>tries to take over the general with wordart memes
>it's everyone else's fault
>everyone that doesn't agree with me is new and from reddit
I miss the Gaia boogyman.

>Have you ever considered that individuals who talk about the books they're working on may not be a monolithic group, intent on hijacking the general? And that generals often have de facto themes that rise and fall organically? Or even that some of us might talk about books we're reading and books we're writing in the same thread?
Have you ever considered that individuals who talk about the books they're working on attract other individuals who want the same thus forming a group that hijacks the general? And that generals often have themes that are listed in the OP? Or even that some of us might want to talk about books we're reading in this thread?

Then do it. Just do it. Hide posts from authors, hide posts from littlegirl and womeme, and just post your books. And if there are three posts visible in the thread so be it, you're not missing it, because this website is free.

Seriously, do you even read? Or do you just camp here all day waiting for someone to make a party foul?

t. just finished a reread of OSC quadrology and ready to go back to Wellman-user

>because this website is free.
The website may be free, but your freedums ain't.

We shilled this thread until it was self sustaining so we could talk about sff books we read. Not for you to post books that only you read (in your head) and we might never read.

Shill your own general. Fucking jihad thread hijackers.

Because they feel the most vocal part of their fanbase is the majority. They want to sell more books.
Kim Harrison fucked herself over because of this. People not buying her books now.

Why is PKD so enthralling? Everything he writes is readable!

>we

>hide posts from littlegirl and womeme
What do random shitposters have to do with this? I just ignore them.
>Seriously, do you even read? Or do you just camp here all day waiting for someone to make a party foul?
Shit, you got me... I need to get a real life.
No, I've only complained about this particular outrage (and yes, engaged in some therapeutic sarcasm).
Have a nice day :3

I read Time Out of Joint years ago and hated it. Just finished one of his shorts and thinking I should give him another chance.

>he doesn't know I was making memes for this general from the beginning
>so new he tries to prove he is old by using the gaia meme
>wordart memes
>on a fucking literature board
>have a fucking problem with our chosen medium
>still denies he's comes from reddit for our memes

What book you recently read user?

I loved Time Out of Joint. You must have bad tastes.

>Fucking jihad thread hijackers.
Hmm. I could see a macro coming out of this.
Thanks.

post your favorite fan art from your favorite sffg book. Let's see whether you're patrician or pleb.

Plural is we user. Anything more than it's self is a group and believe it or not, more than one person wants your aspiring ass to get.

Oh look it's the tastes police.

>he doesn't know I was making memes for this general from the beginning
You absolutely weren't.

>more than one person wants your aspiring ass to get.
Likewise. I don't even post about writing advice. I can take people discussing things I don't like. I am willing to burn the thread down to keep people like you out.

>You must have bad tastes.
I've learned to live with it.

Do you know how pleb you were going, user?

What is it about xianxia's that make them so damn interesting?

I recently discovered this genre from an user and I've been reading whatever I can get my hands on.

Just finished Coiling Dragon and Stellar Transformations. I liked Coiling Dragon a bit more.

I started I Shall Seal the Heavens which I feel is way better than Coiling Dragon and Stellar Transformations.

I wonder if this is just a phase.

>You absolutely weren't.
I made the gri meme

> I am willing to burn the thread down to keep people like you out
Enjoy your ban, you just admitted you have no intention of discussing shit and your only here to disrupt shit.

About penis to vagina in a "tfw kissless virgin" lane?

Any fantasy books where the manlet,not the Chad protagonist, who wins the girl at the end?

C'mon senpai. Fantasy has to be somewhat grounded in reality.

Plenty . But it's usually him taking left overs. The girl "finally" realises that manlet loves her for who she is, and chad just wanted to use her.

Done change the fact that she got deep dicked by chad and went back for multiple seconds.

WHY DID YOU REMIND ME
REMOVE ALL CHADS

>tfw 6'1 and decently looking, but socially retarded
kill me, familam. it aint all milk and cookies being a lanklet chad

Where did you get those correlations from?

dont remember. probably /cuckpol/, /nupol/, /leftypol/, or /liberty/

Started reading The Sword of Truth series yesterday.
It's been pretty bad from the start, but not bad enough to make me put the book down until I reached the Mord Sith part.
It's just too boring, I can't take it anymore.

The way I see it, there are two types of shitty writers.
One, the author isn't a good enough writer to communicate his story effectively - and as the series goes on, he improves and so the story improves.
Two, the author is just bad at writing stories, and no amount of practice will change that.

So I'm wondering which one of those this is.
Is it worth wading through this unreadable garbage for some eventual payoff, or am I just wasting my time?

I just want another long series like Wheel or Malazan where the characters aren't blatantly retarded. Is that too much to ask?

>tfw 5'6" and decently looking but still 5'6"
at least theres hope for you

>Enjoy your ban
It must really chafe submitting your janitor application over and over and not getting it.

What happened with her?

I read one and a half of those. Maybe eventually the story becomes worthwhile but after one and a half it struck me how shallow the books were and I stopped. The payoff of the first book had definitely not been worth the trouble, is how I felt.

/sffg/, how can I make a series of eldritch location subway tunnels that partially overlap with different universes and are inhabited by sentient rats visually interesting?

I was thinking of taking inspiration from the lowline park, steam tunnels, Lost World and that one art installation on the (R) line that you can only see brief flashes of through the windows near where manhattan and brooklyn meet (does anyone know the name of that?), But that just isn't enough for me. It want it to be something different.

Maybe I can do something with the statues in the 14th street station? Or maybe a video game dungeon

On 4chins since 2007. Never submitted a janitor application.

Read metro 2033. Then come back to us.

She followed a tumblresque vocal minority of her fanbase that was obsessed with maritime activities. Rewrote how the story was going to end to match their wishes.

Story went to shit, only the boat lovers were happy, and a lot of people dropped her after that, myself included. She done fucked up. I used to shill her books to everyone, now I'm shamed.

This proves my point. Female authors create great stories and world until their vaginas start to itch. Then it's chaos and confusion.

>tfw dinos extinct
>tfw reviewfags expelled
>tfw swimming in sea of filth and Kevin
Veeky Forums I guess

>She only did a few spells
>Nothing said about her practicing anything
>Suddenly she's as powerful as Esra if not more

hehhehehe
captcha: toilets grill

Yes. If you like history then you'll probably like Foundation. It was written like a multi-volume history book.

Dripping water, abandoned spurs/train cars, rusted maintenance catwalks, ladders to somewhere, bricked up dead ends, foul moss/mildew.

I wouldn't call it "heartbreaking" exactly but it might be the only science fiction book I've read where I found myself caring more about the characters than the story and concepts. And imo it's Clarke's best work.

I want it to be fantastic, not dilapidated

Transparent underwater tunnels, bridged over chasms, double decker tunnels, corkscrews, localized gravity changes, hidden ratman shrines, piles of ratman debris, ratman corpses, cave paintings depicting mutant ratmen, lair of the ratmen, ratman tunnels.

The books get worse as you go on. You have the protag Richard Rahl who gets shiton for most of every book, but then discovers a new power that allows him to do whatever he needed to do. The further you go, the more you get to see the evils of socialism brutally forced into the plot, for no reason other than Goodkind is a proponent of Ayn Rand.

Does anybody know of any good cosmic, metaphysics-related stories? I want to just to trip out for a few hours.

Any love for David Brin here?

Start a new thread then.