I am going to purchase my first philosophy book tomorrow on a trip to Barnes and Noble and am curious as to what might be ideal to buy.
I am curious about Nietzsche but I've been told I need to start with Greeks. I might get a book of both. Could someone recommend some books to get me started?
Isaiah White
Go to a used book store and buy the complete works of Plato.
Nathan Collins
>starting with a philologist >starting with the guy who invented the genealogical method
Literally the dumbest thing you could do. I don't usually recommend this, but... just start with the fucking Greeks. If you don't come into Nietzsche without at least some historical context you're just going to miss all the nuance and come out an ego-inflated edgelord.
Noah Ortiz
used bookstore or kys, up2u what is the best to start with?
David Thompson
>poorfags getting triggered by people with means to buy non-used books >tfw the board is full of coffee-serving majors and teenagers
Anthony Turner
If you're curious about Nietzsche you need to start with the greeks, and do it thoroughly. You don't need to read any a.d. philosophers for Nietzsche.
Aaron Brooks
I'm against corporatism not new books
Zachary Mitchell
Pre-socratics
Lucas Jenkins
This board is 18+, my lad.
Sebastian Ortiz
Durant - Story of Philosophy
Dont read any philosophers until you understand the context of what they're saying. It's like getting into music for the first time and putting on a random classical piece with no information/context. You're going to hate it and not have any idea what you're supposed to be listening for.
Adrian Reyes
I may be 15 but my mind is 67
Nathaniel Gomez
Decrepit and sclerotic?
Logan Allen
Jesus christ the memes
Philosophy isn't this holy grail of unreachable knowledge until you surpass neckbeard level and hit basement goblin level. Read some shit that interests you. A lot of nietzsche is easy to follow, some of the greeks are actually interesting. No you don't have to dwell in a cave for five years to read the full works of aquinas secondary translated from chinese to reach enlightenment.
Pick up something interesting and read.
Jose Nelson
I doubt I'd come out ego inflated. I don't have much of one
Logan Turner
Yeah this guy is kind of right. If you're going to read Nietzsche without reading Hegel, and I would never do that anyway trust me Kierkegaard is a better existentialist, then read Beyond Good and Evil.
I'm telling you though, while Nietzsche aphorisms are sententious, I would like to believe that overall Kierkegaard's philosophy not only requires more thought, but is more rewarding to the individual.
Ethan Roberts
Mods!
Nathan Murphy
Thanks for the suggestion
Nathan Sanders
Don't listen to these guys.
When it comes to the Greeks, I always had the feeling that Aristotle is quite hard to handle. Plato is fine, you could get one of the texts that are significant-yet-readable, like Gorgias or Meno or maybe Phaedo (the most 'important' among these, which doesn't mean the most interesting to everyone). The length is usually a good criteria with Plato : the longer, the harder.
Beyond Good and Evil is cool too.
Xavier Hernandez
THIS
the most troublesome meme on this board is the idea that you MUST follow a lit/philosophy flowchart before you can dare tackle anything outside of that
putting the greatest works of western thought and literary achievement into a sequential reading list to be grinded away at like the training levels of an RPG is not how it should be experienced
yes, im talking about "start with the greeks"
i guess it's comforting to believe that hipster brownie points and higher consciousness are easily achieved following a quantifiable, pre-outlined path
Oliver Russell
As someone who has attempted to self study philosophy before taking classes in it, start with Plato.
Jose Lewis
Your face is b&
Parker Ortiz
There is literally no way to understand Kant, Hegel or Heidegger without reading at least a handful of their predecessors. Everything that came after those guys (Nietzsche, Sartre, etc) is a response to them. If you just pick up Being and Nothingness or Thus Spake Zarathustra (etc. etc.) you will waste time and understand nothing.
If by "philosophy" you just mean self-contained feel-good wit like Meditations then that's fine, you can tread water forever. But learning philosophy as a subject requires thought and education which means understanding at least some of what a writer is responding to. Doesn't mean you have to read everything ever written in sequential order but you need a grounding in each period's major thought process to understand what came after.
Julian Rodriguez
The Art of the Deal - President Donald J. Trump
John Hall
Start with the Greeks. If it's philosophy you're interested in try The First Philosophers: The Presocratics and Sophists by Robin A.H. Waterfield. I'd suggest following one of the meme charts though even if it's just Homer and the basics.
Cameron Martinez
>Implying you can understand Plato without the presocratics >Implying you can understand Aristotle without Plato >Implying you can understand Aquinas without Aristotle >Implying you can understand Leibniz without Descartes >Implying you can understand Hume without Locke >Implying you can understand Kant without >Implying you can understand literally any philosopher after Kant without Kant
Cameron Stewart
You want the Pre-Socratics, especially Heraclitus. (Be warned: Penguin's latest edition of Heraclitus, while it does contain the original Greek, has a poetic translation, which is much different to a scholarly translation. Unless you want to learn Greek, try to get an Oxford Classics edition or other translation with good notes and attached scholarship).
Nietzsche can be read on his own, but he is rife with allusions and you really will get more out of it for having read the Greeks. For instance, within the first few pages of Zarathustra (who's name itself is a reference to Zoroastrianism) you'll run into a figure holding a lamp. This is reference to Diogenes the cynic, but without learning about the PreSocratics and then the Athenians, you could just assume this is some guy with a lamp or afraid of grues.
I'd recommend starting with Genealogy of Morals or Beyond Good and Evil if you want to go in cold. The PreSocratics really are fun to learn about though, so it's not a chore like getting through Aristotle's Ethics.
If you want a general overview of philosophy Durant's is very good, but you can also get away with buying Sophie's World, and reading only the parts in Arial font if you don't want to follow the story in which the philosophy lessons are set.
Grayson Butler
>I am going to purchase my first philosophy book tomorrow on a trip to Barnes and Noble and am curious as to what might be ideal to buy.
Plato. Easy to understand compared to others, engaging compared to others, arguably the first, and essential to understanding later philosophers.
There are many collections but you should look for collections that contain Euthyphro, Meno, Euthydemus, Theaetetus, and Republic.
Ideal is The Complete Works of Plato since it is annoying to have multiple copies of the same dialogue in multiple books.
Before doing this you should wiki the branches of philosophy and see if anything peaks your interest. Maybe you really dig Logic and would prefer a textbook on logic instead of a book by Plato.
If you have to buy Nietzsche buy The Genealogy of Morals, NOT Beyond Good and Evil, or anything else. Genealogy is focused and tight, making it much easier to understand since one thing is continuously worked on. BG&E are many aphorisms put together, making it far more difficult to understand.